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post #751 of 1169
My new SP-3 came today. I unboxed it and gave it a visual inspection - its pretty bad-ass!
The remote is a big 'ole slab of aluminum, wow.

I'm burned out from work, so I'll install and set it up tomorrow. Five weeks from order date - I hope it was worth the wait!

Let the work begin! biggrin.gif
post #752 of 1169
Congrats, Giz. I'm sure you'll enjoy the SP3. The manual is obtuse and incomplete, but the knowledgeable folks on this forum should be very helpful as you set up your SP3.

Many happy listening hours,

RJ
post #753 of 1169
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Originally Posted by GizmoWrecker View Post

My new SP-3 came today. I unboxed it and gave it a visual inspection - its pretty bad-ass!
The remote is a big 'ole slab of aluminum, wow.

I'm burned out from work, so I'll install and set it up tomorrow. Five weeks from order date - I hope it was worth the wait!

Let the work begin! biggrin.gif

Congradulations Gizmo! Sorry it took me so long to acknowledge your post. To be honest, I don't frequent this thread too much because I'm too busy listening. wink.gif However, if you run into any trouble, we are all just a post away.
post #754 of 1169
Took a bit to get used to this monster, its very much a different animal compared to other processors; its like 'hardware', not audio eqmt.

Anyway, this thing is incredible and has brought so much dynamism and fresh air to my system, it's incredible.

Im hooked on Bryston for my particular needs, the clean, fresh, quiet, and efficient sound is intoxicating.

Thanks for everyone's help, I think my system is finally "done" - minus the possibility to maybe get 3 front speakers someday, but with this sound, doesn't appear to be entirely necessary : )

I'll check in every so often to comment on firmware, etc. Thanks again ppl !

cheers
post #755 of 1169
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Gizmo, I know what you mean. My system is finally done, too. Happy listening! cool.gifwink.gifsmile.gif
post #756 of 1169
Hi All.

I'm new here and looking to upgrade from a SP2 which is currently serving Analogue duties. However I have a question, it may well have been covered but I can't find a definitive answer so I thought I would ask the experts!

I use a Chord Red Reference CD player to listen to my CD's, it is also connected to a HTPC with a Musical Fidelity VDAC 192 USB device to allow streaming of my FLAC files via the HTPC through the Chord SP/DIF interface using XBMC. The HTPC is connected to a Onkyo PR-SC5507 via HDMI, which does Blu Ray duties only. So I have 2 independent systems. Complicated, but the Onkyo cannot compete with the SP2 for sound quality (at least to me).

Currently I am able to listen to the Bryston whilst viewing the image from XBMC (HTPC) on my projector so I can select the tracks etc as the Onkyo supports HDMI Passthrough in standby mode.

Now for the question. Can the SP3 allow me to see the image from a HDMI source whilst a Analogue source (Chord Red Reference) is selected, or does the implicit selection of the chord via an analogue input disable the HDMI output?

Wow, I think that covers it.

There may be another solution so feel to offer alternative solutions.
post #757 of 1169
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Hello Mr. Paul. I read your post and it would seem to me that once you pick an HDMI source on the SP3, whether or not you can play the analog out would depend on your source component. For example, I own a Sony blu-ray player with HDMI and 7.1 analog outs. Once I select the HDMI input for the Sony, the Sony, itself, has options alllowing the sound to play through HDMI, optical.coaxial or analog. However, the D/A converter of the SP3 is so good, I do not use the analog outs of the Sony. In any event, tonight, when I get home, I will see if one can play an analog source independant of the HDMI source and still see a picture. Finally, since you own the SP2, I guess you already know it is bettered by the SP3. And, the good thing is you won't even think about room correction. wink.gif I look at other sights debating room correction from the Marantz thread to the McIntosh thread and it seems those folks are chasing sound perfection that will never be acheived. wink.gif In fact, trying to be "jackleg" sound engineers, I ofter wonder when do they listen to the music? eek.gif
post #758 of 1169
Hi.

Thanks for the response. I would be loath to use the D/A conversion in the SP3 as the Chord does it 'differently' and I love the sound. I don't have any room correction as I was able to have a large room built specially for my needs.

However, your understanding is correct, will the SP3 just pass video over HDMI whilst allowing me to use my Chord CD Player (£13000 or $20000 so not cheap) for analogue sound. I am hoping the answer is yes, as it's just HDMI Passthrough after all!

