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post #211 of 644
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

One minor issue in setup I did stumble into was changing speaker spl test from auto to manual. Stays in auto for some reason and won't let me change it. An thoughts? I must be missing something?

I am responding from my office, but I believe that once you set the spl test to manual, you have to lock it in by pressing the arrow all the way to the left which locks it in. In fact, I had to do this for speaker distances and crossover changes.

On a side note, Tony, I notice you are buying a subwoofer equalizer thats the functional equivalent of my Velodyne SMS-1. I am thinking of connecting it to my SP3, but my question is do I need to use the crossover from the SP3 or the SMS-1?
post #212 of 644
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I am responding from my office, but I believe that once you set the spl test to manual, you have to lock it in by pressing the arrow all the way to the left which locks it in. In fact, I had to do this for speaker distances and crossover changes.

On a side note, Tony, I notice you are buying a subwoofer equalizer thats the functional equivalent of my Velodyne SMS-1. I am thinking of connecting it to my SP3, but my question is do I need to use the crossover from the SP3 or the SMS-1?

Disable the crossover on the SMS1. Use the SP3
post #213 of 644
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...I have an anti-mode, BTW. It does a great job of taming my subs. Of which I just added number three. ..

Damn! :-)
post #214 of 644
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Disable the crossover on the SMS1. Use the SP3

Thanks for the info.
post #215 of 644
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Thank you is it worth it? I don't like to add additional boxes!

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Thank you is it worth it? I don't like to add additional boxes!

If you do not otherwise have EQ for your subs, definitely yes.

post #217 of 644
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View PostIf you do not otherwise have EQ for your subs, definitely yes.

But, if I use the EQ from the SSP-800?

post #218 of 644
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But, if I use the EQ from the SSP-800?

Since this is an SP3 thread, my response was based on the assumption of the Bryston.  With the SSP-800, it would depend on whether the filter set in it was sufficient to your particular situation.

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Damn! :-)

I built all my own speakers, including two down firing 10 inchers. Very "musical", but not really deep. So I added an SVS SB13 ultra.

Now we're talkin' .....
post #220 of 644
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I, for one, am not having problems with hand shakes. The manual is vague, but you can download a revised manual on Bryston's site. As far as setup quirks, my initial thought was that setup was challenging, but, I later figured everthing out. For one, I figured out that you need to set the crossover frequency, distance, and speaker size for each input you use, and this includes both digital (optical and coaxial) and HDMI. You can only use a total combination of 4 optical or coaxial inputs, but 8 HDMI inputs. If you want to play stereo you hit the stereo button and when you want to go back to multichannel you hit stereo again. If you want to use your analog balanvce input, you hit the balance 1 or 2 input. If you want to bypass the sub on balance, hit the 2 channel button. Its really quite logical, and the beauty of the unit is once configured, you don't have to touch it again.

gbaby:

I don't think you need to set speaker distances etc, differently for each input. At least, I never did.

After reading your post, I went back and checked , and they're set the same on all the inputs I use--unless I'm doing something wrong? I simply entered the input combination--i.e. bal1 plus digital for the BDP-1 --and went into the setup menu and checked them. They were all the same as I had set them the last time I went in there, on whatever input I was on at the time.

If there is a way to set them individually, I don't know what it is, and don't need it in my situstion.


Am I missing something?...Thanks.
post #221 of 644
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gbaby:

I don't think you need to set speaker distances etc, differently for each input. At least, I never did.

After reading your post, I went back and checked , and they're set the same on all the inputs I use--unless I'm doing something wrong? I simply entered the input combination--i.e. bal1 plus digital for the BDP-1 --and went into the setup menu and checked them. They were all the same as I had set them the last time I went in there, on whatever input I was on at the time.

If there is a way to set them individually, I don't know what it is, and don't need it in my situstion.


Am I missing something?...Thanks.

