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post #211 of 1445
I'm really hoping Panasonic has a plasma larger than 65" in 2013, but not so sure given some of the indications.
post #212 of 1445
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Originally Posted by carpetweb View Post

The 2013 sets will be the same as the previous years....same problems just different day.....I don't think everyone knows about this issue or that everyone is over it. Do you really want to do business with a company that will lie to get you to buy their product or one that knows there is a problem but does nothing about it. I'm very fortunate that i'm able to troubleshoot and fix my set. If I hadn't been able to do it myself, it wouldn't have been cost efficient to have had it fixed, but its also a repair that shouldn't have had to been made. When I talked to a service department to verify my diagnosis I was told that panasonic is what kept them in business......Something to think about for sure........

Sounds like every company I do business with, unfortunately.
post #213 of 1445
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Originally Posted by carpetweb View Post

The 2013 sets will be the same as the previous years....same problems just different day.....I don't think everyone knows about this issue or that everyone is over it. Do you really want to do business with a company that will lie to get you to buy their product or one that knows there is a problem but does nothing about it. I'm very fortunate that i'm able to troubleshoot and fix my set. If I hadn't been able to do it myself, it wouldn't have been cost efficient to have had it fixed, but its also a repair that shouldn't have had to been made. When I talked to a service department to verify my diagnosis I was told that panasonic is what kept them in business......Something to think about for sure........

post #214 of 1445
The quality of modern electronics is far, far lower than that of about 10 years ago. How do I know? Well, first of, anecdote is the singular of data -- as the expression goes, not literally. Everyone I know or contact online has had a problem with something, myself included. But more significantly, I've brought things in to repair facilities and they've told me explicitly that things aren't built as well.

It makes sense: A TV that was $5000 a decade ago is $800 now. Sure, some of them is cause it's cheaper to make. But some of it is choosing to build it cheaply.

In this world, Panasonic's quality control and build quality for televisions seems to be second to none. I'm not saying it's dramatically better than anyone else, but it sure seems to be up there with everyone else.

Individual bad experiences to the contrary -- anecdotes -- shouldn't be disregarded, but don't change the preponderence of evidence.
post #215 of 1445
LOL, troll much?
post #216 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post


BRILLIANT!!!
post #217 of 1445
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Originally Posted by carpetweb View Post

The 2013 sets will be the same as the previous years....same problems just different day.....I don't think everyone knows about this issue or that everyone is over it. Do you really want to do business with a company that will lie to get you to buy their product or one that knows there is a problem but does nothing about it. I'm very fortunate that i'm able to troubleshoot and fix my set. If I hadn't been able to do it myself, it wouldn't have been cost efficient to have had it fixed, but its also a repair that shouldn't have had to been made. When I talked to a service department to verify my diagnosis I was told that panasonic is what kept them in business......Something to think about for sure........

You know what I want for 2013? PEOPLE TO STAY ON TOPIC
post #218 of 1445
D-day minus 1 !

Plus 1 month. ^^
Edited by mlg33 - 12/7/12 at 10:49am
post #219 of 1445
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^Let's hope they at least match Kuro 9G black levels by 2013...it will have been 5 years for heaven's sake. That's one of the primary holdups for Kuro owners delaying upgrades (who primarily want a larger size panel).

I agree 100% and we would like a larger screen 5 inches is not enough imho. A 75" would suffice it sits between the 65 and 80" nicely. 70" is a nice jump up but 75" is nicer.
I am praying they bring us out a larger screen w/black levels kuro-ish.
post #220 of 1445
I want a larger screen.

After owning a VT30 65 and a GT30 55 I can't go back to LCD. I saw Sharps new 90" and it looked nice and big but the detail level was high and sterile...it just looked weird to me.

In our new house we are an additional 5ft from the TV and I'd really like to see something in the 70+ inch range.

