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post #301 of 1445
lol I think you may be right about determined guys. Consider this: about 40% of the purchases made on Black Friday were from a smartphone.
post #302 of 1445
I can't envision watching movies on a smartphone for any long period of time. Smartphones do a lot more fortunately. wink.gif
post #303 of 1445
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Originally Posted by weedeater View Post

I stand by my prediction that Panasonic will be out of the TV business by the end of 2013.

And it is a prediction that I would be happy if it turns out to be wrong. tongue.gif
post #304 of 1445
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Originally Posted by weedeater View Post

And it is a prediction that I would be happy if it turns out to be wrong. tongue.gif

Me too, but chances are the OP is right.
post #305 of 1445





http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/
Edited by alucard3 - 12/25/12 at 9:51am
post #306 of 1445
I want to believe.
post #307 of 1445
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Originally Posted by alucard3 View Post



http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/
cool
post #308 of 1445
It seems pretty unlikely Panasonic is exiting the plasma market in 2013 even if the 2013 models are the last model year. In other words, I'd expect the 2013s to carry through into 2014 regardless.

More likely, it seems to me, is that the 2014 model year is the last and it sells through into 2015, which is the last year of production. But I wouldn't completely rule out no new models for 2014.

That said, I find it hard to understand how Panasonic is losing money on most of its plasma models (it would seem to be the opposite). All production facilities are fully depreciated at this point and prices are fairly flat year over year. The yen is also weakening (this is good for Panasonic).

Regardless, new models in 2013 ought to sell through into 2014. There is no scenario where new models stop selling during 2013. That's really quite pointless. And it isn't especially clear how Panasonic would sell meaningful numbers of 65" televisions without plasma for the next several years (unless they start sourcing Sharp 70" LCD panels, which is possible).

Anyway, they won't answer, but I'll ask what their plans are at CES.
post #309 of 1445
Good grief, who cares!

Can't we get any leaks yet on the new specs?! Sizes? Pricing? Kuro blacks?
post #310 of 1445
There used to be good info back a couple years ago. D-Nice would post some tidbits, but I think too many people pissed him off or he lost his connections at Panny.

I think the rumor is these sets will be more of the same. VT60 may outperform the 9G Kuro if they're really trying to differentiate the performance of the top of the range. I actually think the Panasonics have a punchier picture on mid-high apl stuff, and it seems they're getting better on the low apl stuff, too.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people end up preferring the look of the VT60. I think there are some that do with the VT50.
post #311 of 1445
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It seems pretty unlikely Panasonic is exiting the plasma market in 2013 even if the 2013 models are the last model year. In other words, I'd expect the 2013s to carry through into 2014 regardless.
More likely, it seems to me, is that the 2014 model year is the last and it sells through into 2015, which is the last year of production. But I wouldn't completely rule out no new models for 2014.
That said, I find it hard to understand how Panasonic is losing money on most of its plasma models (it would seem to be the opposite). All production facilities are fully depreciated at this point and prices are fairly flat year over year. The yen is also weakening (this is good for Panasonic).
Regardless, new models in 2013 ought to sell through into 2014. There is no scenario where new models stop selling during 2013. That's really quite pointless. And it isn't especially clear how Panasonic would sell meaningful numbers of 65" televisions without plasma for the next several years (unless they start sourcing Sharp 70" LCD panels, which is possible).
Anyway, they won't answer, but I'll ask what their plans are at CES.

I agree with you on this, but if they do decide to exit some time in the next few months, they've been good at having less left over inventory the last couple years before the new models arrive, so I think it may be hard to get those top of the range sets. I don't really have a need to get a GT/VT 60, but if this ends up being it, I'll jump on one, since OLED isn't going to be much better.
post #312 of 1445
I have owned Kuros for about 6 years. Have a 9g Elite sitting in the garage. I can't tell the difference in black levels between the VT50 I have and the 9g. Maybe if I did a side by side it would be noticable but I got the 65VT50 for about $2400. It's a great value. I think what we're talking about now is .0002 difference in black levels right?

