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post #211 of 309
Performance per dollar I wouldn't say this is a good value purchase. I have been back and forth to the shop I bought mine from, and their display model has less of the flashlighting and looks more uniform than the one I have at home. It does have the best, biggest picture for the price. If you read back, I did try the Sharp 80" Quattron model which was nowhere near as good in features or PQ. Also cost half the price. Depending on what display tech you are coming from, and the set you get, you may find this a step up. For me, I am coming from a Panasonic 55GT50 which the ES9000 comes close in most regards of PQ. Black level is superior on the 55GT50. If you are coming from another edge-lit tv the shortcomings of the ES9000 are probably acceptable. If you are coming from plasma or full array - local dimmed sets you may notice some differences that you may or may not be able to live with. I am on the fence at this point, I don't want to give up the extra inches, but don't like flashlighting my set exhibits OCCASIONALLY. As for features, honestly, I think this tv has THE BEST feature set of any tv on the market TODAY. Whether or not you find those features useful, or think they add value is something that is best to left up to the individual. I don't use Facebook or Twitter, I have a HTPC hooked up for any online stuff, so for me they don't add any value, but my wife and friends who are on Facebook really like that they can have those things in a PIP window while watching a movie or tv. I like the fact that on the tv, the skype camera allows for more than two people scrunched together on the screen at a time.

I would say 90% of the time I really really like the tv. The other 10% are directly attributable to the difference in edge-lighting and plasma technology.

If a 65" tv just won't cut it, the 75ES9000 or the yet to be released 75F8000 are really your only options as the Elite 70" has been discontinued and there are reported issues on the owners thread with a number of tv's from the final production run (Nov. 2012). The Sharp 80" and 90" are bigger but really not in the same league quality-wise. Of course if you have 20, 25 or 38 thousand in couch-change laying around there are the LG, Sony and Samsung 84" UHD's to look forward to biggrin.gif
Edited by pred1973 - 2/16/13 at 9:17am
post #212 of 309
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Originally Posted by Eelii08 View Post

I think hemis giving you..... I bought mine with a big discount too. Although in europe, but retail was 6900 euros, and I paid for mine 5600 euros.. Minus a samsung discount of 500 euros of a promorion. So shop around..

In the US Samsung is restricting retailers from discounting their mid to high end sets, Sony is also doing this. Apple and game consoles are also price-controlled.
post #213 of 309
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

In the US Samsung is restricting retailers from discounting their mid to high end sets, Sony is also doing this. Apple and game consoles are also price-controlled.

if you search the net, you can find many online retailers (in the USA) selling the UN75ES9000 for around $7000 right now. I too have heard that Sony and Samsung are using unilateral pricing policies (UPP). However it seems Samsung will warrantee their tv's, provided the unit is new (not refurbished), you have proof of receipt and you're the first owner to register the serial number. Not so sure it needs to be purchased from an authorized seller. Can anyone confirm that it must be purchased from an authorized seller, by the way of documentation saying so, or warrantee is not valid?
Edited by bekindrewind - 2/17/13 at 11:20am
post #214 of 309
If there was 4k content and broadcasting I would no doubt consider any of the 84 inch models. Thankfuly by the time there will be, the prices will not be that high any longer.

Price of this set will drop no doubt. And by the time it does there will be another unit that is better. That is how thing are with TVs. I guess you just have to jump in at some stage to what is better for you consodering the current offering.
post #215 of 309
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Originally Posted by Eelii08 View Post

If there was 4k content and broadcasting I would no doubt consider any of the 84 inch models. Thankfuly by the time there will be, the prices will not be that high any longer.

Price of this set will drop no doubt. And by the time it does there will be another unit that is better. That is how thing are with TVs. I guess you just have to jump in at some stage to what is better for you consodering the current offering.