Paul.smile.gif
post #759 of 1169
Thanks! gbaby for starting this thread. For what is was, I really enjoyed the SP-1. Sounded great on music. I know that the SP2, then SP3 really stepped up the pre/pro capabilities.
post #760 of 1169
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Originally Posted by tikitom View Post

Hi,

I'm thinking about getting the SP3 and just wanted to know honest opinions how movies sound in 7.1 or 5.1, I sent Kal Rubinson which did an awesome reivew on the SP3 a private message to ask him and he said the Bryston SP3 is better for music and the Mcintosh mx151 is better for movies and he don't watch movies so I am still undecided on which one to purchase because I like music and movies.Thank you for any information!


Tom.

 

I am not denying what I said but it is inappropriate for you to reveal our private conversation in a public forum without checking with me.  If you wanted the issue in public, you should have posed the questions here..

post #761 of 1169
I'm sorry if I offended you Kal, your right I should not have posted that I respect your comments and reviews. I'm new in the audio and don't know that much about it I'm trying to get oppinions on what movies sound like with the Bryston but everybody seems to use it for music listening. I was thinking about going with the Mac for the EQ but I'm not sure what to get because I am going to have to limit a credit card out to get it and I want it to be the right decision.


I appoligize once again Kal...

-Tom
post #762 of 1169
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Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Hi.

Thanks for the response. I would be loath to use the D/A conversion in the SP3 as the Chord does it 'differently' and I love the sound. I don't have any room correction as I was able to have a large room built specially for my needs.

However, your understanding is correct, will the SP3 just pass video over HDMI whilst allowing me to use my Chord CD Player (£13000 or $20000 so not cheap) for analogue sound. I am hoping the answer is yes, as it's just HDMI Passthrough after all!

Paul.smile.gif

Well, the answer is yes. Each HDMI input on the SP3 can access an analog sound input while passing the HDMI video signal. biggrin.gif
post #763 of 1169
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Thanks! gbaby for starting this thread. For what is was, I really enjoyed the SP-1. Sounded great on music. I know that the SP2, then SP3 really stepped up the pre/pro capabilities.

You are welcome. I think the SP3 was designed to make music in 2.0 shine when converted to 7.1 Prologic IIx music. I'm almost shame to say that most of my listening is streamed from iTunes from my iPad using my own music converted to aiff files. I'm listening constantly in 7.1; more so than SACD surround. redface.gif
post #764 of 1169
Hi.

Many thanks for testing this for me. It was becoming a deal breaker, having spent many hours transferring most of my collection to FLAC on PC I really needed to be able to access the PC screen whilst listening to an analogue source. It makes my buying decision easy.

Many thanks,

Paul. biggrin.gif
post #765 of 1169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Hi.

Many thanks for testing this for me. It was becoming a deal breaker, having spent many hours transferring most of my collection to FLAC on PC I really needed to be able to access the PC screen whilst listening to an analogue source. It makes my buying decision easy.

Many thanks,

Paul. biggrin.gif

My pleasure. Let us know when you make the plunge. cool.gif
post #766 of 1169
Movies or music, I see no distinction personally. This unit rips the earth open with awesomeness. The McIntosh addiction is a bandwagon I wont jump onto unless earned. So far, I coin their stuff as high-end, but nothing Ive heard blows my gnards off like my new SP3 does. IMHO I actually dislike the old-fogey chassis designs, they appear to be suited for people over 75. It all looks like Model-T cars. Buy hey, can't argue with taste, right? Blue better than green! smile.gif [for the record I have heard the latest version Mc pre/pros, they are excellent, just not my cup of tea overall. I will give credit where credit is due.]

I threw on some 20 year old music the other day and the result? My face soaked in tears. It brought me back to my 20's and I relived it. This unit, coupled with other good elements, invoked emotion I haven't felt in decades. I get similar results watching video. Others in this thread can likely add to this, siting similar experiences they have had with this eqmt, but not other eqmt.

The two most significant pieces of eqmt I have every purchased:
* Oppo 105, after-market modded to reduce jitter/joise
* SP3

Thanks to this thread, I learned to leverage outgoing processed video from the Oppo and send directly to TV input, and send the Oppo audio directly to the Sp3.
Results? Clean euphoria.

I'm not a fan by default stance, on the contrary, I would have no issue saying SP3 wasnt worth it if that was the case. I would sell it, and get something less expensive.

But.........this thing RIPS! ...so that aint ever gunna happen! If my house was burning down, the one thing I'd grab before running out the front door, is it! biggrin.gif

Lastly the sub-out signal is fantastic, it turned my powered sub into a monster it has never been before.
post #767 of 1169
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GizmoWrecker View Post

Movies or music, I see no distinction personally. This unit rips the earth open with awesomeness. The McIntosh addiction is a bandwagon I wont jump onto unless earned. So far, I coin their stuff as high-end, but nothing Ive heard blows my gnards off like my new SP3 does. IMHO I actually dislike the old-fogey chassis designs, they appear to be suited for people over 75. It all looks like Model-T cars. Buy hey, can't argue with taste, right? Blue better than green! smile.gif [for the record I have heard the latest version Mc pre/pros, they are excellent, just not my cup of tea overall. I will give credit where credit is due.]