It like a horse power thing...it's all about the numbers and has little to do with real world performance. I have a car with 385 hp. The same manufacturer makes a 429 hp version. The guys with the 429 hp car have been crowing about it for a year now. Real world their car is 1/2 second faster to 60mph than mine. However the GDI used to extract that 1/2 second is causing all kinds of problems for them.

I can't tell with my Kuro trained eyes the difference between the 9g and the VT50 but the VT50 lags in the numbers department I guess.
Edited by Glashub - 12/25/12 at 9:15pm
post #313 of 1445
While it is indeed,about numbers...it is all about eyes,what looks great to me,I will research and then most probably buy it...numbers be damned...sometimes I feel that many of us spend a lot more time than deserved,searching for "that Perfect Wave" and we fall into the trap of valuing some one else's opinion rather than putting our trust in our eyes...Other opinions are valued,but,ultimatly,they are not the ones you want you please...
post #314 of 1445
Back when the VT25 came out, Home Theater Magazine was talking about greater perceived contrast on scenes with average to high apl v. a 9G Kuro. It'll be splitting hairs with the VT60 as long as they improve upon the 2012's.
post #315 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I have owned Kuros for about 6 years. Have a 9g Elite sitting in the garage. I can't tell the difference in black levels between the VT50 I have and the 9g. Maybe if I did a side by side it would be noticable but I got the 65VT50 for about $2400. It's a great value. I think what we're talking about now is .0002 difference in black levels right?
It like a horse power thing...it's all about the numbers and has little to do with real world performance. I have a car with 385 hp. The same manufacturer makes a 429 hp version. The guys with the 429 hp car have been crowing about it for a year now. Real world their car is 1/2 second faster to 60mph than mine. However the GDI used to extract that 1/2 second is causing all kinds of problems for them.
I can't tell with my Kuro trained eyes the difference between the 9g and the VT50 but the VT50 lags in the numbers department I guess.

Which tv is better with the glare issue? same?
I know the vt50 has the best glare filter but I have never seen a Kuro
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post #317 of 1445
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

This is the 65S60,,,
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65S60

oops, methinks their webmaster accidentally went "live" on this upcoming model a little too early wink.gif

It is interesting though - a non-3D S series like they had up till 2011 (S1/S2/S30) but skipped in 2012. I wonder if it has an AR Filter which was present on all previous S models.
post #318 of 1445
I hope Panasonic does something solid for 2013. Im one of those 8G Kuro guys who would like to get a laregr screen but nothing seems to "do it" for me so I sit on the sidelines waiting ror that certified KURO replacement. The Samsungs have some strong points but I dont trust them as a brand. LGs prolly wont cut it . Panny is alls that is left.
post #319 of 1445
Can anybody gues what "touch pen" means on a Viera TV ?
post #320 of 1445
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

I hope Panasonic does something solid for 2013. Im one of those 8G Kuro guys who would like to get a laregr screen but nothing seems to "do it" for me so I sit on the sidelines waiting ror that certified KURO replacement. The Samsungs have some strong points but I dont trust them as a brand. LGs prolly wont cut it . Panny is alls that is left.

A VT50 will outperform an 8G Kuro, but the Kuro picture is captivating. GT/VT60 will outperform the 8G sets.

What did you think about the 50 series this year? This seemed like the year to upgrade unless you still had a 9G set.
post #321 of 1445
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Originally Posted by alucard3 View Post



http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/

Oh God
post #322 of 1445
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

I hope Panasonic does something solid for 2013. Im one of those 8G Kuro guys who would like to get a laregr screen but nothing seems to "do it" for me so I sit on the sidelines waiting ror that certified KURO replacement. The Samsungs have some strong points but I dont trust them as a brand. LGs prolly wont cut it . Panny is alls that is left.

