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post #271 of 309
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Abt is now taking preorders for all 3 of the 75" models.

$5000 for the F6400
$6000 for the F7100
$8000 for the F8000

Interesting. I wonder what real PQ differences there are. I couldn't give a rats ass about smart stuff, apps, etc.

Interesting price on the 75F8000. $1,000 more than the XBR65X900A 4K set. If I had the money which I don't. I'd say I would probably be leaning toward the 4K set than the extra 10 inches. But I could see people leaning the other way just as easily.
post #272 of 309
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Abt is now taking preorders for all 3 of the 75" models.

$5000 for the F6400
$6000 for the F7100
$8000 for the F8000

Interesting. I wonder what real PQ differences there are. I couldn't give a rats ass about smart stuff, apps, etc.

Those are all estimated selling prices from Samsung. They should drop....hopefully.
post #273 of 309
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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Abt is now taking preorders for all 3 of the 75" models.

$5000 for the F6400
$6000 for the F7100
$8000 for the F8000

Interesting. I wonder what real PQ differences there are. I couldn't give a rats ass about smart stuff, apps, etc.

These two reviews on the F7100 and F6400 do a good job on explaining some of the differences with the F8000

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un75f7100.html
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un75f6400.html
post #274 of 309
Rjruby - thanks!

Cmay - that dilemma is why I am very interested to see how Vizio prices their 4K sets. They may goldilocks it smile.gif
post #275 of 309
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

These two reviews on the F7100 and F6400 do a good job on explaining some of the differences with the F8000

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un75f7100.html
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-un75f6400.html
Thanks mate
post #276 of 309
Well, finally had enough of the flashlighting and crazy dimming. Dealer agreed to come pick up the set next weekend. Was a bit reluctant at first, but turns out that I can get a 65ZT60, an open box projector and a 106" screen for what I paid for this tv. I had really hoped to get over the issues but the reality was that I have gone nearly two weeks without turning it on because every time I did I found myself being critical of the picture compared to the 55GT50 it was supposed to be an upgrade from. A much bigger and brighter picture for sure, but the black levels were much worse and the dimming could be very distracting at times. For those of you happy with the tv, I wish you happy viewing.

For me a $10k tv shouldn't leave me missing my $2K tv. I understand the extra inches and features have value, but in my case a 5x increase in price did not compensate for the fact that I would rather watch a movie on my 17" laptop over that tv, which is what I found to be the case lately. To be fair, the display at my dealer, did not seem to have flashlighting as bad as on mine, and I seriously considered swapping, but that still wouldn't take care of the way this tv handles dimming.
post #277 of 309
The dimming can be defeated though. CE dimming is not even present in Movie mode, and adjusting brightness up and white point balance down also eliminates it !

1000
post #278 of 309
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

The dimming can be defeated though. CE dimming is not even present in Movie mode, and adjusting brightness up and white point balance down also eliminates it !

1000

yes but without dimming the black level is terrible compared to the plasma I came from. Especially with the backlight turned up. I had it at backlight of 7 to try and minimize flashlighting. Its really just too many compromises for a $10k tv. I tried so hard to get past the things I didn't like, but in the end the fact of the matter is that spending $10K on a tv that I stopped watching for weeks because of how much I kept comparing it unfavorably to the 55GT50 is was supposed to be an upgrade from just doesn't make sense. If every time I sat down to watch it I missed the tv it replaced, then it is obviously not the right tv for me. I wish others happy viewing, but for me, in the end I cannot justify spending that kind of money for a tv that I enjoy the most when it is turned off.
post #279 of 309
So does anyone still own this TV?

I purchased a Sharp Elite a few months ago from BB. They were showing Avengers and another demo disc which show off how well this set does with blacks. Got a great deal on an "OPEN BOX". The PQ is outstanding and I love the black level, so I picked it up with full warranty and calibration.

Unfortunately when I got home, I noticed that what I should have demo'd was a snowy mountain scene or something with a white background as there is a thumbprint sized dim area in the middle of the set that you only see on white or really bright scenes, but now that I have, I can't NOT see it.

After fighting with BB warranty for two months (they would not just swap out the unit since it was "open box"), they have finally determined that it really is bad and they will replace it. Yay right? Not quite. Now comes the reason for me being on this thread. Even though they had 2 on display two months ago, it turns out that now there is not another Sharp Elite 70" within 100 miles of me, so the replacement will be one of similar features. Closest thing I can find that is not half the TV is this Samsung ES9000, especially with the recent price drop down to $7K.