Dave, I just checked my unit, and yes, speaker distances, level, etc. had to be set for each input, HDMI, and digital. I'm glad you inquired as a few of mine were not set. Make sure you lock in the settings by pressing the arrow button all the way to the let until you see the Bryston logo.
post #222 of 644
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Dave, I just checked my unit, and yes, speaker distances, level, etc. had to be set for each input, HDMI, and digital. I'm glad you inquired as a few of mine were not set. Make sure you lock in the settings by pressing the arrow button all the way to the let until you see the Bryston logo.

Whaaa? confused.gif
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So guys... I've spent some time with the SP3. I will say it's an awesome sounding processor. Especially with music (stereo and multichannel). However, for me it's just too basic in terms of the features I need in a processor. Specifically, room correction. I guess I never realized how much my room really needed it.

That said, if anyone has any interest, feel free to PM me.
post #224 of 644
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

So guys... I've spent some time with the SP3. I will say it's an awesome sounding processor. Especially with music (stereo and multichannel). However, for me it's just too basic in terms of the features I need in a processor. Specifically, room correction. I guess I never realized how much my room really needed it.

That said, if anyone has any interest, feel free to PM me.

So what will you try next? Didn't you have a Marantz AV8801 prior to the SP3?
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So what will you try next? Didn't you have a Marantz AV8801 prior to the SP3?

If I can get a successful audition, the Datasat is a consideration. If that falls through, possibly the ADA. If not, I may consider the Marantz 8801 again until something else comes along in the next few months to a year.
post #226 of 644
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Dave, I just checked my unit, and yes, speaker distances, level, etc. had to be set for each input, HDMI, and digital. I'm glad you inquired as a few of mine were not set. Make sure you lock in the settings by pressing the arrow button all the way to the let until you see the Bryston logo.

Very strange--I only set mine once, and every input I checked had the same settings. I did press out of the menu with the left arrow key.

I'll investigate further and report back....
post #227 of 644
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If I can get a successful audition, the Datasat is a consideration. If that falls through, possibly the ADA. If not, I may consider the Marantz 8801 again until something else comes along in the next few months to a year.

I bought the AV8801, but, will soon be returning it to put my old Lexicon MC-12Bv5 with room EQ back into my system.
post #228 of 644
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So guys... I've spent some time with the SP3. I will say it's an awesome sounding processor. Especially with music (stereo and multichannel). However, for me it's just too basic in terms of the features I need in a processor. Specifically, room correction. I guess I never realized how much my room really needed it.

That said, if anyone has any interest, feel free to PM me.

Tony, I regret that you find the SP3 lacking for your setup. I feel somewhat responsible due to my excitement expressed on this forum. While I am still enjoying my unit, I have connected the SMS-1, but I am having problems as it seems to stop its equalization past 30 to 40hz. I took a photo of the graph, I just don't know how to post it. In any event, I am assuming your sub equalizer did not work for you.
post #229 of 644
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

So guys... I've spent some time with the SP3. I will say it's an awesome sounding processor. Especially with music (stereo and multichannel). However, for me it's just too basic in terms of the features I need in a processor. Specifically, room correction. I guess I never realized how much my room really needed it.

That said, if anyone has any interest, feel free to PM me.
I have heard the SP3 and thought it was very transparent, loved it for two channel with a digital source. If only Onkyo and someone like Bryston would form a joint venture and let Onkyo bring the technology piece and the other bring the DAC implementation with analog out section (I.e. sound), and build in Bryston like reliability - wouldn't that be sweet?
post #230 of 644
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I have heard the SP3 and thought it was very transparent, loved it for two channel with a digital source. If only Onkyo and someone like Bryston would form a joint venture and let Onkyo bring the technology piece and the other bring the DAC implementation with analog out section (I.e. sound), and build in Bryston like reliability - wouldn't that be sweet?

Never happen...All that EQ stuff is totally contrary to what Bryston believes in.

Which is why it's not for everyone. Suits me fine though. I like to keep it simple. More tech = more downtime.
post #231 of 644
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Kal, I recall you reviewing the SMS-1 a while back, and I purchases it, but never knew how to use it. Do you know what freqency I should set its low pass frequency? Do you know what crossover frequency I should set the the SP3? This is as confusing to me as it was i 2005.
post #232 of 644
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Never happen...All that EQ stuff is totally contrary to what Bryston believes in.

