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post #31 of 183
Wait, what about the insulators that keep wires from touching the ground Bahahahah
post #32 of 183
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My vote goes for the thread linked in my signature. I think just about everybody on the forum took a swing at trying to educate this guy. The first couple posts set the tone for the whole thread.
Thank you. One of the most entertaining threads I have seen in a while. He can almost be convinced gravity is real too.
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My vote goes for the thread linked in my signature. I think just about everybody on the forum took a swing at trying to educate this guy. The first couple posts set the tone for the whole thread.

Wow, that was an amazing thread. I only made it through the first page or so. Too painful to continue! biggrin.gif
post #34 of 183
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Wow, that was an amazing thread. I only made it through the first page or so. Too painful to continue! biggrin.gif

The thing about that thread is if you ignore everything written by ymalmsteen887, it's actually a very educational thread which would provide a good basic foundation on audio concepts. There are actually a lot of very thoughtful and informative posts to be read.
post #35 of 183
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Originally Posted by DanLW View Post

The thing about that thread is if you ignore everything written by ymalmsteen887, it's actually a very educational thread which would provide a good basic foundation on audio concepts. There are actually a lot of very thoughtful and informative posts to be read.
I'm a further 50 or so posts into it and what strikes me is that although there are several people whom are trying to help he has the basic concepts so muddled and misunderstood, and have seen little evidence of YM doing some real thinking to try to understand. What he needed was someone to say, shut up, listen, lets start from the very basics and move on from there.

I'll keep reading and see how it plays out.
post #36 of 183
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I'm a further 50 or so posts into it and what strikes me is that although there are several people whom are trying to help he has the basic concepts so muddled and misunderstood, and have seen little evidence of YM doing some real thinking to try to understand. What he needed was someone to say, shut up, listen, lets start from the very basics and move on from there.
I'll keep reading and see how it plays out.

I started thinking that the OP was playing some nice people who were trying to be helpful.
post #37 of 183
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Originally Posted by DanLW View Post

My vote goes for the thread linked in my signature. I think just about everybody on the forum took a swing at trying to educate this guy. The first couple posts set the tone for the whole thread.

oh my... i remember that train wreck....

while it may not be the biggest piece of baloney, it certainly is up there in terms of one poster both having incredible stamina and being incredibly wrong (not to mention being incredibly stubborn)... smile.gif
post #38 of 183
Bose kicks arse???
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Originally Posted by Ethan Winer View Post

Excellent, LOL at all of that. BTW, the BBB is not so clean itself. They were exposed for giving businesses poor ratings unless they paid $400 per year to become members. Then they got good ratings even if many people had complained about them. I saw an exposé on that a few months ago, with quotes from a number of business owners.
--Ethan

That is correct. They are also not an official government agency as many think. They are just a collection of non profit organizations and if you actually call them and complain about a vendor there is virtually nothing they can do at all from a legal standpoint. Many people over the years have contacted them with issues with no actipns at all taken on their part. Not even sure why they still exist. Kinda like the IOC charging a fee to Korea so that they could protest the bogus result of that womens fencing match with Germany. Having to pay a fee to appeal a horrific ruling, LOL... Ahhhhhhh, the true spirit of amateur competition........... biggrin.gif
post #40 of 183
Well as far as my personal favorites go, Ill have to go with good old Mark Levinson and his $3500 blueray player which cost over three times what THE EXACT SAME blueray player from OPPO cost. Same exact innerds!!! Of course their marketing spin babbled on and on about imagined superiority, blah blah blah... Burp
post #41 of 183
^^ Lexicon did the same thing for IIRC $5k
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^^ Lexicon did the same thing for IIRC $5k