So, to make a long story short, what my real question is, if money wasn't a factor or you could have picked up this set for $7K, would you still have it?

Also, is there a break in period on this set and if so, how long? The guy that came to calibrate my Elite said it should have a couple hundred hours on it before they want to calibrate it.
post #280 of 309
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Originally Posted by malbo1 View Post

So does anyone still own this TV?

I purchased a Sharp Elite a few months ago from BB. They were showing Avengers and another demo disc which show off how well this set does with blacks. Got a great deal on an "OPEN BOX". The PQ is outstanding and I love the black level, so I picked it up with full warranty and calibration.

Unfortunately when I got home, I noticed that what I should have demo'd was a snowy mountain scene or something with a white background as there is a thumbprint sized dim area in the middle of the set that you only see on white or really bright scenes, but now that I have, I can't NOT see it.

After fighting with BB warranty for two months (they would not just swap out the unit since it was "open box"), they have finally determined that it really is bad and they will replace it. Yay right? Not quite. Now comes the reason for me being on this thread. Even though they had 2 on display two months ago, it turns out that now there is not another Sharp Elite 70" within 100 miles of me, so the replacement will be one of similar features. Closest thing I can find that is not half the TV is this Samsung ES9000, especially with the recent price drop down to $7K.

So, to make a long story short, what my real question is, if money wasn't a factor or you could have picked up this set for $7K, would you still have it?

Also, is there a break in period on this set and if so, how long? The guy that came to calibrate my Elite said it should have a couple hundred hours on it before they want to calibrate it.

It largely depends on your viewing environment. I have mine in a light controlled room, walls painted a deep red, ceiling painted bronze-gold to cut down on reflected light. Not quite a bat cave but much darker than the average tv room. I have flashlighting in the corners that is pretty obvious when the tv is showing a mostly black image. The sharpness and color are very good. You will NOT get the same black level you enjoyed on the Elite, and to get "good" blacks on this tv you will need to engage at least one or more of the dimming features. These actually work surprisingly well considering the fact the it is edge lit, but they do occasionally have undesired effects on the picture.

I think I have been one of the most vocal people on this thread as far as the tv's shortcomings, and honestly, for me it is the cost vs performance ratio. This tv is not really "bad", but it is not worth more than half the original $10K pricetag either. For those of us coming from a tv with a better picture, like your Elite, it can be disappointing to see how bad the image is at this price range. Honestly, a closer tv in terms of performance would be the Sony HX950, I know you give up 5" on the Sony vs the Elite and gain 5" with the ES9000 but it is at least a full array local dimming set, vs the edge lighting on the ES9000.

IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

as for break-in, it doesn't use much electricity, so just leave it on for a few days,use slides or full screen material , on LCD's I don't think it makes much difference, but if that is what your calibrator is asking you to do, then you should follow their instructions.
post #281 of 309
I'm in the market for a 75" to 80" panel. The Sharp doesn't look as good to me as the ES9000. Do the ES9000 panels suffer form that horrible vertical banding that plagued the 65" ES8000 series ? I had the 65" and returned it because the banding was horrific and went for a 60" ES8000 which is far better. Do the ES9000 panels have the same issue ? I really don't mind spending the $$$$ but I can't tolerate vertical banding, period.

Or should I wait it out for this years F series 75" ? Is there any indication yet that it will be significantly better than the ES9000 ? I'm already reading reports of banding on the 55" F series, so it bothers me that the F series may not be any form of signifcpicant improvement.

1000
post #282 of 309
Ok, I caved. Rather than waiting for the F series I got a good deal on an ES9000 today and jumped at it. The main reason for doing it was the fact that the ES9000 tech seems to be a test-bed for this year's panels., not really much of a difference on paper are when you compare the ES9000 vs the F series and I didn't have the worry of getting a 75" panel with vertical banding. The reports of 55" F series panels with vertical banding really bothered me, and I was not happy to gamble this time around because this purchase is seeing me through until 4K is established and affordable.

First impressions coming from a 60" ES8000 and formerly a faulty 65" ES8000. Holy flapping ****.... The size jump is immense. I read a few posts RE the difference in size between panels and had little idea that the 15" diagonal jump would have such a big impact on the viewable screen area but everything they say is true... 60" to 75" really is a 50% approx jump in screen real estate. It's like the first time you walk into a cinema, it's like the feeling of going from a 30" CRT to a big 55" flat panel.