I was not a fan of the GT50 silver bezel, we had looked at upgrading but that really through us off.
post #221 of 1445
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Originally Posted by kaosv1 View Post

I agree 100% and we would like a larger screen 5 inches is not enough imho. A 75" would suffice it sits between the 65 and 80" nicely. 70" is a nice jump up but 75" is nicer.
I am praying they bring us out a larger screen w/black levels kuro-ish.
I'd be shocked if Panasonic ever releases a plasma as large as 75". It seems they've been strongly hinting that there will be a model or models (including a VT) between 66" and 70" in 2013. Of course, we should find out for sure during CES. But I think 70" is the largest that anyone can realistically hope for. I think the market is just too small for expensive, 75" plasmas.
post #222 of 1445
I think if the VT60 beat the 9G Kuro in blacks, color, and gamma, we'd all probably move the furniture closer to the display than worry about a larger screen size smile.gif
post #223 of 1445
All you monolithic size lovers, just hope and pray that a 70" surfaces next year (since Panasonic has yet to pass the mainstream 65" threshold). Baby steps. wink.gif
post #224 of 1445
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

If plasma was more profitable than LCD , Sony and others would not have give up on them. Whith the Koreans and Chineses in the market it is very tough for Panasonic to be profitable. Some companies announced they will no longer make TVs. Cheap is beaultiful but can have some downside as well.
I hope Panasonic keeps the plasmas alive, I can't watch LCD and probably can't afford OLED in large sizes.

LCD is not THAT bad.

But yeah, Plasma is better though. wink.gif
post #225 of 1445
Have they figured out how to make them stop buzzing yet? It drives me nuts. I have a 60" st30.
post #226 of 1445
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Originally Posted by brannigan View Post

Have they figured out how to make them stop buzzing yet?

They don't buzz unless something inside is defective.


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It drives me nuts. I have a 60" st30.

My friend's 60ST30 was virtually silent for several months, but it suddenly started buzzing so he had a board replaced under warranty and it became silent again, and is still silent a year later.

Why are you putting up with excessive buzzing? Why not get it fixed?
post #227 of 1445
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

LCD is not THAT bad.
But yeah, Plasma is better though. wink.gif

And if LCD was so profitable, well, wait. Just look at Sony and Sharp lol...
post #228 of 1445
Maybe big display's are going the way of cars with young metros who are increasingly forced to live in really small apartments that cost a lot of money. Here in Cali they are putting up buildings with 200 ft. apartments. Maybe future profitability lies with the tablet and smart phone. Increasingly peope are gravitating to LA, Boston, NY, Seattle SF, SJ area, and San Diego which are tech hotbeads creating the new economy. They can't afford a house...hence small affordabl;e apartments.

Maybe plasma, LCD, and anything that can't be carried is a dying breed. Maybe people are increasingly comfortable watching a moving on a small Retina Display with almost perfect colors out of the box.
post #229 of 1445
200 ft??? How in God's Good Name could anyone fir a bed and a table in there,no less a tv??? I was thinking perhaps a projector...but I am not sure that would work....
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post #231 of 1445
^Which coincidentally is where real estate is some of the costliest. You couldn't pay me to become a worker in that Agenda 21 ant farm.
post #232 of 1445
Don't know what the UN has to do with it Vinnie. People want to live in the cities I listed. I'm sitting here in my rather small house (compared to what I could buy in Oregon, Nebraska, etc.) with my backdoor open, the scent of frsh flowers wafting through the door and through my windows I see ripening oranges and avacados. Tourists stop to pick lemons off of my tree during the winter. To me that's a value add. Not to everyone though. My folks in Michigan are appalled by what I get for my money....but they come out to visit in the winter to get away from the weather.

I've lived many places in America but choose to live here when my business allows my to live anywhere. To each his own. We're all trying to find a place we're comfortable with and in.

Back to displays, the demise of plasma, etc. My original point is that the demo/psychos are changing....18 year olds cherish being mobile. So I's guess sales of big displays will continue to fall. Maybe next year Panny will hit the 9G benchmark but beyond that who knows.
Edited by Glashub - 12/9/12 at 10:31am
post #233 of 1445
Typically what sort of prices do the new models usually have when they come out?

