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post #61 of 134
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Originally Posted by Rubicon_Joey View Post

I've seen other airplay speakers in the market and thought they were pretty neat. What makes the Libratone better than the other offerings from companies like Klipsch or Bowers & Wilkins?

Some of the major differences vs. our competitors is that LIbratone speakers are using high quality ribbon tweeters & we have our own app that allows you to control DSP settings on the speakers! Libratone also supports the newest software packages from Apple – the only company to support WMM (WiFi Multi Media Quality of Service) giving priority to A/V packages over WiFi network which reduces dropouts on heavy loaded networks :-)
post #62 of 134
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Originally Posted by seraph View Post

What kind of WiFi support is integrated in? 802.11b/g/n on the 2.4GHz band?
I don't see any screen or input device on it so I was wondering how you enter your ESSID + WEP/WPA/WPA2 keys, etc. Do you have to connect it to a PC first and configure it?

We support all 802.11 formats except for "n". Our speakers are configured thru an iDevice. It an extremely easy process :-).
post #63 of 134
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post #64 of 134
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

what kinds of media are supported, ie, lossless (flac?) etc...

Good question as you can load high quality material in to iTunes if your settings are right for it. I have my settings for import at lossless so everything is encoded and can be recreated bit-exact.

The module itself supports only 44.1kHz and up to a maximum of 24 bits, though in our current implementation (as with all other manufacturers products) we are restricted to 16 bit so normal CD quality. The reason is memory restrictions of the module we use – you can get more expensive modules with more memory which supports higher sample rates and deeper bit width but nobody are using these versions and it would also require more stable networks maybe even wired connections.

A 24 bit 192 kHz stream with overhead it is a 32 bit stream requires a steady effective 6Mbit stream which is nearly impossible to get on most wireless networks so I doubt we will see any "high-end" AirPlay products in the market supporting this.

The good thing though is that the implementation we have introduces extremely low jitter as we are doing a good work in clock recovery and the transmission is full digital all the way through the chain in contrast to all other products in the market.
post #65 of 134
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I could use some wireless speakers for my dining room, kitchen and outside...especially outside where I could easily bring them in indoors. Do I need Airplay on my AVR?

Airplay is actually built into our speakers! All you need is an iDevice or your MAC or PC to stream your iTunes music :-)
post #66 of 134
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

You say that the device automatically switches between AirPlay and Aux when you connect a cable to the speakers, is there any way to leave a cable wired up full time (e.g. to a TV) and have it switch over to AirPlay when it receives a signal from an iPod or iTunes?

That's exactly what our speakers do :-)
post #67 of 134
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Originally Posted by latebloomer View Post

The speakers look very stylish. This is something that I think that my wife wouldn't mind. I have been looking into a wireless sound system that we can both utilize. We're not interested in a AV Receiver since we're not interested in something that takes up too much space.
I'm having a hard time finding a good audio solution for her. Her requirements are that it has to be good looking (she doesn't want anything that could be an eye-sore; especially when we have guests over) and it must be easy to use (less controls on the device is better). My requirement is that it has to sound great! This is something that I would be able to use in our kitchen/dining area. We spend a considerable amount of our day here.
Using airplay is definitely a plus! We have iPhones, iPads, and Macbook Pros that could leverage the wireless technology. This means that my wife doesn't have to learn how to use a complex audio system.
The specs on the speakers sound good.
I have a couple of questions...
1. What sample rates does the speaker system support? Does it support 24-bit/192kHz audio on its DAC?
2. Can you change the settings of the speaker using an iPad and Mac Os? I don't want to depend on one type of device to change the device configuration.
3. Do you have any plans in the future to add a line out for a powered subwoofer?
4. What is the power consumption like when not active. Does it go into standby mode? I wouldn't want to turn the device on/off all the time.
5. Since the device doesn't come with a remote, how would you change the input of the speaker when you have multiple sources? (i.e. tv, iPhone, etc)

Great questions!
1. The module itself supports only 44.1kHz and up to a maximum of 24 bits, though in our current implementation (as with all other manufacturers products) we are restricted to 16 bit so normal CD quality. The reason is memory restrictions of the module we use – you can get more expensive modules with more memory which supports higher sample rates and deeper bit width but nobody are using these versions and it would also require more stable networks maybe even wired connections.

A 24 bit 192 kHz stream with overhead it is a 32 bit stream requires a steady effective 6Mbit stream which is nearly impossible to get on most wireless networks so I doubt we will see any "high-end" AirPlay products in the market supporting this.