Secondary impressions are very favourable. I've spun up a bluray on it and the picture quality is fantastic. I have a tiny bit of light bleed from edges, which I expected as it comes with the edge-lit territory ... Bear in mind that this is on standard mode and out of the box settings with no adjustment at all. I can see that the backlight needs to come down, along with brightness and contrast and the colours are too "poppy" out of the box.

So far, I have zero regrets and can't wait to wall mount this big beautiful panel on my new dark chocolate wall.

1000
post #283 of 309
What did you pay for it? Thanks.
post #284 of 309
also looking into a new TV these are my choices ?

Samsung UN75ES9000
Sharp Elite PRO-70X5FD

Any thoughts...
post #285 of 309
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post

also looking into a new TV these are my choices ?

Samsung UN75ES9000
Sharp Elite PRO-70X5FD

Any thoughts...

I was faced with the exact same decision. I ultimately chose to go with a floor model Sharp. It cost me thousands less, and has a better picture. If you're willing to to spend the money on the 75" Samsung, I'd recommend ponying up a little more and getting the 84" UHD LG.
Edited by gweempose - 7/4/13 at 7:47am
post #286 of 309
LG 84LM9600 $10,900

didn't get quite the good reviews as the others...

Elite PRO70X5FD $7,990.00
refub $5500

Samsung UN75ES9000 $5,797.99
refub $5500
post #287 of 309
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Originally Posted by motogp34 View Post

LG 84LM9600 $10,900

didn't get quite the good reviews as the others...

Elite PRO70X5FD $7,990.00
refub $5500

Samsung UN75ES9000 $5,797.99
refub $5500

Just curious, where did you read all the poor reviews?
post #288 of 309
i didn't say bad reviews, just not as good as the other 2
just did a Google search
post #289 of 309
The main complaint people have about the LG is that it has some vertical banding. Other than that, it seems like people are mostly blown away by the picture it produces. I would have strongly considered it instead of the 70" Elite, as I was in the market for a larger set. Unfortunately, they were still selling for $16,000 at the time, at that was just too steep. Ultimately, I decided to go with the Elite over the 75" Sammy because I thought it had a better overall picture. I figured I'd save money, enjoy the Elite for now, and then upgrade to an 80-90 inch UHD TV 4-5 years from now.
post #290 of 309
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

The main complaint people have about the LG is that it has some vertical banding. Other than that, it seems like people are mostly blown away by the picture it produces. I would have strongly considered it instead of the 70" Elite, as I was in the market for a larger set. Unfortunately, they were still selling for $16,000 at the time, at that was just too steep. Ultimately, I decided to go with the Elite over the 75" Sammy because I thought it had a better overall picture. I figured I'd save money, enjoy the Elite for now, and then upgrade to an 80-90 inch UHD TV 4-5 years from now.

Yep, I can't argue about that. All of them to some degree or another have banding. On some sets It's very faint, while on others It's very prominent. Other that that, the PQ is phenomenal! And on a large variety of content this TV's PQ is jaw dropping! 3D is especially impressive! Nearly all LG 84" owners have zero complaints on black levels, colors, clouding, flashlighting, light bleed, motion blur, etc. If the banding is ever resolved, this TV's image quality is the best I have personally seen.
post #291 of 309
Chad B has left the building...

and left amazing results for both of the screens in the house.

The Samsung UN75ES9000 is looking great even though it is tuned to the Disney Channel most of the day. (The eight year old rules the roost smile.gif ) The results are as they say - from night to day. 2d and 3d are looking awesome.

The Panny 60/VT60 is drop dead gorgeous. I have been playing with a DIY calibration but the right tools and professional eye really make the difference. I have a great set of golf clubs but still aint no Tiger Woods or even a rank amateur but I do enjoy it. The same with having the "tools" of a calibrator. I bow to the experts as Chad is. The set is looking better than I could have hoped.

As for Chad's professional and dedication to perfection, I was very impressed. I am a consultant myself and understand the mindset needed for this type of business. Chad was on the mark with knowledge and explaining all the nuances that it entails. Of course I probably didn't help asking all my geek questions as my niece calls them.

Chad was prompt and professional to the core. I highly recommend him.

And he is just on of those "good guys" you are always happy to met.

Thanks Chad for the great work.
post #292 of 309
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Originally Posted by smc View Post

Chad B has left the building...

and left amazing results for both of the screens in the house.

The Samsung UN75ES9000 is looking great even though it is tuned to the Disney Channel most of the day. (The eight year old rules the roost smile.gif ) The results are as they say - from night to day. 2d and 3d are looking awesome.

