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post #61 of 1446
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

The best thing Panasonic could do for 2013 is spend a little coin on TV advertising. Let the public know what the plasma technology has to offer compared to LCD technology. We all know what the differences are but for crying out loud, there are still people out there that think you need to change out the plasma gas every three years. I actually heard a salesman at Costco tell a customer that, this year.

Most tv ads try to show off their models showing what the tv reproduces on the tv you own and are watching.My question
,therefore,is this:
If the Tv I own and watch,shows a beautiful picture on the one being advertised,why in hell
would I need,and want to buy a new TV?
post #62 of 1446
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

So, side-by-side you can hardly tell a difference but you can more easily tell them apart when they are not side-by-side. lolwut. tongue.gif

The black level difference is the only difference I can notice when they are not side by side. When side by side, they look damn near identical except for black level (black bars, dark scenes). I should have been more clear smile.gif
post #63 of 1446
Thanks for the clarification.smile.gif
post #64 of 1446
You may see a 4K TV from Panasonic next year. They can make 8K plasma's and LG and sony are releasing 4K TVs this year. It wouldn't be a stretch for Panny to offer a 4K plasma next year at their top end. Maybe the VT will be 4K or maybe the'll have something like an XT that's 4K and costs $10,000 for a 65".
post #65 of 1446
I'd be absolutely satisfied with this years Black levels, when it comes to the UT50. At this point i just want even 'better' motion handeling +
Zero artifacts/dithering when gaming...Possibly to the level of a CRT. And most importantly LESS input lag than this years Panasonic lineup.
post #66 of 1446
I would like to see next years Panasonics produce a sharper crisper image like the previous models did. The 2012s are soft and lacking detail on 720p sources and content - my old 2009 G10 is much crisper and much more detailed with those same exact sources. Even 1080i content is a little softer, but it's nowhere near as bad as it is on 720p. It's the only thing i don't like about my GT50 and it astounds me that Panasonic would let this happen on the 2012 models. But my new Darbee Dablet has greatly improved this issue and adds detail that the TV should have been displaying in the first place, but even with the Darbee the GT50 still isn't as crisp as my G10.
post #67 of 1446
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

I've had 3 since 2010 (2 Samsungs 64' 3D & current 65VT50).
It would be nice to have a larger screen. Like someone already said a 65" is lacking to folks like me. I'd be satisfied with nothing less than a 75" PDP. As for what do we expect to see in 2013. Perhaps they could make the 3D picture even brighter and for those who get their picture OTA (like me) a sorley needed update to the on screen channel information display which is as bare bones as you can get. It lacks any pertinent information on the bare basics of the content you are watching. It's the worse by far I've ever seen. My 49.00 digital box coughs up more information. For a flag ship set their OTA on screen information is embarrasing. In comparison, the Samsungs sets I've had are miles ahead. I did make this complaint known to Panasonic.
The absolute lack of program information and a more complete channel guide has always been my major complaint with Panasonic plasmas when connected to an OTA antenna. Samsung clearly excels in this category, and most LG plasmas now provide this info as well. It is nice to have a description of the program you are watching, and even Samsung's entry level 720p models provide the program info. Panasonic needs to correct this major omission, but not sure if a firmware upgrade would be able to do it. But definitely in future models. But on a positive note, the Panny plasmas this year do have a very good OTA tuner.
post #68 of 1446
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I would like to see next years Panasonics produce a sharper crisper image like the previous models did. The 2012s are soft and lacking detail on 720p sources and content - my old 2009 G10 is much crisper and much more detailed with those same exact sources. Even 1080i content is a little softer, but it's nowhere near as bad as it is on 720p. It's the only thing i don't like about my GT50 and it astounds me that Panasonic would let this happen on the 2012 models. But my new Darbee Dablet has greatly improved this issue and adds detail that the TV should have been displaying in the first place, but even with the Darbee the GT50 still isn't as crisp as my G10.