Which is why it's not for everyone. Suits me fine though. I like to keep it simple. More tech = more downtime.

I completely agree with you, but I am trying to use a sub equalizer with it just for experimentation. So far, so bad.
post #233 of 644
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Never happen...All that EQ stuff is totally contrary to what Bryston believes in.

Which is why it's not for everyone. Suits me fine though. I like to keep it simple. More tech = more downtime.
I have the DHC80.3 and don't use Audyssey XT32 for music, just never been a fan of DSP for music, and actually don't always turn it on for movies. Except for the feature of accessing my IPod Classic digitally (which is nice), there is nothing "I" would miss if I could swing an SP3. Just too rich after all I spent last year but I am keeping it on my radar and looking for any lower cost options should they ever appear. None to date.
post #234 of 644
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Tony, I regret that you find the SP3 lacking for your setup. I feel somewhat responsible due to my excitement expressed on this forum. While I am still enjoying my unit, I have connected the SMS-1, but I am having problems as it seems to stop its equalization past 30 to 40hz. I took a photo of the graph, I just don't know how to post it. In any event, I am assuming your sub equalizer did not work for you.

Did you disable the crossover point on the SMS. Make sure your firmware is updated on the SMS1. I thought early versions only allowed you to raise the crossover to max (160hz maybe) an update was released shortly there after which allowed to disable the crossover setting.

When posting a message click on the image icon and upload it. It will show on the post or email it to me adidino at live dot com
post #235 of 644
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I completely agree with you, but I am trying to use a sub equalizer with it just for experimentation. So far, so bad.

I do use an anti-mode, and it helps keep the bass a lot tighter, plus it's affordable, and simple. You might give one a try if you can't get the SMS to work.
post #236 of 644
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Kal, I recall you reviewing the SMS-1 a while back, and I purchases it, but never knew how to use it. Do you know what freqency I should set its low pass frequency? Do you know what crossover frequency I should set the the SP3? This is as confusing to me as it was i 2005.

Of course, that depends on the rest of the system.  In general, you want to set the LP filter in the SP3 to manage the bass appropriately for your speakers.  Then, set the LP filter in the SMS-1 as high as possible, just as you would if you were setting it on the sub itself.  (I do not recall what that is.)  

post #237 of 644
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Did you disable the crossover point on the SMS. Make sure your firmware is updated on the SMS1. I thought early versions only allowed you to raise the crossover to max (160hz maybe) an update was released shortly there after which allowed to disable the crossover setting.

When posting a message click on the image icon and upload it. It will show on the post or email it to me adidino at live dot com

The software version I have is 2.1, and you cannot disable its crossover setting.
post #238 of 644
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Of course, that depends on the rest of the system.  In general, you want to set the LP filter in the SP3 to manage the bass appropriately for your speakers.  Then, set the LP filter in the SMS-1 as high as possible, just as you would if you were setting it on the sub itself.  (I do not recall what that is.)  

Kal, my crossover on the SP3 is set at 80Hz and the low pass filter on the SMS-1 was set at 199Hz. It sounded awful, and I never could get the frequency graph to go down past 40Hz. I gave up and disconnected it.
post #239 of 644
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Kal, my crossover on the SP3 is set at 80Hz and the low pass filter on the SMS-1 was set at 199Hz. It sounded awful, and I never could get the frequency graph to go down past 40Hz. I gave up and disconnected it.

???  I am not sure what you mean by " I never could get the frequency graph to go down past 40Hz."  The sweeps start low and ascend.  Was it the sound or the display or the axes?

post #240 of 644
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???  I am not sure what you mean by " I never could get the frequency graph to go down past 40Hz."  The sweeps start low and ascend.  Was it the sound or the display or the axes?

Mine started high and descended. In any event, the bass sounded quite bloated; not tight at all.
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