The Panny 60/VT60 is drop dead gorgeous. I have been playing with a DIY calibration but the right tools and professional eye really make the difference. I have a great set of golf clubs but still aint no Tiger Woods or even a rank amateur but I do enjoy it. The same with having the "tools" of a calibrator. I bow to the experts as Chad is. The set is looking better than I could have hoped.

As for Chad's professional and dedication to perfection, I was very impressed. I am a consultant myself and understand the mindset needed for this type of business. Chad was on the mark with knowledge and explaining all the nuances that it entails. Of course I probably didn't help asking all my geek questions as my niece calls them.

Chad was prompt and professional to the core. I highly recommend him.

And he is just on of those "good guys" you are always happy to met.

Thanks Chad for the great work.
Wow, a 75ES9000 and a 60VT60. Your house is obviously not lacking in the TV category.
post #293 of 309
Now that this is being discounted are there any thoughts about picking up the 75ES9000 vs 75F7100 since they are currently the same price. Could always add the EK to the es9000 for the newer smart hub. Or wait until the F8000 falls in price early next year?
Thanks
Lloyd
post #294 of 309
Good question. I have not participated in this forum in quite a while ,but i am about to pull the trigger on the es9000. Am I nuts, or should I just purchase the 75 inch f 7100. I know it's my decision ,but i would be interested in hearing any thoughts on this. Thanks ,,,,,,,Joe
post #295 of 309
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Originally Posted by lgroveman View Post

Now that this is being discounted are there any thoughts about picking up the 75ES9000 vs 75F7100 since they are currently the same price. Could always add the EK to the es9000 for the newer smart hub. Or wait until the F8000 falls in price early next year?
Thanks
Lloyd

Samsung's site lists the UN75ES9000 as $7000
The UN75F7100 as $5000

The UN75ES9000 is the same price as the UN75F8000
Wonder why the UN75ES9000 is not discounted.

The ES9000 and F8000 will have better PQ over the F7100

Any confirmation about if there's any difference in PQ between the ES9000 and F8000?
If they're the same price, one would go for the F8000 for it has the quad core and other bells and whistles the ES9000 does not.
Edited by bekindrewind - 7/12/13 at 5:07pm
post #296 of 309
Thanks for your response . Just to confirm,I am nuts. I purchased the es9000 last night for $6000 at amazon. I didn't need the bells & whistles of the f8000 plus I could always upgrade with the evo kit . thanks again ...... Joe
post #297 of 309
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Originally Posted by JLOR View Post

Thanks for your response . Just to confirm,I am nuts. I purchased the es9000 last night for $6000 at amazon. I didn't need the bells & whistles of the f8000 plus I could always upgrade with the evo kit . thanks again ...... Joe

I think Samsung made more changes than what the software evo kit will provide.
I heard Samsung moved the heat creating items in the F8000 to different locations than where they were in the ES line.
It seems the heat from those items were causing the flash lighting and clouding in the ES line.

Look at the back panel of the ES8000 line vs the back panel of the F line.

Maybe that does not apply to the ES9000?
Just throwing out that the F line seems to have made a big improvement in lack of halos, flashlighting and clouding.
post #298 of 309
I bought a ES9000 at BB on clearance for Half what it retailed for. It is being shipped from TX because they were out here in northern cali. I know they still have floor model here at 10% with 1 year manufacturer warranty. I would go into BB to look at TV's for the last month or two. They had the 7100 on display. These were retailing for $5500 (am I going to be shunned for prices?) In the back ground they had the TV I really wanted the ES9000. The PQ was so much better it deterred me from buying the 7100. On the 3rd or 4th go around of these a sales guy at another BB said the es9000 was being put on clearance for $5k and I immediately called the sales guy at Magnolia and said I am heading over order me up and get paperwork ready. This was a no brainer since they are still selling for over $6K used online. PM me and I will give you number of BB where floor model is. I know that they are pretty much out because he said NJ had a few and when I arrived he was shipping it from a TX BB. I can't wait since I have been looking at the Dark Grey "night scenes" of my first Gen Sharp 70" and hating it for the last year. Hope this helps some people.

Derreck
post #299 of 309
I also got a UN75ES9000 from BB...my first expensive all-video purchase and my first major purchase from BB. I'm more than happy so far but wonder if anyone would share their calibration settings? I'd like to try calibrating it myself with the Joe Kane disk but would love to compare with other enthusiasts. Also, can anyone comment on how uniform the optimal settings are between Samsung models? Many thanks.
post #300 of 309
Where can I find a wall mount bracket that would work on the F8000 or a 75" flat? Looking for suggestions from those who mounted yours and also how high you placed it above the floor?
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