I threw on some 20 year old music the other day and the result? My face soaked in tears. It brought me back to my 20's and I relived it. This unit, coupled with other good elements, invoked emotion I haven't felt in decades. I get similar results watching video. Others in this thread can likely add to this, siting similar experiences they have had with this eqmt, but not other eqmt.

The two most significant pieces of eqmt I have every purchased:
* Oppo 105, after-market modded to reduce jitter/joise
* SP3

Thanks to this thread, I learned to leverage outgoing processed video from the Oppo and send directly to TV input, and send the Oppo audio directly to the Sp3.
Results? Clean euphoria.

I'm not a fan by default stance, on the contrary, I would have no issue saying SP3 wasnt worth it if that was the case. I would sell it, and get something less expensive.

But.........this thing RIPS! ...so that aint ever gunna happen! If my house was burning down, the one thing I'd grab before running out the front door, is it! biggrin.gif

Lastly the sub-out signal is fantastic, it turned my powered sub into a monster it has never been before.

What a great review, if not sometimes humorous. smile.gif When I think about it, both the McIntosh and the Marantz processors have that "old fogey chassis design." But, if I liked either sonically, I'd buy them. Regardless, the Bryston SP3 is the finest gear I've own, and I'm finally satisfied with the sound of my system. Gizmo, since you own a modded Oppo 105, I'd be curious if you would compare the D/A converter of the moded Oppo vs. the D/A converter of the SP3. One reason I'd never consider the McIntosh is that comparison is not possible because it does not have an analog pass through. frown.gif
Edited by gbaby - 9/24/13 at 1:07pm
post #768 of 1169
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

My pleasure. Let us know when you make the plunge. cool.gif

Gbaby.

I have a HiFi dealer about an hour away who can demo the SP3 to me. When I told him of my requirements he said he didn't think it was possible!

Would you be willing to let me know your current firmware release and maybe a small rundown of how you assigned an analogue input to HDMI, if that's how you did it please?

Many thanks,

Paul.
post #769 of 1169
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Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Hi.

However, your understanding is correct, will the SP3 just pass video over HDMI whilst allowing me to use my Chord CD Player (£13000 or $20000 so not cheap) for analogue sound. I am hoping the answer is yes, as it's just HDMI Passthrough after all!

Paul.smile.gif

Just curious. In what situation would you listen to the 2 channel analog signal while watching the video at the same time?
post #770 of 1169
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Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Gbaby.

I have a HiFi dealer about an hour away who can demo the SP3 to me. When I told him of my requirements he said he didn't think it was possible!

Would you be willing to let me know your current firmware release and maybe a small rundown of how you assigned an analogue input to HDMI, if that's how you did it please?

Many thanks,

Paul.

Paul

You should contact Bryston directly with your question--they are the best ones to answer and are usually very responsive to inquiries like that.
post #771 of 1169
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Gbaby.

I have a HiFi dealer about an hour away who can demo the SP3 to me. When I told him of my requirements he said he didn't think it was possible!

Would you be willing to let me know your current firmware release and maybe a small rundown of how you assigned an analogue input to HDMI, if that's how you did it please?

Many thanks,

Paul.

I'm at work now so I can't tell you my firmware, but I'll look when I'm home and let you know. However, I do know that the SP3 will do what you require. There are eight (8) HDMI inputs for the SP3. I have one of my blu-ray players connected to the SP3 DVD HDMI input. There is also a separate HDMI and a Digital button on the SP3. If I want to access the HDMI sound signal, I press the HDMI button. If I just want to access the coaxial or optical signal I press the digital button. The difference between the HDMI button and the digital button is that only the HDMI button will give you access to the True Dolby HD and DTS Master sound on your blu-ray whereas the digtial button gives you access to the legacy surround formats (Dolby Digital and DTS). To access analog on the same DVD/HDMI input, all one has to do on the SP3 is press the HDMI button a second time and you get the analog input without affecting the picture. It works the same if you use only the digital inputs except you hit the digital button twice to access the analog inputs on the SP3. This is all assuming you have your source component connected to its analog inputs, too. Am I clear?
post #772 of 1169
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I'm at work now so I can't tell you my firmware, but I'll look when I'm home and let you know. However, I do know that the SP3 will do what you require. There are eight (8) HDMI inputs for the SP3. I have one of my blu-ray players connected to the SP3 DVD HDMI input. There is also a separate HDMI and a Digital button on the SP3. If I want to access the HDMI sound signal, I press the HDMI button. If I just want to access the coaxial or optical signal I press the digital button. The difference between the HDMI button and the digital button is that only the HDMI button will give you access to the True Dolby HD and DTS Master sound on your blu-ray whereas the digtial button gives you access to the legacy surround formats (Dolby Digital and DTS). To access analog on the same DVD/HDMI input, all one has to do on the SP3 is press the HDMI button a second time and you get the analog input without affecting the picture. It works the same if you use only the digital inputs except you hit the digital button twice to access the analog inputs on the SP3. This is all assuming you have your source component connected to its analog inputs, too. Am I clear?