I agree, content is what is going to hurt 4k/UHD sales in the short term. I think there are folks who would shell out the $$$ for the sets, look at the prices of plasma tv's when they first came out, early adopters usually will pay the price to be the first to have something. But you need to have something to watch on it that creates that jaw-dropping moment.
post #216 of 309
New firmware released.
post #217 of 309
Will check it out. Did one so long with no problem over ethernet.

Is there anywhere you know that can be checked with a list of updatea/upgrades of the version?
post #218 of 309
I looked on both the Samsung US and Canadian sites and they don't even list it, let alone what it does.... It might be a North America only update, so not sure if its shown up in Europe. Just know when I turned mine on today there was an update notice, updated over wifi in about 4 minutes. The revision number went from 1046 to 1047 so I am guessing it is a minor update.
post #219 of 309
Just checked. Not for europe model. Currently I have ver. 002003
post #220 of 309
Yes has to be only a NA update. Strange the dif numbers of versions. I guess the upgrades are the same but give them totaly dif numbers. Wonder why.

Yes same here. Nowhere I know of that has a log of firmwares. Poor support for samsung there.
post #221 of 309
I think you mentioned you use ipad. Assume you have downloaded the smartview remote aplication.

It is good but compared to the android ver you can download for samsung devices is very poor.

With the former you can only see the tv on ipad if you have the samsung in tv input. Whith the android you can see one input on the samsung device (like cable or movie over hdmi) while having on the tv another input or even channel. And you can change either one from the device.

Very poor implementation of the app for the ipad and limited in comparation.

They habve upgraded the app already 4 or 5 times but do not seem to have plans to enhance this to similar levels as the android app. I. Guess they wants us to by samsung tablets? Bad for them on this too.
post #222 of 309
I have an Ipad 2, but honestly it is more of a toy/teaching tool for my 2 year old than anything I use. I have a very high end laptop for portable use and a Blackberry Playbook that I actually like better for on the go web browsing (actually supports flash) and email, so I don't have any tv apps on the Ipad. My phone is an HTC running Android ICS so I suppose I could download the 'droid app, but really all the online facebook, twitter stuff is more my wife's style than mine. Makes me feel old to say it, but I buy a tv to watch movies, I want good PQ and the rest of it is just a bonus for my wife to enjoy. OH, Skype, I do use the build in skype feature.
post #223 of 309
Just downloaded the latest firmware (version 1047; went from version 1040). Not sure what improvements it made.
post #224 of 309
Not sure but seems to me there is some kind or mode of dimming that is only working in standard mode. With HD sources via hdmi, in standars the blacks seem to be better. Per instance the black on the back of the screen is unafected by the white text credits and end of movies; same with the horizontal lines in letterbox. Anyone else noticed something similar?
post #225 of 309
Thread Starter 
Here is an excellent review.

http://www.hometheater.com/
post #226 of 309
i have the 60ES8000 and i can say that i couldnt be more disappointed with the 3d (for the most part). Avatar 3d looks borderline unwatchable up until it becomes full digital (around the time he gets hops off the chopper and starts mucking with the coral like plants) and after that its just barely acceptable. why is my 3d so horrific ? the blurryness (i guess thats crosstalk?) is so bad that it actually gives me a headache in all but the best of scenes. is this normal? this is my first 3d tv but i can absolutelly see that strange blur in just about ever part of every moving and game (tried uncharted 3 in 3d which is getting raving reviews) and theres flat out so much imperfection that 3D is not an option at all.

I feel like im missing something. some simple setting, some basic configuration or some "duh" moment in regards to this TV. Ive returned two alreadu (mostly due to the dark-screen-LED spotlights, which, by the way, even on the best of my lottery are still far-far-far-far-far from perfect) and none of them have had what i might consider watchable 3d.


is every videophile on earth far more forgiving with 3d then i am or am i totally missing something?

Help anyone! The price we paid for this TV is really making the highly unimpressive 3d visuals extremely painful.
post #227 of 309
Thread Starter 
Shouldn't your questions or comments be made on the ES8000 thread?
post #228 of 309
Very good link Remlee.

