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post #31 of 564
What Kal meant by phase is if you get one speaker reversed (positive wire on negative terminal and vice versa) then the bass (primarily) will cancel from the two speakers. The rest will need to respond to setup as I have spent time listening to the SP3 but don't own one. mad.gif Did you buy your SP3 locally, they should come over and set it up.
Edited by jima4a - 12/4/12 at 5:14am
post #32 of 564
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I am a little naive for this unit. It is probably something quite simple.

I'm sure it is something simple. Don't worry, I was like you. smile.gif
post #33 of 564
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Front speakers out of phase?



While I would never have guessed that he had a phase issue, its probably the correct diagnosis. redface.gif
post #34 of 564
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As spectacular as the SP3 is, I'm thinking the rest may not be weak links: Kef Blades and JC1s. My guess is full range smile.gif

WOW! His equpment is much better than mine. And, the good thing is that once he properly configures the SP3, he's in for a great sonic experience. smile.gif
post #35 of 564
Yes Jim , they are coming in two days or so. Hopefully they can figure it out.
Looking forward to it Gbaby. I think Bryston assumed that anyone purchasing this unit would have at least a basic understanding of the home audio world. Probably a safe assumption for the most part.
post #36 of 564
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Yes Jim , they are coming in two days or so. Hopefully they can figure it out.
Looking forward to it Gbaby. I think Bryston assumed that anyone purchasing this unit would have at least a basic understanding of the home audio world. Probably a safe assumption for the most part.

You might want to get brave and try it yourself. What it would mean is that you make sure all speakers are connected by using the positive (+) with the positive and the negative (-) with the negative. If its not done that way then your speakers are "out of phase" which negatively affects the sound tremendously. I think you can do it. I have a 7.1 setup so all my speakers are set to small with an 80hz crossover frequency. However, for serious stereo listening, I use the balanced input and the speakers play full range (large). Incidentally, my main left and right speakers go down to -2db @ 32hz for whatever its worth. I can't wait to hear your report after everything is done. cool.gif
post #37 of 564
Interesting , I had a look at that and it appears to be correct as far as I can tell. They are biwired right now with two red positive high pass and low pass connectors in the corresponding red positive ones on the speakers and the corresponding black negative low pass and high pass ones on the speakers. The strange thing was they sounded correct when I first previewed them but something changed over a night when some friends were playing with the pre amp and setting up Apple TV and all that for the place.
post #38 of 564
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Brian, I have never owned speakers that can be bi-wired so unfortunately, I can give you no advice. However, I am interested in what amp or amps are you using and how many speakers are you trying to drive? Also, do you know the efficiency rating of those KEF Blades?
post #39 of 564
Gbaby, The Blades have a 90db sensitivity and an impediance of 4 ohms. They are driven by two Parasound JC1 monoblocks and the center and rears are driven by a Parasound 5 channel amp. The 3 amps are connected to the SP3 via balanced interconnects. I'm wondering if there is a way to reset the SP3 back to factory settings?
post #40 of 564
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Whoa! Those are great specs, and you'll really enjoy playing your sources loud. Let me know once your dealer configures your system properly. Incidentally, why do you want to reset the unit back to factory settings? If I'm not mistaken, unless you've reassigned a source, the only default factory setting is the 80hz crossover frequency. Also, there is another stellar review of the SP3 in January '13 issue of Home Theater Magazine. The reviewer even plagarized Kal Rubinson by characterizing the sound of one blu-ray on the SP3 as being "pristine" which is the most succinct way of describing its sonic or lack of sonic traits.
Edited by gbaby - 12/6/12 at 8:46am
post #41 of 564
Sounds interesting, I will give it a read. Reviews have been very good, but it is not cheap so I guess they should be! Looking forward to trying out some Blu Rays on the unit. Just wondering if there was a way to reset it back to factory in case there was a setting I adjusted that is causing the problem that I am not aware of.
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. The reviewer even plagarized Kal Rubinson by characterizing the sound of one blurry on the SP3 as being "pristine" which is the most succinct way of describing its sonic or lack of sonic traits.