Gbaby.

Perfectly! That's awesome, I will tell the shop so that they can try it.

I will contact them once I have your firmware revision just in case it's different. biggrin.gif
post #773 of 1169
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Paul

You should contact Bryston directly with your question--they are the best ones to answer and are usually very responsive to inquiries like that.

Moonhawk.

Thanks, I already have, but so far no response. mad.gif

Paul.
post #774 of 1169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Gbaby.

Perfectly! That's awesome, I will tell the shop so that they can try it.

I will contact them once I have your firmware revision just in case it's different. biggrin.gif

I can tell you that the firmware makes no difference. This is simply how the unit operates. wink.gif
post #775 of 1169
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

Just curious. In what situation would you listen to the 2 channel analog signal while watching the video at the same time?

Hi.

I listen to my music via a HTPC via XBMC, the PC sends the digital signal to a Musical Fidelity 192K VDAC, which in turn is connected to my CHORD via SP/DIF. The chord then does the D/A and passes the audio via analogue to my SP2. So I need the picture from the HTPC but the sound from my SP2. So I need the SP3 to pass the picture but get the sound via analogue means. biggrin.gif

Paul.
post #776 of 1169
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I can tell you that the firmware makes no difference. This is simply how the unit operates. wink.gif

Gbaby.

That's good enough for me. Many thanks for your fine help.

Kind Regards,

Paul.
post #777 of 1169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPaulj View Post

Gbaby.

That's good enough for me. Many thanks for your fine help.

Kind Regards,

Paul.

My pleasure. Let me add that if you get the Bryston SP3, I have a feeling you won't be needing that Musical Fidelity DAC. wink.gif
post #778 of 1169
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

My pleasure. Let me add that if you get the Bryston SP3, I have a feeling you won't be needing that Musical Fidelity DAC. wink.gif

Gbaby & Others.

I fear some of my explanations have been devoid of substance, so-to-speak. Let me try to expand.

As I have mentioned I use a HTPC for music. Having first used a number of USB to Toslink adapters which were frankly 'Rubbish' I then went through much pain and searching in order to find a good sounding USB to SP/DIF adapter that would allow me to get my digital stream from the PC to my Chord Red Reference. The Musical Fidelity simply takes the Digital Stream from the PC in up to 192Kb Quality and does no more. It then transfers the stream to a SP/DIF connection which is far superior to Toslink as this connection is known for it's bitrate limitation, 44.1 KHz fine but that's about all.

Now having got my digital stream in pristine condition (and higher quality if the original is provided in that form) my Chord does the DAC job. For those who don't know what the Chord does, Google 'WTA Filter'. Most D/A converters are on chip converters, whereas in the Chord it's done in software, by I think, 64 bit RISC processors. This to me is what makes the Chord sound good to my ears. This is then output via analogue connections from the Chord to my pre-amp (SP2).

It's the reason this quest has become a significant one for me. I probably will not use any of the SP3's audio DAC's, but require my now Chord generated analogue signal to be amplified and fed to my amp and speakers. I know it all sounds like heresy in a Bryston SP3 forum, but I want the SP3 to simplify my current Blu Ray and Analogue systems but still fit in with my current setup.

Of course I will use all of the Hi-Def DAC's though for Cinema! smile.gif

Please excuse the ramblings if this information is of no use!

Kind Regards to all.

Paul. biggrin.gif
post #779 of 1169
Paul--

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, but please, just to humor us, do a comparison with the DACs in the SP3 to the DACs is your Chord, if and when you do get the Bryston.

We'll still love ya even if you prefer the Chord... biggrin.gif
post #780 of 1169
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Paul--

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, but please, just to humor us, do a comparison with the DACs in the SP3 to the DACs is your Chord, if and when you do get the Bryston.

We'll still love ya even if you prefer the Chord... biggrin.gif

Hi.

No problem, I will be doing an A/B and will post the results when I have obtained the SP3.

Paul. biggrin.gif
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