Thanks a lot. I think it is the first real review and test of the set. Will try those settings and see how they work.
post #229 of 309
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Originally Posted by remlee View Post

Here is an excellent review.

http://www.hometheater.com/

Wow! That's a rather impressive review, and Tom Norton is hardly a newbie when it comes to this stuff. He actually went so far as to say:

" ... the UN75ES9000 produced the best 3D I’ve yet seen anywhere, either from a home display or (apart from sheer screen size) in a commercial theater—challenged (but not bettered) only by a good, two-projector IMAX presentation."

That's quite a statement! Interestingly, he didn't notice any of the flashlighting or clouding that has been such a prevalent complaint in these forums. This leads me to believe that either Samsung made sure to give him a problem free example, or the later runs have less issues. Hopefully, the latter is true. Given the fact that the new F8000 is supposed to improve the backlighting even further, we may be in for a real treat with the 2013 models. smile.gif
post #230 of 309
I've tried to explain to members that visit this forum that the 9000 does not exhibit flashlighting like the 8000 series and other previous Samsung models.

I have not had a problem with flashlighting in my set. Ever.

Best television I've ever owned. By far. Not cheap, but when posters try and lump the 9000 in with previous edge lit sets and talk about flashlighting, they either don't own the set. Or, they haven't spent enough time viewing one in a store to realize that this particular edge lit actually works.

It would be a real homerun for buyers if the new 8000 series coming out this year perform as well as the 9000 did from last year. Particularly if they sell at a lower price point.
post #231 of 309
Thread Starter 
I have been looking for a thorough review ever since Samsung announced it, and I started this thread. Its good to have validation in my choice. Perhaps the reason that this thread is not all that busy is because most if not all actual owners are HAPPY with the purchase.

That old bromide "you get what you pay for" certainly rings true here.
post #232 of 309
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Originally Posted by remlee View Post

Perhaps the reason that this thread is not all that busy is because most if not all actual owners are HAPPY with the purchase.

Hopefully, this is true. I also think the fact that it's so expensive is another key reason why the thread isn't very active. There just aren't a lot of these sets out there.
post #233 of 309
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Wow! That's a rather impressive review, and Tom Norton is hardly a newbie when it comes to this stuff. He actually went so far as to say:

" ... the UN75ES9000 produced the best 3D I’ve yet seen anywhere, either from a home display or (apart from sheer screen size) in a commercial theater—challenged (but not bettered) only by a good, two-projector IMAX presentation."

That's quite a statement! Interestingly, he didn't notice any of the flashlighting or clouding that has been such a prevalent complaint in these forums. This leads me to believe that either Samsung made sure to give him a problem free example, or the later runs have less issues. Hopefully, the latter is true. Given the fact that the new F8000 is supposed to improve the backlighting even further, we may be in for a real treat with the 2013 models. smile.gif

Even though I returned my ES9000, I experienced no flashlighting or clouding. As far as black levels are concerned, top notch. It's only outdone by the Elite. I had some issues with crosstalk in 3D mode at first, but after messing with a couple settings, best 3D experience I've ever had at home. Damn! Why did I return this again???? Lol
post #234 of 309
Why did you return it?
post #235 of 309
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Why did you return it?

Yes. I'd like to know the answer to this as well, and what TV did you end up going with instead?
post #236 of 309
I'm kind of on the fence at the moment. I have had some flashlighting in the corners. Nothing horrible, but just enough to irritate me that the tv is as expensive as it is. I am currently looking at whether or not I can take the plunge on a LG84LM9600 from Cleveland Plasma. Looks like an amazing deal, just have to see if I can swing it as it is above what I had budgeted. I also have an opportunity to get a 65ZT60 when they are released. I am partial to the plasma picture, just really not wanting to give up so many inches. Of course I can also see if the 75F8000 has any improvement on the issues I see on mine. Few flaws aside, the size is very nice and the PQ is not embarrassed by being compared to the Elite.
post #237 of 309
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Yes. I'd like to know the answer to this as well, and what TV did you end up going with instead?

