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post #931 of 1446
2/14/13 at 8:45pm
Value Electronics, and the $3400 is for the 60".
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post #932 of 1446
2/14/13 at 8:48pm
Can someone please tell me who in the hell is VE?????
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post #933 of 1446
2/14/13 at 8:50pm
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Value Electronics, and the $3400 is for the 60".
all ok thanks but I need the 65" do they got the price for that?
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post #934 of 1446
2/14/13 at 8:54pm
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Will the GT50 and the ST60 have similar PQ? Does the ST60 have an improved panel over that of the GT50? I ask as I just bought a 60ST50 that I'm picking up on Sunday. If both panels are similar in design then I'll stay with the GT50. If the ST60 has the possibility of being a better display then maybe I'll cancel the order and wait. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated smile.gif!

Bill

The scaling and deinterlacing might be better in the ST60 though (if it matters to you).
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post #935 of 1446
2/14/13 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by gray23black View Post

all ok thanks but I need the 65" do they got the price for that?
$3950

C'mon, folks (not addressed to anyone in particular), proper communication can save us all headaches. wink.gif
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post #936 of 1446
2/14/13 at 9:43pm
That 65" sure is cheap.
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post #937 of 1446
2/15/13 at 12:32am
My previous post on pricing escaped you? Here goes again:
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Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 65" Class VIERA ZT60 "Studio Master Panel" Series Full HD Plasma 3D HDTV
Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

This new "Studio Master Panel" features a newly developed panel driving method and panel structure with direct glass layer. The front glass is directly attached to the Plasma panel itself by Panasonic’s exclusive methods. Vast improvement in maintaining black levels in high ambient light and completely eliminating double images are achieved by eliminating the air gap layer between the front glass and plasma panel.An aggressive ambient light filter helps maintain blacks throughout the range of ambient room light conditions
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Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 60" Class VIERA ZT60 "Studio Master Panel" Series Full HD Plasma 3D HDTV
Panasonic TC-P60ZT60

This new "Studio Master Panel" features a newly developed panel driving method and panel structure with direct glass layer. The front glass is directly attached to the Plasma panel itself by Panasonic’s exclusive methods. Vast improvement in maintaining black levels in high ambient light and completely eliminating double images are achieved by eliminating the air gap layer between the front glass and plasma panel.An aggressive ambient light filter helps maintain blacks throughout the range of ambient room light conditions
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Price: $3,325

From the Web
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post #938 of 1446
2/15/13 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by besthdef View Post

My previous post on pricing escaped you? Here goes again:
From the Web
You can pre-order

Where do you get $3699 for the 65". It's $39xx on VE now.
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post #939 of 1446
2/15/13 at 5:28am
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Well those are the ones who probably never liked panasonic or any other company anyway. And feel the need to be the only ones who own something better than everyone else. That's dumb. And that's not me. I'm a fan of whoever makes the best technology they can. If vizio surpassed the kuro i would buy it. Yes.

But the kuro in the comparisons man.......i'm being as honest as i can when i tell you a kuro doesn't look like that. It's too gray and washed out. Did you look at 2:24 in the video? The VT50 has better blacks and a deeper color than the kuro. The problem with that is.......the VT50 doesn't have, as tested and seen and reviewed, better blacks and deeper colors that the kuro. Even if it did, the difference wouldn't be that dramatic to the point where the kuro, with a measured MLL of 0.001, would be washed out.

This is about what's right and wrong. I don't know about anybody else.

Apparently.... its the fact that there was a fairly bright showroom light RIGHT above the Kuro. Apparently the one thing Panasonic HAS done in the last 5 years is make a better AR filter (seems plausible, especially as the filter on the ZT is the new "louvre" filter which is supposedly excellent at filtering light coming from above) than the one on the Kuro. NOT stating this as fact, but in reading David's comments on other threads he has stated that the photo's really seem to show it more-so than it looked in person. He did state that in person they looked very very similar with the lights down and that the ZT had a SLIGHT edge.
Edited by pred1973 - 2/15/13 at 5:33am
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post #940 of 1446
2/15/13 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by besthdef View Post

My previous post on pricing escaped you? Here goes again:
From the Web
You can pre-order

And you still have yet to name your source. "from the Web" is pretty vague.
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post #941 of 1446
2/15/13 at 8:32am
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And you still have yet to name your source. "from the Web" is pretty vague.
He has 6 posts....get it??
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post #942 of 1446
2/15/13 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

And you still have yet to name your source. "from the Web" is pretty vague.


