Originally Posted by BeeMan458
Originally Posted by bfreedma
You may be new to this forum, but the discussion at hand is not. Go do your own research if you feel the need to prove the obvious to yourself - a quick search of this forum should suffice. Nearly Identical internal design, identical feature sets, made on the same factory lines. Connect the same internals to "extra" connectors on the back of the unit and the Denon becomes a Marantz.
The link you posted in an attempt to support your position certainly didn't help, though interestingly, you chose to ignore that when responding.
I understand, you can't back up your claims. It's okay and yes, in the context of my post, the link clearly supported my position as conveniently, you intentionally took my comments out of context; it's called spin.
My recent appearance to the forum doesn't change the facts regarding Marantz and Denon having totally separate design teams (your comment is unsubstantiated and I took the time to give Marantz a call to find out) and comparably priced Marantz/Denon units, when backs are compared, the Marantz units have more desirable features which proves a difference in internal design. Yes, that's a good reason to go with Marantz over Denon and in general, it's accepted that Marantz units have comparatively more attractive veneer styling. So, for the price, yes, the Marantz unit is the better deal of the two names and yes there are many differences between comparable units.
As far as the rumor regarding Marantz having better parts internally, I have yet to be able to sufficiently vet that rumor as it seems, short of personally opening up a unit, I'm hosed. In my case, I'm not an EE so I don't have a clue what I'm looking at if I did break my unit open.
What sounds like a sensible business development model that a holding company would put in place for two brands which have both been in the red?
Fund Independant design teams for both Denon and Marantz who developed two completely separate lines of AVR's that just happen to be feature for feature clones of each other by incredible coincidence?
A holding company designs a single line of AVR's which are changed cosmetically and are feature for feature clones of each other?
What do you think that holding company bleeding cash did?
What "more desirable features" have you identified in the Marantz that would validate a difference in the platform? It's far less expensive to develop a single platform and differentiate them by simply not wiring them to inputs than it is to have distinct processor design.
But since logic won't be enough and you clearly didn't search AVS, here's a post with pictures of both the SR7005 and the 3311 showing the guts.http://www.avsforum.com/t/1325243/denon-2011-lineup/270#post_20308377
Amazingly, the independent design teams from Denon and Marantz also positioned the boards and components in the exact same locations. Used the exact same ribbon cables run identically and used the same heat sinks too amongst the many obvious identical design elements....Edited by bfreedma - 8/16/12 at 8:46pm