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post #421 of 1445
Does anyone have information regarding real picture improvements for the ST60 line? Will it produce a deeper black? Will it be brighter? Will there be any adjustments to the phosphors?
post #422 of 1445
^^The 2013 line was just announced. Generally at this point, all we can sure about is model numbers. It'll probably at least be a couple of weeks before actual specs start to pour in. In late feb/march when these models actually make their way into people's homes, I'm sure there will be myriad data about how the ST60 compares to the 2012 equivalent. But no one will know for sure until someone actually tests one, because you really can't rely on a manufacturer's marketing jargon. From what we know so far, the ZT60 will seemingly boast many of the major improvements for 2013 - new red phosphor, "FFD 3000," new "Studio Master" panel, wider color gamut, increased shades of gradation, etc. The VT60 gets FFD3000, too. The ST60 specs so far indicate that aside from smart TV updates, it has the same panel, FFD, as the st50. But we don't know if brightness is improved, filter, etc.
post #423 of 1445
The most practical question for a potential buyer hinges on what features might be removed from the st60 that were present in the st50 (ie the louver filter). That alone might have the largest impact on picture quality over slightly increased black levels.
post #424 of 1445
I had a feeling the GT was going away, and that the product line would 'compress' somewhat.

We'll have to wait and see what the feature sets will be with these new versions, like will the VT still have all its calibration options. And will the ST get some additions.
post #425 of 1445
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

The most practical question for a potential buyer hinges on what features might be removed from the st60 that were present in the st50 (ie the louver filter). That alone might have the largest impact on picture quality over slightly increased black levels.

With the GT exiting and the inability to keep the ST in stock this year, I would expect prices to increase. They may even add a few features to decrease the feature gap between ST & VT.
post #426 of 1445
This thread should be locked and people should move to

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450235/ces-panasonic-unveils-2013-tvs-new-smart-tv-interface

More accurate thread title. Either way, we should close one of them.
post #427 of 1445
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

^^The 2013 line was just announced. Generally at this point, all we can sure about is model numbers. It'll probably at least be a couple of weeks before actual specs start to pour in. In late feb/march when these models actually make their way into people's homes, I'm sure there will be myriad data about how the ST60 compares to the 2012 equivalent. But no one will know for sure until someone actually tests one, because you really can't rely on a manufacturer's marketing jargon. From what we know so far, the ZT60 will seemingly boast many of the major improvements for 2013 - new red phosphor, "FFD 3000," new "Studio Master" panel, wider color gamut, increased shades of gradation, etc. The VT60 gets FFD3000, too. The ST60 specs so far indicate that aside from smart TV updates, it has the same panel, FFD, as the st50. But we don't know if brightness is improved, filter, etc.
Actually, someone posted information from HDTVtest that suggested the VT will not have a louvre filter, as it will be reserved for the ZT line. I find that suspect and I think it would be a horrible marketing decision. It also implies every other Panasonic plasma will be absent the louvre filter.
post #428 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

Actually, someone posted information from HDTVtest that suggested the VT will not have a louvre filter, as it will be reserved for the ZT line. I find that suspect and I think it would be a horrible marketing decision. It also implies every other Panasonic plasma will be absent the louvre filter.

+1

That filter has a bigger impact on realworld picture quality than improvement in black levels, unless you only watch your tv in absolute darkness.
post #429 of 1445
My question on Panasonic's 2013 Plasma Lineup is whether this year's Models have a full CMS system .
Last year , only the European Models came with CMS , the North American Models did not .

Scott..............mad.gif
post #430 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Scott_R_K View Post

My question on Panasonic's 2013 Plasma Lineup is whether this year's Models have a full CMS system .
Last year , only the European Models came with CMS , the North American Models did not .
Scott..............mad.gif
The VT50 has a full CMS. If every model had a full CMS, there would be even less of a reason to get the V series. The ST50/GT50 has very respectable color accuracy after the grayscale has been calibrated.

In regards to the louver filter comments above, I highly doubt they're going to remove the louver filter. In the specs, it states Infinite Black Pro on the ST60 (same filter as the ST50/GT50) and Infinite Black Ultra on the VT60 (same as the VT50). The ZT60 is going to have a new filter called Ultimate Black.
post #431 of 1445
this may seem petty, but besides the fact that my Kuro has a fantastic picture, it's stand also hides the wires that are being plugged in the back. This ZT60 stand, will show the wires running behind the TV. That sucks!
post #432 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

this may seem petty, but besides the fact that my Kuro has a fantastic picture, it's stand also hides the wires that are being plugged in the back. This ZT60 stand, will show the wires running behind the TV. That sucks!

I'd guess that the majority of owners will have it on the wall anyway.
post #433 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

this may seem petty, but besides the fact that my Kuro has a fantastic picture, it's stand also hides the wires that are being plugged in the back. This ZT60 stand, will show the wires running behind the TV. That sucks!