The good thing though is that the implementation we have introduces extremely low jitter as we are doing a good work in clock recovery and the transmission is full digital all the way through the chain in contrast to all other products in the market.
2. Yes, we have our own Libratone app that can be download. It can do Full Room Optimization & Voicing :-)
3. Currently, we do not, but you never know :-)
4. Unit always goes to standby once you leave the AirPlay mode.
5. Everything is controlled from an iDevice or MAC/PC from iTunes.
post #68 of 134
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Originally Posted by Ernstmach View Post

I'm interested in the sound quality as compared to wired speakers. Also sound levels and range. Are outdoor versions available? I could use more speakers on my patio!

Outdoor versions are currently not available. Maybe in the near future :-)
post #69 of 134
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Originally Posted by DoctorCAD View Post

I've blown through 2 sets of RCA wireless speakers in 4 years. Not exactly what I would call reliable, but the price was only $150 a set. The sending unit sits on top of my entertainment stand (undisturbed) and the speakers sit on the end tables (undisturbed except to turn them on and off). No abuse or even out-of-the-ordinary use.
For $700, these better last a long time without electronic failures. I'd hate to spend that kind of money on a 2 year speaker. What is the life expectancy of these? I know all about wireless signals breaking up, but once I found a reliable channel and a reliable location, I've had no problems with the RCA wireless technology. I do live next to an airport and sometimes get a cross-talk signal if the weather is just right. Is the Air Play a better technology?

With any electronic device is hard to determine the longevity. All I can say is that at Libratone, built quality & using the best parts are on top of our list. We have an extremely low defective rate. We believe Airplay is definitely the better choice for streaming your music. That's why it's built into our speakers :-)
post #70 of 134
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Originally Posted by ShoutingMan View Post

How will they hold up under the humidity of a bathroom? I'd like to be able to listen to podcasts or music in the shower; morning radio and DJ chatter gets tiresome.


In short - no....MDF cabinets can't stand moisture over time, neither can the drivers we are using, they are not coated for this. Not to say that maybe in the near future we could design an outdoor product.
post #71 of 134
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Originally Posted by ZHD1 View Post

I would use airplay speakers in the bathroom, garage and outdoor
Will Libratone be making a moisture resistant product?

Currently there are no plans for a moisture resistant product. Maybe in the near future :-)
post #72 of 134
I would plan on flipping it between use on the deck in the summer and the garage in the winter. That way I'd be covered in sound regardless of the season.
post #73 of 134
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

What a great idea for a contest and this would be a God-send for me!
To point #1: I have a very high-end main system that I use for both 7.1 and 2-channel listening and a secondary all architectural setup. However, in my home office I have no speakers! My system has been fully integrated with Airplay with both an AppleTV and an older Mac that I use as my media hub on my network that I stream my entire library from. I use my iPad and iPhone to control my various libraries and stream accordingly. You can tell that I absolutely love audio and I'm passionate about it.
In my home office, I'd simply love to have some wireless speakers. It would give me the real flexibility I need for placement and also tie into my existing, extensive infrastructure.
To point #2: Now, how on earth are you getting 360 degree sound from these? The footprint doesn't look very big and they also appear to be (?) wall mountable or is that just a standard handle for carrying the units.
In terms of the app control, so that's how you are managing the volume, etc. Leave it to the Scandinavians to have the clean lines and sleek thinking!
Finally, I looked at Sonos in the past. How does your product compare or contrast with the Sonos solution? Your stuff looks a whole lot better than their design does!!
Thanks guys. Looks like a really slick product and I wish you every success in the market.
Theo

Libratone Live and Lounge play like acoustic instruments, dispersing sound waves in multiple directions, reflecting them off the walls. This eliminates the sweet spot and gives you a 360° sound experience. To get a bit more technical, inside the cabinets there are five units each driven by dedicated audiophile amplifiers and each dedicated to spreading sound in a specific direction. This setup means that the system both spreads the sound and encapsulates you in it. The Live is not wall mountable but with our beautiful chrome handle it can be moved from room to room with ease. We feel we have the best sounding Airplay speakers in the industry. Backed by our MDF cabinets, ribbon tweeters & high quality 150W digital amplifiers! And our designs are simply amazing! Thank you for the great comments!
post #74 of 134
I would use wireless speakers both inside and outside my home. It would be very convenient to move the speakers from room to room as needed depending on where music was desired. The AirPlay feature is definitely a must so iPad or IPod Touch music collections can be streamed.

