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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

What is the best fL you've experienced on any consumer plasma?
I hate to answer for him, but he's pulled an amazing feat on his Pioneer 101FD, managing to tweak it to the point of achieving a fluctuation between 0.0000 and 0.0001fL in an attempt last year. :0
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^ isn't fl related to contrast ratio? I thought black level was mll. I guess we need to wait for official measurements from D nice in a few months.
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foot-Lamberts (fL) is a way to express luminance, which is an expression of how dark (or bright) something is. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by bzal1122 View Post

^ isn't fl related to contrast ratio? I thought black level was mll. I guess we need to wait for official measurements from D nice in a few months.
fL is a measure of luminance. MLL stands for minimum luminance level.
post #755 of 1445
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

foot-Lamberts (fL) is a way to express luminance, which is an expression of how dark (or bright) something is. smile.gif
beat me to it
post #756 of 1445
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

D-Nice, a question relating to quality control: any word on Panasonic clamping down on buzzing, uniformity problems, etc.?
Don't know anything about this.
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Don't know anything about this.
D-Nice,do you know if there been any improvements on the gray scale and CMS on the ZT60 and VT60 lines as opposed to the VT50, and if so to what degree? Bill
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I don't have a VT50, but looking at calibration reports, I don't see how they could improve the color and grayscale. Perhaps they can make the grayscale more linear with the 10pt w/b, but that was 'fixable' by using the 2pt w/b first.
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rahzel,

The problem with the VT50's 10 pt grayscale is that there isn't enough overlap to correct the inbetween points. By the same token, the previous year's had too much overlap.
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That's what I meant by more linear... they need to make it more linear between points. smile.gif
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Quick 3D glasses question- apparently the 2013 models will come with two pair of 3D glasses. Will these be the TY-ER3D4MU from 2012?
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What site are these on? Not in URL format, so we can see it.
post #766 of 1445
Not really a review if i found the right site. Google - Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 (TCP60ZT60) Review
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I see nothing that suggests that the 'reviewer' has seen the set in person. It's all based on specs, not observation.
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If you want, the Delete Post button is in the message body near the red flag. Look for the red X

They don't allow some sites linked for the sponsors sake.
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Sounds like there is an additional reason to not allow that site to be linked (fake reviews).
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If that link you're trying to post is plasma tv buying guide by any chance, it's blocked because it's a sham site that is really an advertising site disguising itself as an impartial review and information site. The info they post is often wrong, fake, or plucked from other sites.
post #771 of 1445
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

That's what I meant by more linear... they need to make it more linear between points. smile.gif

"Need" is a strong word. I'm pretty happy with the greyscale on my VT50.

I hope they spent whatever engineering time on other things.
post #772 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

If that link you're trying to post is plasma tv buying guide by any chance, it's blocked because it's a sham site that is really an advertising site disguising itself as an impartial review and information site. The info they post is often wrong, fake, or plucked from other sites.
That's fine but folks should have a chance to decide that for themselves. I did not know about the AVSForum objections to some sites. For anyone interested just do a Google search for review of the full model number - you'll have to judge the review for yourself.
post #773 of 1445
Shame on you for trying to drive more ad traffic to the site even after it was called out by claiming people should "make up their own minds".

Ignore the stunt folks, it only encourages more.
post #774 of 1445
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

That's fine but folks should have a chance to decide that for themselves. I did not know about the AVSForum objections to some sites. For anyone interested just do a Google search for review of the full model number - you'll have to judge the review for yourself.

So is it indeed Plasma TV Buying Guide?? If so, it's a scam site not a review site and is full of disinformation, and AVS is right to block it. One of their more famous "reviews" proclaimed a 40" Samsung LCD TV as the best TV on the market a few years ago. Clicking on reference links took you to one of their group of shady east coast online retailers that have different names, but are owned by the same company.

If you want to believe that they've somehow gotten their hands on and reviewed some 2013 Panasonics that have not even been built or released to the usual legitimate review websites yet then be our guest. There's no way they tested any 2013 Panasonic yet.
post #775 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

So is it indeed Plasma TV Buying Guide?? If so, it's a scam site not a review site and is full of disinformation, and AVS is right to block it. One of their more famous "reviews" proclaimed a 40" Samsung LCD TV as the best TV on the market a few years ago. Clicking on reference links took you to one of their group of shady east coast online retailers that have different names, but are owned by the same company.

If you want to believe that they've somehow gotten their hands on and reviewed some 2013 Panasonics that have not even been built or released to the usual legitimate review websites yet then be our guest. There's no way they tested any 2013 Panasonic yet.

Perhaps it's a scam site, but surprisingly, my settings for my ST30 in Custom mode is pretty close to what they recommended, for whatever it's worth! Perhaps it's not all bad?
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Originally Posted by feadin View Post

Perhaps it's a scam site, but surprisingly, my settings for my ST30 in Custom mode is pretty close to what they recommended, for whatever it's worth! Perhaps it's not all bad?

Well then you gotta ask yourself - "what website or review did they copy those settings from?". They sure didn't come up with them themselves. Just because some of the information they've copied happened to be legit, doesn't mean the website is legit. Spend some time poking around there - you'll see what i mean. I don't bother even looking at their site anymore.
post #777 of 1445
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Well then you gotta ask yourself - "what website or review did they copy those settings from?". They sure didn't come up with them themselves. Just because some of the information they've copied happened to be legit, doesn't mean the website is legit. Spend some time poking around there - you'll see what i mean. I don't bother even looking at their site anymore.

Makes sense. Thanks for this info.
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Quick 3D glasses question- apparently the 2013 models will come with two pair of 3D glasses. Will these be the TY-ER3D4MU from 2012?

Anyone?
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Bueller......?
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

"Need" is a strong word. I'm pretty happy with the greyscale on my VT50.

I hope they spent whatever engineering time on other things.
"Need" is indeed a strong word... they don't need to 'fix' it at all. You can get a very good grayscale calibration using the 2pt + 10pt method; but it would avoid having to have to do this. Shouldn't take much effort from the engineers to fix it for the new models, but then again, it's not a big deal.

Plus that post was kind of taken out of context. If you read my post prior to that, I was saying that there's not much that can be improved on as far as color. IF there is anything to 'fix', it's to make the grayscale more linear between points. I never meant to come off as if I were saying that it NEEDS to be addressed.
Edited by rahzel - 1/31/13 at 12:32am
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