Randy. Did your Darblet make a difference?
post #69 of 1446
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

Most tv ads try to show off their models showing what the tv reproduces on the tv you own and are watching.My question
,therefore,is this:
If the Tv I own and watch,shows a beautiful picture on the one being advertised,why in hell
would I need,and want to buy a new TV?

It is impossible to show off the PQ of any advertised display regardless if your set has a good picture or a terrible picture. It will only render to it's best ability. Perhaps they could make a few technical comparisons like black levels, off axis viewing, game playing advantages, overall rendition of the picture. The ad would have to clever, easy to understand, and be delivered by a known personality perceived to be technically knowledgeable. Several current recording stars meet that standard as do several actors. They just need to be convincing (naturally). I'm sure that several advertising agencies could come up with commercials aimed at the correct audiences. Maybe they could use a clever little green lizard.
post #70 of 1446
Another slightly off-topic post, but what does everyone think of the 2011 (ST/GT/VT30) series now that the dust has settled? In comparison to the xx50 series?

I bought the 55ST30 last year, and couldn't be happier - arguably the best PQ in the price range from a year ago (purchased June 2011). My parents bought a Sony 55HX820 (my other choice at the time)... and let's just say I'm very very happy I chose the Panasonic.
post #71 of 1446
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Originally Posted by luigionlsd View Post

Another slightly off-topic post, but what does everyone think of the 2011 (ST/GT/VT30) series now that the dust has settled? In comparison to the xx50 series?
I bought the 55ST30 last year, and couldn't be happier - arguably the best PQ in the price range from a year ago (purchased June 2011). My parents bought a Sony 55HX820 (my other choice at the time)... and let's just say I'm very very happy I chose the Panasonic.

I have the VT30 myself, and love it.
Are the 2012 Pannys better than the 2011's? Yes, by all reports. They do get better every year, and the jump this year may be larger than most previous years. But is it worth upgrading? IMO, no (although many here will disagree -- IMO, it's not cost effective to upgrade each and every year). If you love what you have, just sit back and enjoy. Besides, in 6 months, you'll be reading about the 2013's and how they are even better than the 2012's!
post #72 of 1446
Tech will always improve or at least I hope so but you can drive yourself crazy and broke trying to keep up if what you have is satisfying enjoy it till it breaks or the need to upgrade is worth it.
My last TV purchase was 8yrs ago needless to say i got an improvement in every way so it more than justified the recent purchase.
post #73 of 1446
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

You may see a 4K TV from Panasonic next year. They can make 8K plasma's and LG and sony are releasing 4K TVs this year. It wouldn't be a stretch for Panny to offer a 4K plasma next year at their top end. Maybe the VT will be 4K or maybe the'll have something like an XT that's 4K and costs $10,000 for a 65".

4K plasma sets would be nice to compete with the 4K OLED sets. I doubt a 65" 4K plasma will be $10K. The picture won't be as bright since the pixels will be smaller, that is assuming they make the current sizes in 4K resolution next year. Maybe they will have to implement the 10 lumens tech to achieve the same brightness level as the 2012 Panasonic plasma sets. Who knows, but a 4K plasma will be sweet. Only thing that is missing is the source.
post #74 of 1446
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Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529 View Post

4K plasma sets would be nice to compete with the 4K OLED sets. I doubt a 65" 4K plasma will be $10K. The picture won't be as bright since the pixels will be smaller, that is assuming they make the current sizes in 4K resolution next year. Maybe they will have to implement the 10 lumens tech to achieve the same brightness level as the 2012 Panasonic plasma sets. Who knows, but a 4K plasma will be sweet. Only thing that is missing is the source.

I'd be all for 4k plasma if there is good upconversion tech- which Sony's Blu-ray player seems capable of for high def movies. 4k, for me, seems most important after zero black hits. Those 500m owners will tell you, with a low enough apl, you can make the picture look grey.