Yeah, almost as comical as Simaudios silly $20k prepro with the clearly dated Faroudja video chip and only two hdmi inputs. Then they offer a ridiculous $2500 hdmi switcher to customers to make up for the lack of inputs on their $20 k prepro. And of course that Koolaide device could not even handle full speed hdmi 1.3 speeds, but at $2500 it was a baaaaaahgain. LOL
post #43 of 183
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Well as far as my personal favorites go, Ill have to go with good old Mark Levinson and his $3500 blueray player which cost over three times what THE EXACT SAME blueray player from OPPO cost. Same exact innerds!!! Of course their marketing spin babbled on and on about imagined superiority, blah blah blah... Burp
I think you are confusing Lexicon with Mark Levinson. I don't recall a Blu-ray player under Mark Levinson brand.
post #44 of 183
Mark Levinson (the man) actually deserves a place on this thread for his advocacy of the crackpot 'digital audio causes muscle weakness' claim.
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Mark Levinson (the man) actually deserves a place on this thread for his advocacy of the crackpot 'digital audio causes muscle weakness' claim.

LOL, I'd forgotten about that one. Wasn't good old Dr. Diamond in on that one too?
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Mark Levinson (the man) actually deserves a place on this thread for his advocacy of the crackpot 'digital audio causes muscle weakness' claim.
Well, if you ever meet the man in person, you realize that is the least bit thing that is odd about him smile.gif. OK, more odd is co-writing a book with Kim Cattrall when he was married to her titled Satisfaction: The Art of the Female Orgasm. This is Kim if you have never watched Sex and the City HBO series/movies:

kc_ny.jpg

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post #47 of 183
Probably not the biggest baloney but I had a room mate who worked at Best Buy and was a DJ. He was convinced that you had to buy 89.99 Rocket crap brand HDMI cables. I explained that those 1's and 0's are all going to get to the same destination on the $0.78 HDMI 1.3 cable I have as they will on the 89.99 one of the same specs. I even showed him this one post on I believe a Sony website where an electrical engineer in broadcast explain the concept of Digital Audio/Video transmission....he still insisted on buying overpriced cables because of his "employee discount"... I don't care if you do get a discount! Why spend any money on overpriced cables? I can send 8ch's of 96khz Uncompressed PCM over HDMI from my MacBook Pro....and it will go over any HDMI cable with ease and sound the same vs some other $100 cable :O
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Originally Posted by Breako View Post

Well as far as my personal favorites go, Ill have to go with good old Mark Levinson and his $3500 blueray player which cost over three times what THE EXACT SAME blueray player from OPPO cost. Same exact innerds!!! Of course their marketing spin babbled on and on about imagined superiority, blah blah blah... Burp
I remember that...lmao, they tore it apart and all the internals were exactly the same, not one difference!
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Mark Levinson (the man) actually deserves a place on this thread for his advocacy of the crackpot 'digital audio causes muscle weakness' claim.
In all seriousness is that a joke or was it a serious thought?
post #48 of 183
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Originally Posted by krabapple View Post

Mark Levinson (the man) actually deserves a place on this thread for his advocacy of the crackpot 'digital audio causes muscle weakness' claim.
In all seriousness is that a joke or was it a serious thought?

It is actually serious! I did a bit of searching, and so far the best I could come up with is this link and this one.
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John Diamond, M.D.,
D.P.M., F.R.A.N.Z.C.P., M.R.C.Psych., F.I.A.P.M., D.I.B.A.K.
B.S. A.R.T.I.S.T.
post #49 of 183
Bi-wiring.
post #50 of 183
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Originally Posted by nateo200 View Post

Probably not the biggest baloney but I had a room mate who worked at Best Buy and was a DJ. He was convinced that you had to buy 89.99 Rocket crap brand HDMI cables. I explained that those 1's and 0's are all going to get to the same destination on the $0.78 HDMI 1.3 cable I have as they will on the 89.99 one of the same specs. I even showed him this one post on I believe a Sony website where an electrical engineer in broadcast explain the concept of Digital Audio/Video transmission....he still insisted on buying overpriced cables because of his "employee discount"... I don't care if you do get a discount! Why spend any money on overpriced cables? I can send 8ch's of 96khz Uncompressed PCM over HDMI from my MacBook Pro....and it will go over any HDMI cable with ease and sound the same vs some other $100 cable :O
Well as a matter of how science of digital audio works, that is not the case. It simply is not just 1s and 0s. Here is an article I wrote for Widescreen Review magazine that explains why: http://www.madronadigital.com/Library/DigitalAudioJitter.html