I never watch "blurry."

post #43 of 564
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I never watch "blurry."

Put an "A after the last r in blurry. Sorry, that was a typo from me trying to peck on an IPad.
Edited by gbaby - 12/7/12 at 6:17am
post #44 of 564
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Put an "A after the last r in blurry. Sorry, that was a typo from me trying to peck on and IPad.

I know and I was just kidding.

post #45 of 564
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Yes Jim , they are coming in two days or so. .

Brian, is today the day?
post #46 of 564
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Brian, is today the day?

Brian, Any news on your setup?
post #47 of 564
I would love to hear your thoughts.
post #48 of 564
Hey guys, still waiting on the audio store to come over and give me a hand, it could be tomorrow or Wednesday I hope.
post #49 of 564
So a bit of an update. Audio store could not figure out what the problem is and suggested the tweeters on the Blades may be blown. So I disconnected the two Blades and connected the two R900's I have. No problem detected then after about five minutes of moderate volume, not loud by any means, the right R900 loses the highs and starts sounding like the Blades did. Now I am wondering if there could be something on the Parasound JC1's that could be killing the tweeters on the speakers? Or maybe the speaker cable? Maybe they're sending to much power to the speakers somehow.

Really dreading having to email Kef about replacing tweeters on the Blades, I cannot imagine what that would cost. I really hope this isnt the problem but it is looking that way. Not to mention the right R900 tweeter may have to be replaced also if thats the case.
post #50 of 564
I would call Parasound first and discuss this with them or perhaps where you bought the JC1s also. Never heard of anything like this before. That certainly sucks.

You may also want to post your issues on the Parasound and Kef threads in case someone there can help. You could send Dav1dF on the AVForum a PM for his thoughts.

I know you said you were biwiring the blades, and I am guessing the R900s also. I believe the R900s are like the Q series and have a internal jumper you rotate versus the jumper wires on my IQ, XQ, and Reference speakers. But if you are biwiring it should not matter what the jumpers are set at, only if biamping which you are not. Not familiar with the Blade binding post arrangement. Certainly got me stumped.
Edited by jima4a - 12/15/12 at 6:43am
post #51 of 564
Yeah I'm perplexed as well. Maybe there is a problem with amps. I bought them used. I'm going to connect the two R900's to the receiver I used with them and see what I hear. If I hear the same problem then I know the tweeters are probably done on the speakers.
post #52 of 564
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Yeah I'm perplexed as well. Maybe there is a problem with amps. I bought them used. I'm going to connect the two R900's to the receiver I used with them and see what I hear. If I hear the same problem then I know the tweeters are probably done on the speakers.

Oh my! I hate to read you are having these kinds of problems. I know you got a deal on the speakers, but were you able to demo them? Also, with the amps, were you able to demo them? Perhaps the speakers are under warranty as most speaker carry a 5 years warranty on the dirvers. I'd hate to have to replace tweeters on a pair of 30k speakers.mad.gif
post #53 of 564
The amps I bought used so there might be an issue with them. I think I can get the tweeters replaced reasonably through them out here I just have to make sure I figure what the problem is so It doesn't happen again once theyre fixed. Maybe Ill give Parasound a call tomorrow and see if they have any ideas. It must be something with the amps.
post #54 of 564
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The amps I bought used so there might be an issue with them. I think I can get the tweeters replaced reasonably through them out here I just have to make sure I figure what the problem is so It doesn't happen again once theyre fixed. Maybe Ill give Parasound a call tomorrow and see if they have any ideas. It must be something with the amps.

