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post #661 of 1445
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I would upgrade from a 65ST30 to 65ZT50 any day of the week.

How about the VT50 vs the ZT50?
post #662 of 1445
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

It means a higher electric bill. For someone like me (electricity rates vary widely) it would probably mean $150 in electric bills per year higher than if I had an LCD screen.

That would imply the set is on 12+ hours a day...
post #663 of 1445
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

That would imply the set is on 12+ hours a day...

Gotta run slides, man. Gotta run slides. wink.gif
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post #665 of 1445
Well, the price is better than anyone expected. I have to suspect that $3,849 is not SRP.
post #666 of 1445
it's a nice price even i do the math for my country...but i will wait until 2014. Project Jupiter looks promising smile.gif (I don't know what it is...but i prefer a probably ZT70)
post #667 of 1445
And I'll wait until 2016 because my ZT90 at that point will be way better than your crappy ZT70
post #668 of 1445
You don't understand in my country i have to work 3 times more to get one 65ZT60...it's no easy buy a new tv every year. And i spent money on my 60GT50 last year.

No everyone lives in first world nation...be calm and more understandable...i'm here because all the knowledge that i can learn for most of the guys in the forum smile.gif
post #669 of 1445
^^^

You have a great TV. Go and watch it. Stop torturing yourself about something that isn't even on the market. Socrates said; "A man is rich when his wants are few". Every year this shite goes on and next year it'll go on again. I believe Panny has always been able to match the blacks of the Kuro but they dole it out bit by bit to keep people buying new TV's. Marketing, business and sales.
post #670 of 1445
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

You don't understand in my country i have to work 3 times more to get one 65ZT60...it's no easy buy a new tv every year. And i spent money on my 60GT50 last year.

No everyone lives in first world nation...be calm and more understandable...i'm here because all the knowledge that i can learn for most of the guys in the forum smile.gif
Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling a great many more will soon feel what it's like to live in such a nation, so don't feel isolated! Oops, did I just go political?

In any case, you should definitely enjoy what you have in the meantime. smile.gif You could've done a lot worse.
post #671 of 1445
Thanks glashub and vinnie97...i know that your situation it's not good at all right now, for housing bubble and economyc recession and maybe even some of you can't afford a new tv every year but for not be off topic I really hope that this year you get a "Kuro Succesor" with reference blacks smile.gif
post #672 of 1445
Thanks, agkss, so do I and good luck to you. biggrin.gif It's only been 5 years (on the Kuro succession point). wink.gif Short of paying D-Nice $450 for a calibration of my current Kuro, I hope the ZT can match at least what I have now.
post #673 of 1445
When are they going to produce the ZT-996 Hemi?
post #674 of 1445
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

You don't understand in my country i have to work 3 times more to get one 65ZT60...it's no easy buy a new tv every year. And i spent money on my 60GT50 last year.

No everyone lives in first world nation...be calm and more understandable...i'm here because all the knowledge that i can learn for most of the guys in the forum smile.gif

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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

Thanks glashub and vinnie97...i know that your situation it's not good at all right now, for housing bubble and economyc recession and maybe even some of you can't afford a new tv every year but for not be off topic I really hope that this year you get a "Kuro Succesor" with reference blacks smile.gif


Things are not all that grand here in this country either, seriously.wink.gif The wife has finally given me the go ahead and start looking into a new set this year and as much as I'd love to wait for Jupiter, I'm simply not going to do it. 7 years with a 720P Samsung DLP is long enough and my set now has some serious issues, so it's time to step up. I really wanted to jump on a GT or VT last year but things weren't financially great and waiting around looks to have paid off this year. Knowing that I'll want to upgrade in a few years or so, probably stick with the VT60 that way it won't sting so bad later and I'll earn some brownie points with the wife as well. biggrin.gif By the way, I think you have a fantastic set and I'd sit back and enjoy it until Jupiter or maybe even something better comes along, but that's just me. Take care, Gary.
post #675 of 1445
Thanks Gary, always is good to meet good people in the forum and i enjoy reading you guys, you have enthusiasm when write about A/V...I hope that all of you get a great tv smile.gif

Greetings D-Nice and thank you for sharing all your knowledge, i hope watch you via streaming on the Shootout 2013. It will be awesome biggrin.gif
post #676 of 1445
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

That would imply the set is on 12+ hours a day...
I guess you missed the part where I said it depends on your electrical rate.
post #677 of 1445
Only $400 from 60 to 65? I will be hoping no one settles for the tiny 60. I'll be around to give BBY a hand with a deep discount 60 that they just can't give away. wink.gif
post #678 of 1445
So or everyone who is going to buy a new ZT60 or any of the 2013, what do you do with your crappy old VT50?? (pun intended)

What would they sell for used (ST, GT or VT 65")

Or do you just move the old one to the next room down? (that's what I do, I have never sold a TV in my like.
post #679 of 1445
Pricing? Am I missing something?

Why is the ST 60" & 65" a HUGE price difference and the ZT & VT not?

ZT 60" $3,450 add $400 you get the ZT 65" $3,850

VT 60" $2,900 add $250 you get the 65" $3,150

St 60" $1,900 add $900 you get the 65" $2,800

$900 more for the ST??? eek.gif

http://tc-p65zt60.com/ST60_Series.html
Edited by CarguyHere - 1/29/13 at 7:56pm
post #680 of 1445
What the heck is a Jupiter? Pannys new tech?
post #681 of 1445
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

it's a nice price even i do the math for my country...but i will wait until 2014. Project Jupiter looks promising smile.gif (I don't know what it is...but i prefer a probably ZT70)

How can it look promising when nobody even knows that it is? It could be a sound bar for all we know and not even some future TV. Or it could be a holographic display technology slated for 2017 wink.gif

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

What the heck is a Jupiter? Pannys new tech?

It's apparently top secret and only AVJ knows, and over at HDJ he said he's not going to talk about it. Aside from his one mention of that name, there is zero information about what it is.
post #682 of 1445
I think that could be next year tv or 2017 like you said...just like he said "Project Velvet" = red phosphor. Or maybe another prototype...o whatever...i will buy another panasonic's tv sooner or later. biggrin.gif

PS: Yes snoobley even with the 2012 you would be blown away...
post #683 of 1445
Regarding the future and speculation....since the ZT60 is a new panel, isn't this likely it would be used again for 2014? Are new panels ever used for just one year by Panasonic?
post #684 of 1445
maybe the ZT60 it's a "special one" and next year they make another panel...please correct me if i wrong the VT20, VT30 and VT50...all of them don't had a different panel?
post #685 of 1445
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Originally Posted by snoobley View Post

How much of a step up are the 2013 panasonic and samsung plasmas from a 2009 panasonic 58v10 (my current tv)? To be honest I was always kind of disappointed in my 2009 model and I'm looking to upgrade this year. Would I be blown away by the picture quality difference?
I went from a 2009 S1 to a 2012 UT50 and I think it was a worthwhile step up. If the black rise never happened on the older Pannies or it wasn't fixed on the 2012s, however, I wouldn't have made the upgrade.
post #686 of 1445
Jeez, well now I'm wondering what a VT50 typically measures in cinema mode for mll?

D-Nice are you able to make recommendations at this time as to whether the ZT60 would be an upgrade for 9/9.5G Kuro owners with regard to picture quality?
post #687 of 1445
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I guess you missed the part where I said it depends on your electrical rate.

According to cnet, the estimated annual cost of use of a 55" plasma is about $60 based upon 12 cent rate from memory. The cost of even a miserly led is a third at $20. That puts his rate at 3.5 times the 12 cent rate.

If you look at the highest cost here...http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/204.htm of hawaii at 25 cents, you're looking at either a rate even higher or a hell of a lot of use to make his statement true.

The truth here is the relative cost of a plasma in respects of electricity is well overly exaggerated and easily overcome in most cases by the added costs to buy an led.
post #688 of 1445
So the pricing looks great to me, although again we don't know what the VE numbers are vs. SRP. Last year, Robert's pre-order pricing wasn't very attractive vs. what came later (although his service always is top notch, so please don't mis-interpret that). If I were buying in the coming year, $700 to go from VT --> ZT feels like a no brainer. Figure a 5-year (the math gets better if you are looking longer) TV life and that's well under 50 cents per day for something many of use 3-4 hours each day.... Or, looked at differently, far less than the cost of one Starbucks a week.

What I suppose we won't know for a while is whether there is even better pricing from discounters. In other words, do the Paul's TVs of the world have the ability to make that price closer to the $3000 mark.

Either way, whether SRP is $4500, $4300 or $4000, an immediate street price of $3850 seems pretty appealing, given the opening offers last year on the VT50.

Enjoy folks!

EDIT: As for all the black-level kerfuffle, I did mention in one of my posts that I felt the VT50 at CES wasn't demoed at its fullest. (And that since I have one, I have a pretty good sense of that.) I'm not surprised at all they rigged the demo, but that doesn't mean the ZT60 won't be good. It just seems to me, as I've also posted, that I doubt the upgrade is going to boggle most people's minds.
post #689 of 1445
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

So the pricing looks great to me, although again we don't know what the VE numbers are vs. SRP. Last year, Robert's pre-order pricing wasn't very attractive vs. what came later (although his service always is top notch, so please don't mis-interpret that). If I were buying in the coming year, $700 to go from VT --> ZT feels like a no brainer. Figure a 5-year (the math gets better if you are looking longer) TV life and that's well under 50 cents per day for something many of use 3-4 hours each day.... Or, looked at differently, far less than the cost of one Starbucks a week.

What I suppose we won't know for a while is whether there is even better pricing from discounters. In other words, do the Paul's TVs of the world have the ability to make that price closer to the $3000 mark.

Either way, whether SRP is $4500, $4300 or $4000, an immediate street price of $3850 seems pretty appealing, given the opening offers last year on the VT50.

Enjoy folks!

For what it's worth, my local magnolia av center (which carries oppo, mcinstosh, arcam) said prices for the zt60s will start with a 5...
Edited by winston9332 - 1/27/13 at 1:55pm
post #690 of 1445
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

For what it's worth, my local magnolia av center (which carries oppo, mcinstosh, arcam) said prices for the vt60s will start with a 5...

If VT60s start with "5" the ZT series must start with G as in gazillion
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