I think he went with a DLP....Mitsubishi WD-82840 - 82" 120Hz 1080p DLP 3D HDTV
Under $2,000 also.
post #238 of 309
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

I'm kind of on the fence at the moment. I have had some flashlighting in the corners. Nothing horrible, but just enough to irritate me that the tv is as expensive as it is. I am currently looking at whether or not I can take the plunge on a LG84LM9600 from Cleveland Plasma. Looks like an amazing deal, just have to see if I can swing it as it is above what I had budgeted. I also have an opportunity to get a 65ZT60 when they are released. I am partial to the plasma picture, just really not wanting to give up so many inches. Of course I can also see if the 75F8000 has any improvement on the issues I see on mine. Few flaws aside, the size is very nice and the PQ is not embarrassed by being compared to the Elite.

What flaws do you notice or bother you?
Flashlighting in the corners you mention. Some others say they don't see it. Wonder if it's luck of the draw.
post #239 of 309
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Yes. I'd like to know the answer to this as well, and what TV did you end up going with instead?

The main reason I sent the tv back was due to picture quality not matching the price tag. I owned the 2011 Samsung 65" D8000. After three replacements due to extreme flashlighting and clouding, I stepped up to the 65" Samsung ES8000. The picture quality was good but there was some flashlighting and clouding, just not as bad as the D8000. Sent it back and went with the Panasonic 65VT50. I loved the viewing angles and rich colors but the dithering bothered the crap out of me. I couldn't look past it as hard as I tried.

I then went with the 70" Sharp Elite. After almost 30 days, I sent it back to Best Buy also. That by far is the biggest regret I have with all my tv purchases. I ended up getting one from Best buy for $6,000 and when the 75es9000 was announced, I bought into the hype. There was absolutely nothing wrong with my Elite. It was damn near perfect other than the occasional pulsing.

I honestly thought the ES9000 would be the closest thing to OLED picture quality without getting and OLED. I bought the ES9000 and was surprised by how similar the picture quality was to the ES8000. The main difference were slightly improved black levels and no issues with clouding and flashlighting. Everything else was identical. I just expected more out of the tv for the extra $5,000 to jump from the 65" to the 75". To me personally, it wasn't justified.

Be kind rewind is right. I ended up with the 82" Mits 840 series DLP. It's been a great tv and because of the amazing deal I got for it, it was a little easier to overcome the picture quality shortcomings. I tend to be alot more critical on my electronics as the price tag goes up.

I just sold my 82" last week on Craigslist and am currently enjoying my Sony 55HX850 in my bedroom. It has a fantastic picture quality and for the price, nothing else comes close. I'm going to wait and see what gets released this year before I get another tv for my mancave. It's been a bumpy ride so far and I'm hoping that there's a tv around the corner that will finally make me happy smile.gif And it doesn't help that my wife is ready to kill me. Lol

Look, if someone has the money to spend on a big screen tv and they want great quality, the es9000 is a good choice. Just not for me.
post #240 of 309
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

I then went with the 70" Sharp Elite. After almost 30 days, I sent it back to Best Buy also. That by far is the biggest regret I have with all my tv purchases. I ended up getting one from Best buy for $6,000 and when the 75es9000 was announced, I bought into the hype. There was absolutely nothing wrong with my Elite. It was damn near perfect other than the occasional pulsing.

I've loved the Sharp Elites ever since I first saw one on the Magnolia showroom floor. If they had made an 80" version, I would own it. Coming from a 60", I just wasn't thrilled with the idea of only gaining 10 more inches. That's why I've been sitting back and waiting to see what else would come out. I was hoping for a bunch of new large full array local dimming sets to be announced at CES. Unfortunately, this was not the case, so now all my hopes are riding on the F8000. If it is as good or better than the ES9000 and is less money, I may take the plunge.
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