Its enough to make a grown man cry. While you seem calm about the situation, I'm mad for you.
post #55 of 564
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Buying the SP3 has turned out to be a real sonic investment. I was having a problem connecting my DAT through its digital input, and Bryston's cheif engineer was coaching me up to 10:00 p.m. on a Saturday night. While it turned out that nothing was wrong with the unit (optical cable was bad), the fact that I was being helped at these hours only confirms that the legendary service for Bryston is TRUE.cool.gif Oh, and by the way music sounds fantastic using my DAT to the SP3. Just testing it turned into 90 minutes of listening to the same DAT. redface.gif
post #56 of 564
I just ordered one. Time to move on. 20 years with Lexicon pre/pros comes to an end.
post #57 of 564
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Congradulations Big Hat| Coming form the Lexicon, you are in for the surprise of your life. cool.gif I will be very interested in you posting your findings, and if you need help on the configuration or set up, let me know.
post #58 of 564
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If you decide to purchase the unit, you will not have any regrets. And, as far as the unit not having an on screen menu, this has never been a problem or an inconvenience. At least give it an audition. One of its biggest attributes is a total lack of sonic signature. It leaves that to the recording engineer and just gives your a pure clean signal making every recording sound different.

Thanks for all of your help. Seeing that Lexicon is a giant FAIL yet again based on CES I've given up on them (and the entire Harmon Group). I should have it in 10 days max. They're building it and the dealer is having it dropped shipped to me. Excited!! I have printed out the manual to try and get a bit ahead of the game. May start building new remote programming this weekend too.
post #59 of 564
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Thanks for all of your help. Seeing that Lexicon is a giant FAIL yet again based on CES I've given up on them (and the entire Harmon Group). I should have it in 10 days max. They're building it and the dealer is having it dropped shipped to me. Excited!! I have printed out the manual to try and get a bit ahead of the game. May start building new remote programming this weekend too.

I most certainly understand your frustrations with the Harmon Group. I always felt that they purchased the Infinity line of speakers in order to trash it and down grade it to promote their high end, over priced Revel line of speakers. They were sucessful as the Infinity line of speakers is at best low fi in the audio world. I own the Infinity Composition Preludes PF-R and I am completely satisfied with them especially since owning the SP3. But, I am concerned that Harmon no longer supports the speakers and I cannot get new drivers for them. I have heard reports that re-coning them does not produce satisfactory results. Harmon no longer makes replacement drivers for them. They are not a company of integrity like Bryston. I have first hand experience and knowledge that Bryson stands by their products. I've even communicated with officers of the Bryston corporation on weekends when I had problems. How is that for service?. Harmon has turned itself to the american auto industry from the past with planned obsolescence.
Edited by gbaby - 1/11/13 at 1:15pm
post #60 of 564
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Congradulations Big Hat| Coming form the Lexicon, you are in for the surprise of your life. cool.gif I will be very interested in you posting your findings, and if you need help on the configuration or set up, let me know.


Holy crap!!! You were right. This thing is sweet. My Dynaudios are telling me things the Lex was hiding. EVERYTHING is better. Movies sound awesome. The steering is clearly better when using the same codec as the Lex and the DTS-Master and True Dolby HD codecs are just great and I'm happy to be able to finally access them. The analog is what really excites me. Hearing instrument resolution I've been missing for a long time. Really, it's like buying new speakers.

Set up was pretty easy for the most part. Got the LAN connection quickly and it's nice to see what the panel looks like from another room. I do have a question though. I have my Ayre DAC connected via single ended input (CD). I normally used it in bypass mode before and am currently. I select 2-channel bypass and then the CD input below. My question is if I want to, can I use some of the surround modes the SP3 has for stereo inputs? If I select Stereo up top I lose the signal. The manual says (page 4 Surround Mode) when addressing these modes that " These modes derive surround modes from stereo (2 -channel) analog DVD inputs." So are they referring to older stereo codec movies entering via HDMI, just the DVD single end input, or any of the single end inputs? I see that stereo audio from my TIVO DVR can be adjusted, so thinking it must just be that, but if analog music can be manipulated please advise as to how it's done.

Only other observation is that when I first started watching a movie it seemed like the picture was a bit sharper and I thought it a bonus for getting the on screen processor, etc out of the loop. I was fooling around with my K-scape video and audio output options though and started to get a little video noise. Small flecks noticeable against black. That had me worried, but I've been unable to replicate it this morning. Ever had any issues with that? I

Edit: Video noise issues resolved.
Edited by BigHat - 1/24/13 at 10:05am
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