Official Energy and Mirage Subwoofer Owners Thread - Page 3

Should I be concerned that the EW-100 has a Frequency Response of 29Hz-120Hz ± 3dB with the Take Classic?

Ok, thanks for yours, and all the other, replies.

My room is 12 x 12. When I performed Audessey, it set some of the existing BA speakers higher than 120. I think I'd feel safer going with the ESW - C8, that goes up to 150.
Edited by dsskid - 2/11/13 at 4:14am

When I ran audyssey with the BA speakers and sub, it set the crossovers at:

Front. - 150Hz
Center - 120hz
Surround -110Hz

Now mind you, the fronts and rears are identical speakers, spec'd out at:

*Fronts
- Nominal Impedance: 8 ohms
- Frequency Response: 120 Hz - 20 kHz
- Dimensions (WxHxD): 4 3/8" x 7 3/8" x 4 11/16"
- Weight : 2.5 lbs/each

* Center Speaker
- Nominal Impedance: 8 ohms
- Frequency Response: 120 Hz - 20 kHz
- Dimensions (WxHxD): 12 5/8" x 5 11/16" x 3 3/4"

This is why I'm leering about subs that only go up to 120Hz

I spoke to the retailer, and they have a 30 day return policy, so I may give it a test drive.

Just wondering if you ended up testing this setup out, and if so what did you think? I am still waiting for my EW-100 to ship from Amazon, and wavering between it and the BIC F12. I had the same concern as well regarding the upper limit for the EW-100, however I heard reports that the BIC F12 doesn't play well above 90-100Hz, so not sure about that one either.

EDIT: I should clarify, I also have the Energy Take Classic 5.0. Looking for something to provide clear-ish bass, and blend in well with the takes at this price point.
Edited by yerbamate - 2/10/13 at 2:05am

I wound up not keeping the take classics. I compared the take classics to my Boston acoustics, after running auddessey, for each ,and setting crossovers to 120. Although the Take Classics had nice high notes, they seemed less "deep" than the BA speakers.

Energys EW-100 was a nice upgrade to the BA sub, but I don't think it had any place to go but up. The BA sub only rated down to 50 Hz, and sounded boomy. The Energy sub is rate down to 29hz, and sounded a lot cleaner, so it is a welcomed addition to my room. At $149, it sounds very good.

Please keep in mind that my room is only roughly 12x12, and the other side of the room is the living room, so I felt the BIC, while highly rated, would been overpowering for the room. Yes, I could have turned the gain down, but it's footprint was also much larger, and as I said earlier, it's a small room, and space is limited. If I had a bigger room, I would given the BIC a shot for $180.

Considering going for the Energy ESW-M8 sub, prices are just too tempting on Amazon ($299.00).

As mentioned in a previous post this sub will be used in a somewhat simplistic 2ch system consisting of:
(a) Scientific Atlanta, Explorer SA-8300HD digital receiver/cable-box
(b) Oppo BDP-93 universal player
(c) NAD C162 stereo pre-amp
(d) NAD C272 stereo amp (150W X 2)
(e) Samsung 32in LED TV
(f) HDMI switcher

I have:
SA8300HD 2ch OUT's --> NAD C162 Video INP's
Oppo BDP-93 FL/FR 2ch OUT's --> NAD C162 CD INP's
Oppo BDP-93 & SA8300HD HDMI OUT's --> HDMI switcher INP's
HDMI switcher OUT --> Samsung 32in LED TV

I've been operating this set-up now for a month or so. I can watch TV broadcast with or without amplified stereo sound (from the NAD/Energy system).

Using HDMI switcher I can watch video's, or listen to music (CD's, SACD's, DVD-A's) from the Oppo BDP-93. Also can stream music or image files from the Oppo BDP-93. Great versatility.

Sound is pretty good considering V-Mini's are closely mounted to rear wall's, side-wall's and ceiling boundaries (maybe withing 1in), I'm getting a little reverberation. I may need to insert foam plugs? Soundstage and imaging are really nice. V-Mini's are nicely transparent. Good mid-range listening to vocals. High's, while decent, are still slightly "shrilly", really . Bass, while not deep (of course), is satisfactory

However I can use some "real" bass. I'm trying to confirm proper connection configuration integrating the ESW-M8 with the NAD C162/C272 set-up. The C162 pre-amp has no sub OUT, only the normal 2ch stereo pre-OUT's (2 sets). I have attatched the C162 rear diagram.

So I figured I would use two RCA splitters. One interconnect from each C162 2ch pre-OUT would connect to a single RCA splitter, left & right respectively. From each RCA splitter, a second interconnect (one each) would connect to ESW-M8 LINE IN Left & Right, respectively. From each RCA splitter, a third interconnect (one each) would connect to the C272 INP's, left & right respectively.

I know all this sounds confusing, but I think I'm configuring things properly?




Edited by WestCoastD - 2/14/13 at 10:14am

I found a Mirage Omni S12 for $300 on CL. Would you pay $300 for it or that's too much?

The Mirage S12 is probably better than a Hsu VTF2 running in 25Hz mode in output and sound capability, It compared favourably to the earlier versions of the VTF3.

but how old is it? The S12 came out around 2005 I think.

I'm always leary of buying an old sub like that just because it's the amp that will go first, and given that Klipsch gutted out Energy/Mirage after they took over, I wonder if any replacement amps are very easy to get.

My S12 is still working fine, and the sub always sounded great (and still holds it own against my newer SVS subs), but I wouldn't pay a lot for a old sub.

That said $300 is absolutely a good price given the performance level. The S12 doesn't hit 20hz hard like some of the big ID subs but it is capable of a ton of clean output from 25hz on up.

Its less than 2 years old according to the seller and he bought it brand new, my $50 S12 is still going strong though. Parts will be hard to get if it fails but all i can see on eBay are a few s8s and older mirage subs but that's it. S12s don't come up that often on eBay or CL but i'll pick this one up and finally have dual S12s. I'll offer him $200 and go from there.
Many thanks for the feedback and i'll let you guys know when i get it.


I already own one S12 but paid $50 for it last year when some lady listed it on CL. Apparently cleaning out her hubby's stuff and had no idea what she had on her hands. I'll get this one incase i never see one on sale again. Thank you Batpig!!

$50!! What a deal!!

Look at this way -- even at full $300 list price, you will have *actually* only paid $175 each

Lol I was in shock too but she was really nice, the sub came with 5 Kenwood speakers.
I doubt the sale hurt since they had a huge beautiful home.
$175 isn't bad but with the damn Sequestor I shouldn't be spending.