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post #1141 of 1445
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for the heads up. I guess the S30 and S60 put that idea into my empty head. Still, wouldn't a better comparison be between the ST50 and the ST60 unless the S60 is supposed to be the same as the ST50?

I wasn't comparing those particular models, I was looking at the comparison chart below and comparing the ST50 to the ST60.
post #1142 of 1445
I know that, but you have to scroll down. The comparison charts cover all models.
post #1143 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RodK View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for the heads up. I guess the S30 and S60 put that idea into my empty head. Still, wouldn't a better comparison be between the ST50 and the ST60 unless the S60 is supposed to be the same as the ST50?

I wasn't comparing those particular models, I was looking at the comparison chart below and comparing the ST50 to the ST60.
It looks like a change in terminology.
post #1144 of 1445
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Originally Posted by remush View Post

Forum member Urga brought this up in the S60 thread, it's a euro st60 discussion. Now I'm not familiar with this forum or with the reviewer, but he seams very impressed with the euro st60, even mentioning better blacks than the vt50. This is the translated discussion link

http://tIranslate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hdtv.com.pl%2Fforum%2Fnewsy%2F95858-przyjechala-na-testy-nowa-plazma-panasonica-50st60-prosze-o-pytania-do-testu-3.html

I doubt the st60 has better blacks then the VT50. Although I wouldnt doubt if the VT60 was slightly better
post #1145 of 1445
If the ST60 really does have better blacks than the VT50, that would be awesome! I too have my doubts though.
post #1146 of 1445
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

You are comparing the S60 to the ST50. Shouldn't you be comparing the S60 to the S50?

The S60 replaces the U50, but has more features and more picture settings and now gets the Pro Settings menu like the higher models have.
post #1147 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

If the ST60 really does have better blacks than the VT50, that would be awesome! I too have my doubts though.
We are running out of room if this be the case. Where does that put the best unit at? Possibly no better?
post #1148 of 1445
I doubt the ST60 has any better blacks than last year, but all displays made today still have plenty of room for improvement as they are not matching CRT or kuro.
post #1149 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The S60's MSRP (as well as X60 and ST60 series) were all announced back in mid-January, and some were revised downward a few weeks ago.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1451436/official-panasonic-2013-lineup-and-information-thread

The S60 series Owners Manual and E-Help Manuals are available for download too.


Thanks, Randy, obviously I missed that. BTW, I saw the 50 inch S60 in Sears today and was impressed, especially considering it replaces the U50. It was right below a very nice Toshiba LED and while the difference in brightness was noticeable it was not nearly so much as in the past. There was a U50 model close by and you could see the S60 was brighter and had a better PQ overall, so the difference in the U to S model is already a considerable improvement IMO. Can't wait to see the ST and VT models.
post #1150 of 1445
better black level would be nice, but I really wish they would improve video processing (for 1080i/720p).
post #1151 of 1445
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

better black level would be nice, but I really wish they would improve video processing (for 1080i/720p).

I'll get into trouble for saying this, but I think even the lowly Samsung E530 does better with my Fios HD channels than the VT50. Less motion artifacts and less obvious dither noise. But I'm going by memory and not looking side by side so I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

We are running out of room if this be the case. Where does that put the best unit at? Possibly no better?

But, but, we're going past Kuro. To the reference, and beyond!! smile.gif
post #1152 of 1445
Video processing of less than stellar sources is a weakness in some cases for the pannys
post #1153 of 1445
Has anyone else read the short ZT60 vs ST60 article over on HDGizmo's? Popped up on my Google Alert (searching for stuff on "Panasonic ST60") this morning. They seem to think that the ST60 is going to be a darn good deal (I hope so since I'm on the pre-order list with CP).
post #1154 of 1445
It looks like the ST60 will be a much better deal for the price than the ST50 was a year ago, but i imagine the performance gap between the ST60 and ZT60 will be more substantial than it was between the ST50/VT50 last year. I'm more curious as to how the ST60 will stack up against the VT60.
post #1155 of 1445
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Originally Posted by psklenar View Post

Has anyone else read the short ZT60 vs ST60 article over on HDGizmo's? Popped up on my Google Alert (searching for stuff on "Panasonic ST60") this morning. They seem to think that the ST60 is going to be a darn good deal (I hope so since I'm on the pre-order list with CP).

Did they actually have the tvs to review?
post #1156 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

..., but i imagine the performance gap between the ST60 and ZT60 will be more substantial than it was between the ST50/VT50 last year.