With all due respect I owned an 8g and couldn't wait to replace it with a 9g...which I did. The 8g blacks are not that black and certainly don't compare with the VT50. There may be other reasons for you to hold on to the 8g but better black levels is not one of them.
post #323 of 1445
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Originally Posted by hotskins View Post

Which tv is better with the glare issue? same?
I know the vt50 has the best glare filter but I have never seen a Kuro

I was expecting the VT50 to be much worse but it about the same as the 9g and maybe better. The pewter metal wrapping arouind the frame is not an issue for me either.
post #324 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

With all due respect I owned an 8g and couldn't wait to replace it with a 9g...which I did. The 8g blacks are not that black and certainly don't compare with the VT50. There may be other reasons for you to hold on to the 8g but better black levels is not one of them.
Based on the measurements and the reports I've heard, it was my understanding that VT50 and 8g blacks are equitable.
post #325 of 1445
^^^^^^^^

Keep in mind...you're talking about the 8g. These people are talking about the 9g.....the last generation. The 9g blacks were 80% blacker than the 8g.

"The only TVs that can compete with the Panasonic VT50 are the Sharp Elite and, yes, that hoary veteran the Pioneer Kuro (circa 2008). Ignoring size differences (the Kuro maxed out at 60 inches) and the fact that you can't get one anymore, I actually would still rather watch the Kuro than this Panasonic -- but it's very close. The VT50 is a better TV overall than the Sharp Elite, however, despite the latter's arguably superior black-level performance. My vote goes to the Panasonic for its more accurate color and perfect screen uniformity."

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt50/4505-6482_7-35118304.html

"In my opinion, the most amazing thing about the TV industry is this: in more than two and a half years, no TV has delivered better picture quality than the Pioneer Kuro line of plasma TVs. Think about that for a second in the context of consumer technology's typically meteoric better/faster/stronger advancement. In the second half of 2008, when the last generation of Kuros appeared in stores.... "

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20034816-1.html
Edited by Glashub - 12/27/12 at 7:22am
post #326 of 1445
Any thoughts on 3D glasses with respect to 2012 compatibility? Or will there be an upgrade of some kind on the TY-ER3D4MU?
post #327 of 1445
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Can anybody gues what "touch pen" means on a Viera TV ?

I sure hope that it doesn't mean that the new panels will be touchscreens.

Can you imagine the fingerprints? Ugh.
post #328 of 1445
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

This is the 65S60,,,
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65S60

This is definitely encouraging and has the feel of a potential $1k street price come 4q2013. With a decent anti-reflective coating, it would be an incredible value offering.

I read an article in a recent home theater periodical that the korean CEs are now betting more on 4k than oled, which candidly has some historical logic behind it. If 4k is the next 3d or smart platform to drive new tv sales, then i believe plasma may survive beyond 2014 as the purists' choice. While LCDs have improved dramatically in the past four years, they have still yet to conquer viewng angles. Throw in black levels, screen uniformity, contrast levels, motion, and a price advantage over high end lcds, and i feel like you have a value proposition for a niche audience that pays for perceived quality.
post #329 of 1445
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Originally Posted by liltalkm View Post

I sure hope that it doesn't mean that the new panels will be touchscreens.
Can you imagine the fingerprints? Ugh.

Lg painfully tried this last year with their pen touch models. Unprotected sex in haiti
post #330 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

^^^^^^^^
Keep in mind...you're talking about the 8g. These people are talking about the 9g.....the last generation. The 9g blacks were 80% blacker than the 8g.
"The only TVs that can compete with the Panasonic VT50 are the Sharp Elite and, yes, that hoary veteran the Pioneer Kuro (circa 2008). Ignoring size differences (the Kuro maxed out at 60 inches) and the fact that you can't get one anymore, I actually would still rather watch the Kuro than this Panasonic -- but it's very close. The VT50 is a better TV overall than the Sharp Elite, however, despite the latter's arguably superior black-level performance. My vote goes to the Panasonic for its more accurate color and perfect screen uniformity."
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt50/4505-6482_7-35118304.html
"In my opinion, the most amazing thing about the TV industry is this: in more than two and a half years, no TV has delivered better picture quality than the Pioneer Kuro line of plasma TVs. Think about that for a second in the context of consumer technology's typically meteoric better/faster/stronger advancement. In the second half of 2008, when the last generation of Kuros appeared in stores.... "
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20034816-1.html
I know the 9Gs are unparalleled, I just got lost in the dialogue somewhere thinking the discussion involved 8G comparisons. wink.gif
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