OFFICIAL THREAD SONY VPL-HW50ES new SXRD Projector IFA BERLIN 2012 - Page 10

Originally Posted by shadow39 

When comparing the two, you can definitely see a difference in black levels, it's not huge but you can see that it's better than the HW30.

Originally Posted by cbaseuser 

I'm assuming this is because the native contrast is better and not just additional iris tricks? A great test would be to turn of auto iris, match let's say 90 ire brightness, and then compare 0 ire. Hopefully the static black of the HW50 is still noticeably better .

Originally Posted by shadow39 

Just wanted to report a quick fix if you have the buzzing sound when in 3D mode on the HW50, I have found the source of the buzz and its coming from the integrated 3D sensor on the projector. Since I have the HW30 as well here is a quick fix, take the external sensor that comes with the HW30 and plug it into the HW50 and that seems to bypass the sensor on the HW50 and eliminates the buzzing. It's a band aid approach but does show a faulty sensor is the problem on the HW50. I have recorded the noise but not sure how to attach it to the post so if someone could let me know I can add that as well. I can also now report this to Sony and hopefully they can find a fix a lot quicker so I hope this helps everyone who has a HW50.

Originally Posted by tehotaone 

Guys here is the sound of the HW50 buzzing...
I will say given how load the fans are in the recording this noise is probably a bit exaggerated, although if using the emitter eliminates it I may go that route.
It is strange to thing the that the emitter is doing this and quite possibly is a defect.
Here is the link:
http://soundcloud.com/tj-demonte/hw50-buzzing

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

Does the internal sensor still work when you have the external sensor plugged in?

Originally Posted by shadow39 

Yes that's the sensor, TMR PJ1 3D emitter, I was working with very little sleep so forgot to say the model number so thanks for adding the link and all, I also recorded the buzzing on my iPhone 5 and sent it to tehotaone and he says he will provide a link so anyone can hear it.

Originally Posted by shadow39 


Well hopefully your doesn't have this problem, it sucks cause convergence is excellent as well as focus across the whole screen is great too. Call me crazy but I'm a little disappointed in the brightness as it doesn't seem much brighter than my HW30 and I'm using a 1.7 gain screen.

As far as the buzzing sound you can detect it from over 10 feet away so it's something that shouldn't be there.

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

I watched the first 10 minutes of Underworld Evolution on the HW50 last night, the iris can't do much in these scenes. On my 2.8HP screen, the black floor is definitely improved over the HW30. It's not day/night, but a noticeable improvement and closer in appearance to the Epson 5010 now (which is a good thing). No one is going to mistake it for the JVC RS55 @ -13 on the iris, but overall, a nice welcome improvement over the HW30.
With the RC processing turned off, the HW50 'natural' sharpness appears very similar to the HW30. With it turned in (and resolution set to minimum), it has a great overall effect of increasing the perceived sharpness of the image. It's also noticeably brighter than the HW30 in 2D and 3D.
After ~6 hours of first impressions last night, I think it's a nice upgrade to the HW30. They took a solid overall projector and added some great features at the same price point.

Originally Posted by cbaseuser 

Thanks for the impressions.

One more question....does RC (reality creation I'm assuming) have anything to do with frame interpolation/soap opera/etc.., or is it strictly for perceived resolution? And, in this mode, does input lag take a hit? I'm a big gamer, and the short while I had the HW30, the input lag was very good/low. I'm thinking about the HW50 now. The black level of the 30 was just about the only thing I wasn't impressed with. Once again, this is without engaging the iris - that's just how I roll .

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

from what I can tell, it's only for increasing the sharpness and doesn't seem related to the CFI. It's a good question though. When I get my PC that I use for lag testing setup (analog CRT monitor, etc), I'll try all the various new modes to see if it has any impact to the lag time. It will take me a few days to get this setup since I have a bunch of other tests I'm currently working on.

Originally Posted by Toknowshita 

Pretty much what most pre-release 'buzz' amounts to... Expectations become too much. It just shows that the 30 was still a capable unit. A lot of the chatter about the much improved design is coming from those are directly involved in the sales of the units. That doesn't mean I think the HW50 is a bad unit. If you recently purchased a HW30 like I did within the last year, I would caution against upgrading so soon unless you can sell the 30 for a decent price. I just watched Madagascar 3 - 3D yesterday with my boys and I have to say in my dedicated theater room it was better than the 3D presentation we saw over the summer at the local megaplex.

Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 

I posted this earlier today in the other two Sony threads:
Okay, here is the scoop on the buzzing. The noise is caused by the vibrating of two capacitors. There are two solutions. You can reduce the IR output strength in the service mode or use an external IR emitter. Sony will furnish an external IR emitter to those that have this issue once Sony verifies the serial number on your projector. Not all units will have this problem and that is why Sony will need to verify the serial number. Customers that have purchased from us that have this issue, please get in touch with us.

Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 

I posted this earlier today in the other two Sony threads:
Okay, here is the scoop on the buzzing. The noise is caused by the vibrating of two capacitors. There are two solutions. You can reduce the IR output strength in the service mode or use an external IR emitter. Sony will furnish an external IR emitter to those that have this issue once Sony verifies the serial number on your projector. Not all units will have this problem and that is why Sony will need to verify the serial number. Customers that have purchased from us that have this issue, please get in touch with us.

Originally Posted by Toknowshita 

I was never very impressed with Magnolias demo room. Again I don't think HW50 is a huge step above the 30. You are basically getting a HW30 that is running the bulb at a higher wattage most likely and the RC feature.
Enjoy the 'buzz' on your new projector

Originally Posted by sarangiman 

Any update from Sony on an actual fix for the buzz in the projector itself?

Originally Posted by blipszyc 

Curious on this myself as my order shipped from the 2nd batch that went to AVS. Should be here on Monday, but won't be able to hook it up until Turkey day perhaps.

Originally Posted by dsm1212 

FWIW I received an external emitter from Sony last night. Have not tried it yet. They sent it no charge in response to my complaint about the buzz.
Unrelated note that might save some of you trouble: I found that this projector is not compatible with Monoprice's Redmere cables. These cables have an active component that improves the transmission signal. They rely on devices really conforming exactly to the HDMI spec. I think Sony got something wrong here because Redmere has really been careful with this standard but you never know. The PJ hangs unresponsive when you switch to an input with this cable on there. As soon as I pull the cable out it starts responding again. I tried two cables and neither worked with 4 different sources but those cables worked fine with another HDTV in my house.
steve

Originally Posted by randman 

I was about to buy the Monoprice redmere cables. Someone also mentioned in Monoprice's review section that they had trouble:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9430&seq=1&format=4#feedback
Was that you who posted that, or someone else?
What cable did you wind up getting (and what length) for your Sony?
I need a 30' HDMI cable. From what I understand, 30' is more than sufficient to handle the current consumer formats (1080p/60, 3D, etc.), but I was hoping to get a redmere cable so if and when 4K becomes prevalent in the future, I won't have to worry about snaking new cables through my ceiling & wall.
So, if redmere doesn't work, I'm thinking of getting a Monoprice 22AWG 30' cable. Those cables are pretty thick though (0.45" or so), so it won't be fun snaking the cables (and I would need port savers). I suppose I can also run 2 CAT6 cables for potential future use (snaking those would be trivial compared to the thick HDMI cable).