That's what I'm wondering with a 4k set- the brightness will definitely take a hit unless they do something different to maximize light output. Although they were showing an 8k set at IFA that didn't look dim at all, which makes me wonder what they've got in store for 4k sets. I'm not even sure we'll see 4k plasma, as OLED and LCD might be more appropriate for that resolution.

Sorry for the off topic, but I have no idea why there is this push for 84" 4k lcds, which will most likely be waaaay past 10k. Who the heck really wants an 84" set except a small minority? That's just so ridiculously large. After seeing the 80" Sharp in person, it's great if you've got the room, but if these sets are actually going to account for a real percentage of sales in the marketplace in the next few years, I just don't get it, aside from them not having the capacity to go towards a higher pixel pitch and actually fitting that many pixels on a 55" or 60" screen, because from many accounts, the difference is definitely noticeable. They might not be there yet for pixel density, though.
post #75 of 1446
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

I'd be all for 4k plasma if there is good upconversion tech- which Sony's Blu-ray player seems capable of for high def movies. 4k, for me, seems most important after zero black hits. Those 500m owners will tell you, with a low enough apl, you can make the picture look grey.
That's what I'm wondering with a 4k set- the brightness will definitely take a hit unless they do something different to maximize light output. Although they were showing an 8k set at IFA that didn't look dim at all, which makes me wonder what they've got in store for 4k sets. I'm not even sure we'll see 4k plasma, as OLED and LCD might be more appropriate for that resolution.
Sorry for the off topic, but I have no idea why there is this push for 84" 4k lcds, which will most likely be waaaay past 10k. Who the heck really wants an 84" set except a small minority? That's just so ridiculously large. After seeing the 80" Sharp in person, it's great if you've got the room, but if these sets are actually going to account for a real percentage of sales in the marketplace in the next few years, I just don't get it, aside from them not having the capacity to go towards a higher pixel pitch and actually fitting that many pixels on a 55" or 60" screen, because from many accounts, the difference is definitely noticeable. They might not be there yet for pixel density, though.

The 8K plasma at IFA was a 145". It shouldn't look dim since nobody has ever own one. If you put an 1080p 145" panel side by side to 8K panel, it will make the 8K set look dim. The smaller the pixels the less light output it can produce. The only way to get better light output on higher resolution plasma panel is to implement 10 lumens tech in these sets. The current panasonic sets uses 5 lumens tech if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure we will see 4K plasma to compete with the 4K OLED and LCD/LED sets. Remember, plasma are cheaper to produce in the bigger sizes than other flat panel technologies.

I figure if you are going to get a set bigger than 65", you might as well get a front projector. You will save a lot of money, but 65"+ panels is what people want and the manufacturers are responding to it.
post #76 of 1446
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Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529 View Post

The 8K plasma at IFA was a 145". It shouldn't look dim since nobody has ever own one. If you put an 1080p 145" panel side by side to 8K panel, it will make the 8K set look dim. The smaller the pixels the less light output it can produce. The only way to get better light output on higher resolution plasma panel is to implement 10 lumens tech in these sets. The current panasonic sets uses 5 lumens tech if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure we will see 4K plasma to compete with the 4K OLED and LCD/LED sets. Remember, plasma are cheaper to produce in the bigger sizes than other flat panel technologies.
I figure if you are going to get a set bigger than 65", you might as well get a front projector. You will save a lot of money, but 65"+ panels is what people want and the manufacturers are responding to it.

Last I heard, there has never been 5 lumen tech in Panasonic plasmas, so it doesn't look like 10 lumen is likely to happen.
post #77 of 1446
Really? what lumens at they at then?
post #78 of 1446
I think it was 2 something.

Pioneer was at 3.7 lumens per watt, for the 9Gs, I believe
post #79 of 1446
Really? Can't be. I have the TC-P42ST30 and it is pretty bright. I might have to ask D-NICE about this. If it is indeed 2 lumens, then if they moved to 5 or 10 lumens in the near future then it will be brighter than LEDs
post #80 of 1446
what can we expect from 2013 Panasonic plasmas?