We now have a pool, so wireless speakers outside on the pool deck are on my shopping list.
post #75 of 134
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Originally Posted by blipszyc View Post

Will each speaker be truly wireless or will there need to be some sort of hub that connects them.

Our speakers stream your iTunes music completely wirelessly :-). We achieve this by using Airplay technology in our speakers. All you need is to plug them into a power outlet.
post #76 of 134
Wireless speakers are very convenient. However, the "wireless" always seems to trump the "speaker". Translation: Most wireless products are low-quality junk. How did Libratone address the challenge of producing not just speaker with no wires or something nice to look at, but a speaker that actually sounds good?
post #77 of 134
I'd use the wireless speakers for my zone 2 that I would use outdoors, in my office or in my kitchen. Being wireless means I could take them anywhere with access to an outlet
post #78 of 134
Looks neat. Like others I would be interested in them for outdoor use.

Is Airplay the only way to feed them?
post #79 of 134
How would I use these?
Well with 2 teenage daughters and a son in college locally that's easy!

One daugther plays three sports: Basketball, Volleyball, and Softball.
The other plays Volleyball.
We are the home of choice for team parties and get togethers!
Nothing like having a dozen girls in the basement making tie-dyed t-shirts for their team.
Sure would be nice to have a real and portable speaker for them. They are never quite happy with the result of turning up their iPhones/iPods (girls are LOUD!)
When they move outside to the patio for the potluck it would be great to pickup the speaker and move it out as well. Won't even drop a song in the middle!
We will have to keep it away from the pool but when the girls are in the water the adults can have a little music of their own ; )

As for the boy, he's more inclined to play pool or air-hockey with his buds and this would be a great fit!

Better stop here as I am beginning to drool on the keyboard!!

Paul
post #80 of 134
Count me in the group very interested in something made for outdoor use.

I'm wondering, what are the options for playing music to more than one unit using the same iDevice? Could I have multiple Libratones going at the same time w/ the same source?
post #81 of 134
As long as the sound quality is there I'd love to be able to use my Zone 2 from my Amp to send music to another room which, in our historic home, is too difficult and expensive to do.
post #82 of 134
I'll be going off to college next year, so it would be awesome to have a wireless system that I could take along with me.

My question is, are there any ways to use this system with an Android phone?
post #83 of 134
I'm not sure if these will work outdoors or perhaps I could build an enclosure for them but this is EXACTLY what I'm looking for for our new backyard. I want to show family movies outside and haven't found a way wirelessly to transmit the audio. These would work splendidly!
post #84 of 134
I could use the Libratone in my bedroom I don't have any Apple devices though.
post #85 of 134
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Originally Posted by Libratone View Post

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I could use some wireless speakers for my dining room, kitchen and outside...especially outside where I could easily bring them in indoors. Do I need Airplay on my AVR?

Airplay is actually built into our speakers! All you need is an iDevice or your MAC or PC to stream your iTunes music :-)

Thanks, but I have no idea what an iDevice is...I usually only use the computer to store and record onto an iPod nano and burn discs. I am googling now...and apparently I don't have an iDevice unless it is a feature of iTunes?
post #86 of 134
I can barely imagine all the possible uses for me - just the ability to carry it anywhere in the house or with my iPhone. Wow! Just endless...
post #87 of 134
I love wireless. I prefer wireless over wired on anything I can get. I also like battery operated tools and anything else.
Wires are evil. They are out to get you. Wires trip you are bad to look at ad limit your choices.I like the ability to move
things and not have wires prevent me from placing things where I want. How would I use wireless speakers easy.
I have a TV HT room and I have a room where my computer lives. To be able to play music from my sound system
and hear it in the comp room without the need to cut holes and run wires fantastic. If I want to move them later then
I have no limits by wires as to where I can move them.Give me as many wireless things as practical.
post #88 of 134
These would make a great addition to at least 5 rooms in our house! What's the typical range?
post #89 of 134
I would use this to elminate my wire clutter, as my media room is a "loft" area. So my wires run through where people sit, which sucks.

My question is would you consider a rounded curvature enclosure as that would make the sound crisper and output more audio from the source material? I see that is is square shaped with round edges, but I would think circular would be better?
post #90 of 134
I would use it in my basement. I recently put in a pool table and have no way of getting sound to the basement. This would be an ideal situation.
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