I really dislike this trend that Samsung started with the really flashy(READ: Distracting) stands. What is wrong with a simple design, much like what the Elites had/have?
post #434 of 1445
It seems so, but then if I put it on the wall, the TV is about 3 feet further and the screen will seem smaller. I might have to take a look at that SI Black Diamond Zero Edge screen and a JVC projector. That might do the trick!
post #435 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Bardia View Post

It seems so, but then if I put it on the wall, the TV is about 3 feet further and the screen will seem smaller. I might have to take a look at that SI Black Diamond Zero Edge screen and a JVC projector. That might do the trick!

Oh, that would certainly do the trick. Many, many, tricks...
post #436 of 1445
really effective louver filter for brightly lit rooms



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Edited by alucard3 - 1/9/13 at 4:32pm
post #437 of 1445
Sorry guys this will be a little off topic: UK David Mackenzie of HDTV Test in the forum says this about Samsung F8500:

"Yes. The contrast performance of the F8500 is outstanding. Samsung gave me a hands on demo. It is the closest thing to OLED without actually being OLED".

And then says:

"My source tells me that the MLL discrepancy is gone on the F8500.

There will probably be a little bit (like there is on Panasonic) but it seems to have been leveled out.

We'll know for sure when we get a sample".
Edited by agkss - 1/9/13 at 6:14pm
post #438 of 1445
Well, you went there, and I have not been keeping up with the Samsung model. What mll discrepancy?
post #439 of 1445
And what is an F8500??
post #440 of 1445
Will the 3D glasses be the same model (although included) as the 2012?
post #441 of 1445
The discrepancy was that the 51" model E8000 has diferent MLL (Less deeper black levels) than the 64", and F8500 in 51" maybe not have that discrepancy.

By the way, he's on plane right now...i'm surprise because i have a 60" GT50 and i hope ZT60 will beat the kuro, but it seems that samsung's plasma probably do it first.

Sorry for my english.
Edited by agkss - 1/9/13 at 6:01pm
post #442 of 1445
^That would be a shocker. All will soon be revealed.
post #443 of 1445
Sorry for the off topic...i really want to buy the plasma that beat Kuro (I'm wishing that will be Panasonic ZT60)...In my country Perú Samsung only sell LED so i think maybe this F8500 never came, but i just want to give you a news, i apologize to everybody for the off topic
post #444 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I really dislike this trend that Samsung started with the really flashy(READ: Distracting) stands. What is wrong with a simple design, much like what the Elites had/have?

Flashy? The all metal stand, as opposed to our (I own a GT50, just to clarify in case people mistake me for a rampant fanboy) Panasonic chintzy, plastic-covered metal, graduated colour, stand I find very attractive. Our tastes may vary but it is quite minimalist.
post #445 of 1445
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

Sorry for the off topic...i really want to buy the plasma that beat Kuro (I'm wishing that will be Panasonic ZT60)...In my country Perú Samsung only sell LED so i think maybe this F8500 never came, but i just want to give you a news, i apologize to everybody for the off topic
No worries, I am hoping for the ubiquitous Kuro killer to arrive this year as well. If Samdung can deliver, I might have to succumb to the Korean giant. wink.gif
post #446 of 1445
Yeah i call them Samdung too, i returned a 51 D550 for brightness pops...At least with my refund and more cash i bought my 60" GT50. smile.gif I don't understand why don't you get in US a 3D Combo like in my country...(4 pair glasses, Avatar 3D or Transformers and BDT220).
post #447 of 1445
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

The discrepancy was that the 51" model E8000 has diferent MLL (Less deeper black levels) than the 64", and F8500 in 51" maybe not have that discrepancy.

By the way, he's on plane right now...i'm surprise because i have a 60" GT50 and i hope ZT60 will beat the kuro, but it seems that samsung's plasma probably do it first.

Sorry for my english.

I think D-Nice called that a few years ago, haha
post #448 of 1445
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

Flashy? The all metal stand, as opposed to our (I own a GT50, just to clarify in case people mistake me for a rampant fanboy) Panasonic chintzy, plastic-covered metal, graduated colour, stand I find very attractive. Our tastes may vary but it is quite minimalist.

It is an unnecessary adornment that takes attention away from the picture. It is the very antithesis of minimalism.
post #449 of 1445
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

No worries, I am hoping for the ubiquitous Kuro killer to arrive this year as well. If Samdung can deliver, I might have to succumb to the Korean giant. wink.gif

As a current kuro owner I assumed my next plasma would be a panasonic, as I'm not a big samsung guy. This F8500 has caught my attention some how and I really like the design which is a no nonsense look. If they make good on what I've seen so far, I may have to seriously consider this also! Great thing is this year both the VT60 and F8500 will be offered @ 60 inches.
post #450 of 1445
ZT60 VS VT50 Video: Language Portuguese

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh1IknpJmuE
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