Japan's Panasonic Corp will cut production of LCD and plasma panels for televisions in 2013 as sales continue to remain below expectations...The Japanese electronics company will now focus on small and midsize panels for tablets and other products...


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/16/us-panasonic-lcd-nikkei-idUSBRE89F1BQ20121016
post #81 of 1446
I saw this news over at a Apple news-blog as well.

This sucks! I really liked their plasmas. Great image quality. Still better than any LCD I've seen.
post #82 of 1446
They are still releasing 2013 Plasmas, as pointed out in the other threads, just with lower production levels due to lower demand (due to idiot consumers wanting expensive thin LEDs with horrible PQ)
post #83 of 1446
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Originally Posted by grambo View Post

They are still releasing 2013 Plasmas, as pointed out in the other threads, just with lower production levels due to lower demand (due to idiot consumers wanting expensive thin LEDs with horrible PQ)

I'm sure we'll see new models in 2013 but the end is definitely coming...plus I'm not sure if Panasonic will ever fully implement their Kuro tech and they only purchased the tech to keep it out of the hands of competitors...so incremantal improvements until the end of days...unfortunately LED/OLED is the future...plasma just isn't popular enough with mainstream consumers
post #84 of 1446
^Unfortunately in the case of LED, yes, but I'm not writing off OLED just yet (but I'm getting there).
post #85 of 1446
the Reuters reports says:
"Japan's Panasonic Corp will cut production of LCD and plasma panels for televisions in 2013 as sales continue to remain below expectations, the Nikkei said. The Japanese electronics company will now focus on small and midsize panels for tablets and other products,"

Reading between the lines indicates that televisions are done... They will only make panels for tablets and other products...
post #86 of 1446
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

the Reuters reports says:
"Japan's Panasonic Corp will cut production of LCD and plasma panels for televisions in 2013 as sales continue to remain below expectations, the Nikkei said. The Japanese electronics company will now focus on small and midsize panels for tablets and other products,"
Reading between the lines indicates that televisions are done... They will only make panels for tablets and other products...

Despite these sudden rumors they are not discontinuing Plasma TVs, and they are not getting out of the TV business. They are scaling back production of their Plasma and LCD TVs since demand for TVs is low. This is part of their ongoing strategy that they started about 3 years ago.

They have been reducing the number of models every year so i expect them to offer fewer models in 2013. There is already too much overlap on the 6 current models. I could see them reducing that to 5, 4, or even 3 models in 2013.

They are indeed going after Apple's tablet panel business which should be a gold mine.
post #87 of 1446
The problem with set mfg's is the same with autos 6 flavors of the vehicle 6 variations of the panels equals higher inventory and parts replacement costs at least some auto mfg's got it right entry,mid and high end.
post #88 of 1446
I agree entry , mid and high but with reasonable pricing. That Elite from Sharp way too expensive It's Just a TV. There are way too many models , and I wouldn't doubt it that consumers are confused , Samsung has a lot of models with in each entry , mid and high, but hey people love choice but it can be very confusing.
post #89 of 1446
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

I agree entry , mid and high but with reasonable pricing. That Elite from Sharp way too expensive It's Just a TV. There are way too many models , and I wouldn't doubt it that consumers are confused , Samsung has a lot of models with in each entry , mid and high, but hey people love choice but it can be very confusing.

The problem with to many models is they always butcher sales of other models leading to loss of profits in the name of moving a brand something akin to the PC laptop market.
post #90 of 1446
I really hope Plasmas don't get discontinued, I have a 59" which I love, really want to go bigger, but someone needs to release a 70"+ before I upgrade. Hopefully they stick around and release a reasonably priced 80"+ 4K "UHD" set by 2016.
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