That's not to say that such cables automatically make an audible difference. I personally don't shop for audio fidelity when it comes to HDMI cables (there are far bigger fish as far as the darn thing working at all!). But when we are talking about the science, we better be accurate about it. And saying it is all the same simply does not reflect how the technology works. And oh, one of my previous jobs was VP of engineering at a company that build broadcast video equipment. While I had some of the best video engineers in the world there, I would not expect any of them to know how consumer audio works. It is a different world than what happens in the pro world and at any rate, transmission and full reproduction to analog stage are two different animals (and source of confusion among even professional engineers). Again, all explained in the article.

Net, net, what your DJ friend said may have very well been baloney but not for the reason stated smile.gif.
post #51 of 183
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WTF Is "Net, net" supposed to mean?

Never mind biggrin.gif.
Edited by rock_bottom - 8/7/12 at 10:04pm
post #52 of 183
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Well as a matter of how science of digital audio works, that is not the case. It simply is not just 1s and 0s. Here is an article I wrote for Widescreen Review magazine that explains why:
Talking about digital audio and you link to a page that says, "the conversation turns into “yes but… is it audible?” As unfair as it might be, I am going to punt that question." rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
post #53 of 183
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It is actually serious! I did a bit of searching, and so far the best I could come up with is this link and this one

Holy cow. Maybe he's a Doctor of Divinity? biggrin.gif
post #54 of 183
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Well, if you ever meet the man in person, you realize that is the least bit thing that is odd about him smile.gif. OK, more odd is co-writing a book with Kim Cattrall when he was married to her titled Satisfaction: The Art of the Female Orgasm. This is Kim if you have never watched Sex and the City HBO series/movies:
kc_ny.jpg
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Levinson was married to Cattrall?
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Levinson was married to Cattrall?
Was indeed! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Cattrall

"From 1998 to 2004, she was married to audio designer Mark Levinson. The two co-wrote the 2002 book Satisfaction: The Art of the Female Orgasm."
post #56 of 183
A good example of audio poo is the lessloss blackbody.
post #57 of 183
If you take any two wires, even the same make and model for that matter, there will always be very subtle, measurable differences in the exact values of R, C, L, etc. and consequentially there can be a small impact on things like the load they put on the amplifier, jitter, etc., but as long as these values fall within certain acceptable tolerances, easily met by even some very inexpensive wires , the differences are completely inconsequential to how we use HDMI cables and will have no discernible impact on the sound or image.
Edited by m. zillch - 8/8/12 at 10:45am
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Holy cow. Maybe he's a Doctor of Divinity? biggrin.gif

LOL. The AES library page that lists one of his letters to the editor shows his organization as, "Institutes for the Enhancement of Life Energy and Creativity". I wonder if that's like the "League for Spiritual Development"? biggrin.gif
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LOL. The AES library page that lists one of his letters to the editor shows his organization as, "Institutes for the Enhancement of Life Energy and Creativity". I wonder if that's like the "League for Spiritual Development"? biggrin.gif

Two words: Chiropractic Doctor.
post #60 of 183
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Was indeed! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Cattrall
"From 1998 to 2004, she was married to audio designer Mark Levinson. The two co-wrote the 2002 book Satisfaction: The Art of the Female Orgasm."

That was circulated within the industry back in the day.

Long story short Harman owns Levinson's name, and has used it on a line of car audio that some Japanese manufacturers have licensed.

Very sad story behind the scenes.
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