I would assume a 55" versions of the new st50 to be around $1400 and GT50 to be about $1800 ....would that be a decent estimate?
post #234 of 1445
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Originally Posted by ser_renely View Post

Typically what sort of prices do the new models usually have when they come out?
I would assume a 55" versions of the new st50 to be around $1400 and GT50 to be about $1800 ....would that be a decent estimate?
My prediction would be that the 55" ST60 retails for $1,600, and the 55" GT60 retails for $2,000. If you're thinking that retail price will be lower because of current xx50 pricing, then keep in mind that xx50 pricing is actually higher on average (from what I've seen) than xx30 pricing was last year. But if you're speculating about early street price, then those are probably reasonable estimates -- retail price should be higher, but they will probably hit those prices pretty quickly.
post #235 of 1445
I have a TC-P42s1 that recently started showing two 3" vertical black bars. They lasted a couple of days and for now have disappeared. Since the appearance of these bars I have been thrust into looking into a new TV. I was expecting to have the TC-P42s1 TV a few years but I want to be ahead of the curve. Fixing this problem when it comes back will cost enough that I will just buy a new something TV. Probably bigger screen while I am at it but not by choice.

So, since I have been happy with my Panny I have been on here and the internet looking into new Panny's BUT when I see plenty of negative criticisms of Panasonic with customer service it gives me pause.

Post a picture of a crybaby if u will but don't be crying about low Panny sales if they are not bringing the best technology to their customers and improved customer service. Isn't that what the market place is supposed to be?

Just sayin.
post #236 of 1445
Panasonic has a great reputation for low repair rate, i dont know where you guys get this BS.
post #237 of 1445
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Panasonic has a great reputation for low repair rate, i dont know where you guys get this BS.

agreed, they have the lowest defect rate of any TV mfg
post #238 of 1445
You guys keep trying to shovel that BS that panasonic has the lowest repair rate out there........The only what they have that is people choose not to put any more money into their bad purchase of panasonic.....if you'd just search the net about all the problems they've had and are still having years later, you might understand what they are really about. It seems their plan is to make tvs to only last a couple of years so they can sell more. ..... kauaidoug, I can't blame you for having second thoughts about buying panasonic. Do the research and you'll make the right decision.....

Not crying here....but laughing at all of you that continue to defend panasonic and spend your money with them.......If the tvs lasted like they should, then you wouldn't be able to say that you've owned so many different sets....Talk to repair shops and see what brands they see the most of, at least of the top brands.
post #239 of 1445
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Originally Posted by carpetweb View Post

You guys keep trying to shovel that BS that panasonic has the lowest repair rate out there........The only what they have that is people choose not to put any more money into their bad purchase of panasonic.....if you'd just search the net about all the problems they've had and are still having years later, you might understand what they are really about. It seems their plan is to make tvs to only last a couple of years so they can sell more. ..... kauaidoug, I can't blame you for having second thoughts about buying panasonic. Do the research and you'll make the right decision.....
Not crying here....but laughing at all of you that continue to defend panasonic and spend your money with them.......If the tvs lasted like they should, then you wouldn't be able to say that you've owned so many different sets....Talk to repair shops and see what brands they see the most of, at least of the top brands.

complete BS. panasonic is a high selling brand, same with vizios, that's why repair shops see so many of them. Statistically speaking they have THE lowest defect rate of any tv, hovering at about 4-5% failure rate, hell, samsung is at 6% failure rate right now. second only to Westinghouse who has a whopping 8% failure rate....if you "search the net" MOST mfg's have tons of issues being discussed, welcome to the internet where bad rumors propogate. look at all the flack that samsung has gotten for several years worth of bad resistors and capacitors. look at their issues with the panel lottery etc. the shoe can be on both feet.

I have buddies who work as tv repairmen too (well, mild friends) and they get TONS of westinhouse, Vizio, and Insignia tv's.... some panny's, a decent amount of Sony and Sammy tv's etc... the offbrands like Insginia and Westy litter the roster but the big name brands like Sony, Sammy and Panny not nearly as much (and Vizio they get a solid amount of but then again vizio is the highest selling brand in the U.S. right now with almost 4x the sales of other brands so it's pretty expected to see a higher number of tv's come in for repairs)

my panny TV's have lasted 6-8 years before I sell them off and upgrade, never a problem (knock on wood) with any of them.
Edited by wormraper - 12/9/12 at 9:44pm
post #240 of 1445
I doubt I got 3 defects in a row. I returned the first one to frys and had the replacement gutted and all the internals swapped out. They all do the same thing. The whiter the screen is the more it buzzes. My dad has an older model that doesn't do it and my old 50" panny was nowhere near as bad. The st30 is just an annoying tv but has a fantastic picture so I try to block it out. It's gotten easier but once in awhile I want to throw the remote at it.
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