I'm curious as to why you would say that. Do you have any facts to share that make you feel that way? I kinda suspect (no facts, just a hunch) that the VT60 will be essentially the same as the VT50 but cheaper and with one less HDMI input (after all it's no longer the flagship). So any noticeable improvement in the ST would narrow the difference, right? After all, they dropped the GT because nobody wanted to pay a considerable price penalty for a minor improvement over the ST50. So if the ST60 is upgraded and essentally taking the prior performance slot of the GT then how could it not narrow the gap between it and the mostly unchanged VT60? Or is the VT60 getting any significant enhancements (I don't see how it could since it is now no. 2 on the Panasonic performance chart).
post #1157 of 1445
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

I'm curious as to why you would say that. Do you have any facts to share that make you feel that way? I kinda suspect (no facts, just a hunch) that the VT60 will be essentially the same as the VT50 but cheaper and with one less HDMI input (after all it's no longer the flagship). So any noticeable improvement in the ST would narrow the difference, right? After all, they dropped the GT because nobody wanted to pay a considerable price penalty for a minor improvement over the ST50. So if the ST60 is upgraded and essentally taking the prior performance slot of the GT then how could it not narrow the gap between it and the mostly unchanged VT60? Or is the VT60 getting any significant enhancements (I don't see how it could since it is now no. 2 on the Panasonic performance chart).

The VT60 has a new phosphor system as well as new video processing engine.
post #1158 of 1445
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

I'm curious as to why you would say that. Do you have any facts to share that make you feel that way? I kinda suspect (no facts, just a hunch) that the VT60 will be essentially the same as the VT50 but cheaper and with one less HDMI input (after all it's no longer the flagship). So any noticeable improvement in the ST would narrow the difference, right? After all, they dropped the GT because nobody wanted to pay a considerable price penalty for a minor improvement over the ST50. So if the ST60 is upgraded and essentally taking the prior performance slot of the GT then how could it not narrow the gap between it and the mostly unchanged VT60? Or is the VT60 getting any significant enhancements (I don't see how it could since it is now no. 2 on the Panasonic performance chart).

I believe Randy was referring to the ZT60 (not the VT60) vs. the ST60. ....basically, it seems that the ZT60 might be a big improvement over the VT series, so the gap between the ST series and the top of the line series (now the ZT series) might be bigger than last year (when it was ST vs. VT).
post #1159 of 1445
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Did they actually have the tvs to review?

I have no idea. They may have actually had TVs, they may have seen them at CES (or another venue) or they may talking out their rear end. Regardless, it's a comparison of two of the new models and there haven't been many others, so I asked if anyone else had seen it,
post #1160 of 1445
So at this point we are assuming the 65VT60 would release somewhere around May or June? I ask because I was completely sold on the 65VT50 but after reading everything here, I'm back where I started ;(
post #1161 of 1445
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

The VT60 has a new phosphor system as well as new video processing engine.

Hm. Wondering how much of a step up the VT60 will be from the VT50? The "phosphor system" is the improvement to red, right? What is the video processing upgrade?
post #1162 of 1445
I currently have a bad 55" VT50 that has been ordered to be replaced by Panasonic. I have things straightened out with my dealer and we are waiting for the new models to come out before we do the swap. I will be getting either the 60" VT60 or 60"ZT60 and the prices I got quoted on them both was $3499.99 for the VT and 4299.99 for the ZT. Keep in mind these are the Canadian MSRP and the store will sell them lower once they figure out their pricing.
post #1163 of 1445
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Hm. Wondering how much of a step up the VT60 will be from the VT50? The "phosphor system" is the improvement to red, right? What is the video processing upgrade?

The insider claimed better color at least in Cinema mode on the VT60 vs VT50 but until we get some of the pro traveling calibrators and reviewers to give feedback, we'll have to wait and see...same with the new processing. Likely there will be some improvement here although blacks sound as if they are around the same.
post #1164 of 1445
I got $ burning a damn hole in my pocket! June cant come quick enough!!!!!!!!!
post #1165 of 1445
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

So at this point we are assuming the 65VT60 would release somewhere around May or June? I ask because I was completely sold on the 65VT50 but after reading everything here, I'm back where I started ;(
Correct, probably April / May. I would get the VT50 myself, while they are still around.
Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 3/5/13 at 8:28pm
post #1166 of 1445
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

So at this point we are assuming the 65VT60 would release somewhere around May or June? I ask because I was completely sold on the 65VT50 but after reading everything here, I'm back where I started ;(
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

So at this point we are assuming the 65VT60 would release somewhere around May or June? I ask because I was completely sold on the 65VT50 but after reading everything here, I'm back where I started ;(
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Correct, probably May. I would get the VT50 myself, while they are still around.

You need to take some the negative comments with a grain of salt imo
post #1167 of 1445
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

The VT60 has a new phosphor system as well as new video processing engine.

Bingo. Things are a little different this year vs last year.
post #1168 of 1445
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Originally Posted by skro View Post

I believe Randy was referring to the ZT60 (not the VT60) vs. the ST60. ....basically, it seems that the ZT60 might be a big improvement over the VT series, so the gap between the ST series and the top of the line series (now the ZT series) might be bigger than last year (when it was ST vs. VT).

Bingo to you too smile.gif
post #1169 of 1445
Does the ST series also have the new video processing engine?
post #1170 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Does the ST series also have the new video processing engine?

And, doesn't the ST60 also get the new phosphors? If yes to both, then my original question is still out there.
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