What can we expect from 2013 Panasonic Plasmas? - Page 18

It's going to take everything in me not to jump on a closeout 65" VT50 as I'm pretty darn confident the 60's going to be the new (and decidedly so) benchmark for televisions that actual humans can afford.

Already trying to justify the price...

"what's another $1000 over the next 4-5 years?"

crap.

James

I wonder what kind of a closeout deal I could get on a ST50 in a 65in
screen and if the ST60 will be any better.

I'd love that the the superior quality of Panasonic plasmas would be so obvious to the common consumer.

I may have spoken too soon - during CES, publications were reporting that Samsung will only have two Plasma models in 2013 (a F8500 Flagship and F4500 entry-level) but in the F8500 thread a gent posted a PDF Chart showing they're also planning an F5300 and F5500 model.

I'm wondering the same thing!

I looked at an ST50, GT 50 and VT50. And could not tell the difference (ya I'm sure with the right movie I could something)

But they all looked amazing, but the 60" looks small beside the 65", so I want a 65 now

I have to agree..I also have the Gen-10 65" 720p, the PQ is sharp and exact. My TH was made in Japan and frankly I'm not sure about the new Panasonics?

^^^^

You aren't using a pre/pro or receiver that has upscaling capabilities?

Randy Walters: The ZT-60 is moving closer and closer to Pioneer 9.5g Kuro quality.

Do you think Panasonic will produce a plasma that will be better than the greatest Kuro before they exit the plasma business?

Take your best guess as to WHEN: 2014, 2015, or 2016?

P.S. I'm guessing that there is no way that Panasonic will produce plasmas after 2016--do you think I'm right or wrong about that?

This kind of post is unproductive frankly...especially in that your post lacks any credible basis. no one has tested these units empirically and we have no idea where in the mll pantheon they will fall.

Actually from all the reports it looks like the ZT60 will suprass the last Kuro...

That would be premature seeing how those werent even production units at the show.

ALL of them? Not quite.

more nonsense, who has reviewed one, what just like the vt 30, then the 50, oh dear, probably haven't even started production yet:eek:

Guys, after hearing about the zt60, if they don't beat the 9.5G this year, it'll happen next year when they launch improved tech across the range. And with the way Samsung is headed, maybe they'll do it first.

With oled showing up soon, and not having having high yields, they have to have a cost effective solution and they know it. I wouldn't be too surprised if panny and Sammy go 4k in their top of the range plasmas next year.

Just curious, lets say they kept all things unchanged with the zt60 but make it 4k.....would that result in a dimmer picture, or would it have no bearing on brightness?

It's actually not possible to answer that. Each cell would likely be fairly dim, but there'd be four of them for every pixel in a 1080p model and they could probably be driven fairly hard.

But it's an academic question because no one can say what engineering choices were made to make the 4K model until they actually make the 4K model.

Please note, you are likely to receive answers that contradict this based on a lot of baseless speculation people have read elsewhere. Those answers are most probably wrong, but if someone should prove otherwise, I'd be willing to discuss it further.

Well played, sir. Well played.

The current VT series is already a lot better than the Kuros in many picture quality aspects. You know, little things like brightness, whites, color accuracy, contrast, etc...so I think its pretty safe to say that the new ZT series will be better than the Kuro in almost all areas. Time to put this meme to bed and move on.

Try to put to bed all the Kuro owners--they won't be put to bed until it is proven that the ZT-60 is better.

The sales force always wants to put to bed any comparisons with the best Kuro--the fact is until someone produces a better set then the best Kuro then picture quality really hasn't gotten anywhere!

Sometimes I wish I could filter out all posts that contain that word.
I don't have one, I never will, and the talk about it really seems to side track every thread.....
Just my meaningless 2 cent rant.

well it is the the panel to compare the latest and best too , says it all really 4 years old and still number 1:rolleyes: oh we have improved, with 3d, smart tv, slimmer bezel, please.

How about creating a kuro vs panny thread and have all that talk go there, and........

Nevermind....lol

I don't understand why people get upset? Why wouldn't the Kuro be mentioned? If the Kuro gets mentioned in just about every professional review of the Panasonic TVs then why wouldn't you expect it to show up?

There's nothing wrong with it, but It's unproductive in a number of ways. The future of plasma, which most feel might be limited to years counted on one hand, hinges largely on what samsung and panasonic offer. Most of us here are enthusiasts and plasma remains the best technology for a videophile experience. The constant mocking of panasonic's advancement in picture quality is unproductive for those of us who have moved beyond kuro nostalgia. MLL measurements of the 60 series are probably a good two months away, so any discussion of kuro-relative black levels is merely mental masturbation at this point anyway.

I owned a 5080 and then an Elite Pro-111fd. I wanted a bigger screen. Almost went to a Pro-141 or 151 by default. But everyone wants north of $3500. I opt-ed for the 65VT50. It surpasses my Kuro’s in a number of ways.

I agree the talk about Kuro is meaningless since I don’t think anyone in their right mind would pay $3500 for a 4 year old TV that gives off massive amounts of heat when they can get a 65” that has been called “mind blowing” by CNET and others for about $2300 right now. I watched Dredd last night and not once did I stop the movie and think boy i wish I had my Kuro back. In fact I often thought about how good the image looked and how true the colors were.

If anyone really wants a Kuro wait until the ZT comes out. If it’s a good as advertized I think there will be a lot of Kuros on the market at more realistic prices.

I think Panasonic could of released a "KURO killer" already but chose to incorporate improvements in a balanced way, not just ultimate black levels. The black levels are pretty darn good already though.

Agree. I've stated my stance on this before. If Kuros were still being produced, I'd understand the talk and comparisons. But you can't buy them new. Besides, how many people outside of a limited quantity really know about Kuros, or even care? Every year this comes up because a few Kuro fanboys have to come around and beat their chest proclaiming that their EOL Kuro is still the "best". Well good for you, your old tv that can't be had for new anymore has amazing blacks. Good to know, we get it. Go enjoy those inky blacks and leave the Panasonic threads to, well....Panasonic.

If they weren't considered by many calibrators and reviewers worth their salt to be a reference panel, you might have a point. Otherwise all you have is sour grapes. Five years on, it's time for Panasonic to decidedly and soundly put the king to rest.

Yeah, but aren't these reviewers just using the blacks as a reference? That's just one quality of a tv and from my understanding the newer panasonics are better in almost any other aspect (correct me if I'm wrong). This seems to me like comparing all new sports cars, with awesome new dash electronics, safety features, handling improvements, mpg improvements, etc. and saying "yeah, but it can't do 0-60 in a straight line as fast as my 1960's muscle car (ie, just picking 1 aspect for comparison).

I don't own, and have never seen a kuro, and I get that it is a reference point to blacks, but aren't these newer panasonics better tvs all around?

Sure, that's the MAIN point of reference and the Panasonics certainly excel in other areas (but not all of them), but it's pretty telling when CNET reviewer, Katzmaier, admits to preferring the overall PQ of the 2008 panel: