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post #691 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

For what it's worth, my local magnolia av center (which carries oppo, mcinstosh, arcam) said prices for the vt60s will start with a 5...

If VT60s start with "5" the ZT series must start with G as in gazillion
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post #692 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:40pm
^Yikes. Pricing themselves right out of business.
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post #693 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:47pm
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It's apparently top secret and only AVJ knows, and over at HDJ he said he's not going to talk about it. Aside from his one mention of that name, there is zero information about what it is.

How charming.
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post #694 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:50pm
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Pro-151 = $6500
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Plasma/PRO-151FD
Pro- 111= $4500
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Plasma/PRO-111FD
Panasonic 65VT50 = $2283.00 pre tax.

The Kuro prices began to plummet because no one was willing to pay retail. They didn't fall from price matching...they fell because they weren't selling at those prices....and Pioneer announced early on that they were quitting the display business (which always kills prices).

So you list the msrps of two examples knowing full-well that 99% paid nowhere near them (or completely ignorant to the fact which is fantastically difficult to believe) and then a ridiculous exp of your wannabe argument-maker (with no link, handily)- hundreds more than what it actually sold for from 99% of reputable vendors at it's most affordable. Lmao.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

James
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post #695 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by J__Chris View Post

If VT60s start with "5" the ZT series must start with G as in gazillion

I mistyped...zts to start w a 5
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post #696 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:57pm
Maybe when the ZT/VT demo was set up, Panasonic compared each picture mode and found the cinema mode showed the biggest difference. So that was the mode they decided to use.
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post #697 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

I mistyped...zts to start w a 5
That's more like it. I guess Magnolia thinks they have a Kuro killer on their hands. wink.gif
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post #698 of 1446
1/27/13 at 1:58pm
i think that the prices must be no more than that because it's not a secret...panasonic it's not making money with their tv's. Put a $5000 VT60 or $6000 a ZT60 and they will be out of the businees.
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post #699 of 1446
1/27/13 at 2:06pm
So likely a $2500 VT 65" out of the gate that will almost certainly better a VT 50?

Ok, then.

James
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post #700 of 1446
1/27/13 at 2:28pm
Excuse me, there was another long '13 panasonic thread started only a few weeks ago, but I can't find it now.
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post #701 of 1446
1/27/13 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Leon! View Post

Excuse me, there was another long '13 panasonic thread started only a few weeks ago, but I can't find it now.

Was it this one? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450235/ces-panasonic-unveils-2013-tvs-new-smart-tv-interface
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post #702 of 1446
1/27/13 at 2:44pm
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So you list the msrps of two examples knowing full-well that 99% paid nowhere near them (or completely ignorant to the fact which is fantastically difficult to believe) and then a ridiculous exp of your wannabe argument-maker (with no link, handily)- hundreds more than what it actually sold for from 99% of reputable vendors at it's most affordable. Lmao.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

James

Why so angry James? Your post is barely comprehansible. I sleep well no matter what happens on this forum. I've nearly lost my life twice. Gives me perspective that it's only a friggin' TV and having a Kuro ain't getting anyone to heaven and nobody can take their Kuro with them. wink.gif

I owned 2 Kuros. I was on them long before most people. I remember the length of time they were sold at MSRP and when one could get a discount. Those prices are what the 9gs listed at after the much touted 8g.

Looks like you got in late in the game when the were sold dirt cheap.
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post #703 of 1446
1/27/13 at 3:22pm
I'm still unsure if I'll get it but I am tempted - I really wish they had come out with a larger model and dropped the reflective frame.
Edited by boe - 1/27/13 at 3:58pm
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post #704 of 1446
1/27/13 at 8:24pm
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According to cnet, the estimated annual cost of use of a 55" plasma is about $60 based upon 12 cent rate from memory. The cost of even a miserly led is a third at $20. That puts his rate at 3.5 times the 12 cent rate.

If you look at the highest cost here...http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/204.htm of hawaii at 25 cents, you're looking at either a rate even higher or a hell of a lot of use to make his statement true.

The truth here is the relative cost of a plasma in respects of electricity is well overly exaggerated and easily overcome in most cases by the added costs to buy an led.

With no pushback from above, looks like you made a good point. wink.gif
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post #705 of 1446
1/28/13 at 5:35am
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Why so angry James? Your post is barely comprehansible. I sleep well no matter what happens on this forum. I've nearly lost my life twice. Gives me perspective that it's only a friggin' TV and having a Kuro ain't getting anyone to heaven and nobody can take their Kuro with them. wink.gif

I owned 2 Kuros. I was on them long before most people. I remember the length of time they were sold at MSRP and when one could get a discount. Those prices are what the 9gs listed at after the much touted 8g.

Looks like you got in late in the game when the were sold dirt cheap.

Angry? bit dramatic, are we? Not even close.

Barely "COMPREHANSIBLE"? My post was concise, straightforward, and correct.

Good grief. You posted completely misleading and false information and got called on it is all. List price is of course all but inconsequential in the modern markeptlace. It's not about a suggested anything from a CEM...it's about what vendors can get for them...and it wasn't $6500 for the Elite for very long at all.

I bought my 6020 LONG before (5 months) there were even whispers about Pioneer leaving the business, and when 60" Elites could be had for about $4200 (and lower)...which I simply was not willing to pay at the time. Go and check the 9G Kuro thread...you'll see how long they were selling at MSRP.

Yeah, we all realize it's "just a tv" but that doesn't mean people can state whatever they choose, unchecked. Misrepresenting reality here won't give you a lot of traction with folks who follow the industry this closely.

James
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post #706 of 1446
1/28/13 at 5:42am
Who are you arguing with? Care to recapitulate? MSRP is the only standard to judge 2 sets by. Pio had an MSRP as did Panny! What you or anyone else says they paid is debatable. I use published prices. You do not!
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post #707 of 1446
1/28/13 at 5:47am
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Angry? bit dramatic, are we? Not even close.

Barely "COMPREHANSIBLE"? My post was concise, straightforward, and correct.

Good grief. You posted completely misleading and false information and got called on it is all. List price is of course all but inconsequential in the modern markeptlace. It's not about a suggested anything from a CEM...it's about what vendors can get for them...and it wasn't $6500 for the Elite for very long at all.

I bought my 6020 LONG before (5 months) there were even whispers about Pioneer leaving the business, and when 60" Elites could be had for about $4200 (and lower)...which I simply was not willing to pay at the time. Go and check the 9G Kuro thread...you'll see how long they were selling at MSRP.

Yeah, we all realize it's "just a tv" but that doesn't mean people can state whatever they choose, unchecked. Misrepresenting reality here won't give you a lot of traction with folks who follow the industry this closely.

James


I agree 100% -
I paid just over 4k and was not late to the Kuro party. Authorized dealer in fact he resides here still. I also own two Pioneers .... . I'd pay that again today if someone had one w/zero or close to zero hours on it , in a NY minute. I know people really late in the game paid way more , but the guys in the middle of the game paid even less. As inventories shrunk the price rose. At the very end they were gouging asking for kidneys and livers and double lungs and one even wanted your heart. The 600m-500m were after that....they were not even close to 6500.00 either. (if you could get one without broken glass)
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post #708 of 1446
1/28/13 at 5:48am
^ yeah thanks, usual suspects, what can I say. Any human can go right on the thread and see dozens paying 15-20% below that msrp within weeks of its release. Simple as that. Much cheaper still as the summer wound down.

Is the panny vt50 an outstanding display that's less expensive that an Elite? Absolutely. But is nearly as ridiculously priced against an Elite as some try to imply? Not at all. And let's not even consider the 6020 which was a good grand cheaper and an extremely similay performing unit to the Elite in most regards. The new Sharp Elite? Joke, price-wise.

Oh, and it's been a HALF DECADE. mind you.

I- like MOST Kuro owners- OVERWHELMINGLY am an image-quality enthusiast FIRST and Kuro fan somewhere else down the scale.

I wholeheartedly DESIRE and EXPECT Panny to finally knock it out...then I guess I'll be a "ZT whore" and we can start a whole new brand of childish, name-calling, nonsense.

Go figure.


James
Edited by mastermaybe - 1/28/13 at 6:10am
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post #709 of 1446
1/28/13 at 5:51am
How many of you believe that MSRP for the 60" ZT60 will be $4,999 or more?

My reaction is, simply, "NO WAY". I could see the MSRP at $3,999 though.
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post #710 of 1446
1/28/13 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

^ yeah thanks, usual suspects, what can I say. Any human can go right on the thread and see dozens paying 15-20% below that msrp within weeks of its release. Simple as that.


James

SO WHAT???? Anyone can buy anything 15-20% off! What's your point? What are you trying to prove? The usual suspects show up to argue over nothing. I sold my Kuro (111fd) and bought my 65VT50 for 50% off MSRP. That does not make it relevant unless I produce a receipt...same with you. Show us the proof. Show us the numbers. MSRP is published. You’re dealing in conjecture and hearsay.
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post #711 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Who are you arguing with? Care to recapitulate? MSRP is the only standard to judge 2 sets by. Pio had an MSRP as did Panny! What you or anyone else says they paid is debatable. I use published prices. You do not!

But you didn't. You listed the msrps of the Pioneers and some stupid, all-but unattainable "street price" for the Panasonic. Check the post. Understand the distinction.

As a side note: the fact that you may actually believe the msrp garbage, is startling.

Have a great week.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 1/28/13 at 6:24am
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post #712 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:15am
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SO WHAT???? Anyone can buy anything 15-20% off! What's your point? What are you trying to prove? The usual suspects show up to argue over nothing. I sold my Kuro (111fd) and bought my 65VT50 for 50% off MSRP. That does not make it relevant unless I produce a receipt...same with you. Show us the proof. Show us the numbers. MSRP is published. You’re dealing in conjecture and hearsay.

No, it's called reality.

Do I need to put it in bold typeface?

BTW: for those who care for the truth and transparency, panasonic's MSRP for the VT50 65" : $3999.

A little different than posting $2200, but heh, who's counting?

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 1/28/13 at 6:23am
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post #713 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:21am
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How many of you believe that MSRP for the 60" ZT60 will be $4,999 or more?

My reaction is, simply, "NO WAY". I could see the MSRP at $3,999 though.

Pretty much agreed. I simply do not believe ANY 65" plasma- regardless of how it performs- could be marketed and sold any higher, at this juncture. Sure, you'll get the PQ die-hards, but you HAVE to be able to pull some folks looking for great performance away from the $3,000+ leds. A discounted $3,999 set affords for that.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 1/28/13 at 6:28am
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post #714 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:27am
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Pretty much agreed. I simply do not believe ANY 65" plasma- regardless of how it performs- could be marketed and sold any higher, at this juncture. Sure, you'll get the PQ die-hards, but you HAVE to be able to pull some folks looking for great performance away from the $3,000 leds.

James

Sharp sells 60" Elites at roughly $5K...it's clear Panasonic is marketing this as an alternative to the Elites to Magnolia and some other local high end dealers. They are not out to sell a lot. I do think we'll see the 60" zt60 flirt with sub $4K pricing come late 2013.
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post #715 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:34am
^ I hear you, but I'd bet not a lot of them- at all (re Sharp and the Elites). I too do not believe they're looking for volume out of the ZT, but I still feel they're going to have a hard time marketing a $5,000 plasma in 2013.

Remains to be seen, I suppose. With one vendor already dishing them at $3800 for the folks you KNOW are going to be buying them sight unseen, I don't think $3999 is likely too far off.

You could be right though and perhaps the new VT is there to beat up on the higher-end LED's. Sounds reasonable to me.

James
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post #716 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:44am
"Sharp sells 60" Elites at roughly $5K...it's clear Panasonic is marketing this as an alternative to the Elites to Magnolia and some other local high end dealers. They are not out to sell a lot. I do think we'll see the 60" zt60 flirt with sub $4K pricing come late 2013."

I must be missing something here. One store is already selling the 60ZT60 for $3449 and the 65ZT60 for $3849. They say these are LIST prices.
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post #717 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:51am
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BTW: for those who care for the truth and transparency, panasonic's MSRP for the VT50 65" : $3999.

Actually the MSRP on the 65" VT50 was reduced to $3,699 in February of 2012, and was still in effect when the TV was finally released in May. It remained at that price all year and at EOP in December, it still MSRP'd at $3,699. FWIW.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386141/official-panasonic-2012-lineup-and-information-thread-no-price-talk/150#post_21620176
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post #718 of 1446
1/28/13 at 6:53am
As said above there is a very reputable site/dealer already showing the price of the 60" and 65". 65" TC-P65ZT60 $3,849, TC-P60ZT60 $3,449. Seems all they did was remove he GT and place the VT in its place as far as price is concerned and the ZT takes the VT's old pricing range approximately.
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post #719 of 1446
1/28/13 at 7:06am
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With no pushback from above, looks like you made a good point. wink.gif
Fine - perhaps my math is wrong but this is how I came up with my numbers. My family watches an average of 4 hours a day. I multiplied 185 (watts - conservative) * .13 (13 cents) *.01 (kw to w) *4 (hours) * 365 days then I compared it to an energy star unit at the high end of still meeting requirements 108 watts. When I originally gave my estimate I was just guestimating but here is the math.

185* 0.13* 0.01* 4* 365 = $351.13

108* 0.13* 0.01* 4* 365 = $204.98
Edited by boe - 1/29/13 at 8:45am
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post #720 of 1446
1/28/13 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually the MSRP on the 65" VT50 was reduced to $3,699 in February of 2012, and was still in effect when the TV was finally released in May. It remained at that price all year and at EOP in December, it still MSRP'd at $3,699. FWIW.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386141/official-panasonic-2012-lineup-and-information-thread-no-price-talk/150#post_21620176

Fair enough, I stand corrected. Thanks.

James
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