He must have gotten those super-low prices from the scam websites that pop up every year before the TVs are released for sale. Those sites feed on tightwads that are so insistent on getting the lowest possible prices, that they blindly pre-order the TV at prices that are too good to be true and wire-transfer the money which ends up in the pockets of a Nigerian scammer.

Another new member recently posted here on AVS posted prices from buy tv today dot com that are several hundred dollars lower than VE's pre-order price, but of course that site only accept wire transfers, no credit cards and is obviously a scam site. I reported his post and he was banned and the posts were deleted. There are other such scam sites out there that are similar.

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Edited by RandyWalters - 2/15/13 at 10:48am
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post #943 of 1446
2/15/13 at 8:41am
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And you still have yet to name your source. "from the Web" is pretty vague.

Punching in the model numbers and prices into google brings up this page:

http://buytvtoday.com/Panasonic/PanasonicConsumer.aspx

I know nothing about these people.

Edit: This type of thing does not hearten me (as opposed to Amazon and several other online retailers):

"At BuyTVToday.com, we are committed to making sure that you enjoy your purchase. If you are not completely satisfied with your investment please contact us right away and we will make sure to provide a solution that will guarantee your satisfaction." They are World Wide Electronics, whom I have never heard of.

Here is a bit more on their policies:

http://buytvtoday.com/ReturnPolicy.aspx
Edited by PeterG - 2/15/13 at 8:47am
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post #944 of 1446
2/15/13 at 9:29am
heh, a slight variation on buy tv dot com wink.gif
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post #945 of 1446
2/15/13 at 9:49am
Oh everyone puts pre-orders up, you just have to look, like below our name..........still a ways away though from release frown.gif
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Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 2/15/13 at 10:02am
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post #946 of 1446
2/15/13 at 9:57am
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that site only accept wire transfers, no credit cards and is obviously a scam site. There are other such scam sites out there that are similar.
Lets face it, anyone who can not take a credit card, paypal, or any other type of payment like this, at the very least can not pass a credit check. These types of payment system watch who they allow to sign up. Not just anyone can except a credit card. There are reason's for everything on this planet wink.gif
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post #947 of 1446
2/15/13 at 10:41am
If Cleveland Plasma is offering $3,375 for the 60", then how much is MSRP and approx where will BBY squeeze in?
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post #948 of 1446
2/15/13 at 1:50pm
I HATE that "one sheet of glas" design of Pansonic.

VT20 series and ZT1 were different.. They were a new age Plasmas from Panasonic (like Pioneer in that time), and then VT30 and VT50 series.... same as all old Plasmas. The front filter was placed in front of the Plasma Screen. Sideaffects: looking from the side you can see multiple Images - best example: watching text on a black Screen.

VT50 series have a worst front filter of all Plasmas. Yes, nice blacks, but from a side or under or above you see only 30% of the picture. Even worst then LCDs! VT50 is the worst plasma screen Pansonic ever made!

ZT60 as anonunced, promise to change that. Lets hope!

Joshy
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post #949 of 1446
2/15/13 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by TV-Junky View Post

VT50 is the worst plasma screen Pansonic ever made!

Ok, thanks.
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post #950 of 1446
2/15/13 at 2:04pm
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Ok, thanks.

"I HATE that "one sheet of glas" design of Pansonic."

Sorry...
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post #951 of 1446
2/15/13 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by TV-Junky View Post

"I HATE that "one sheet of glas" design of Pansonic."

Sorry...

Here's an idea....
Don't buy it!
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post #952 of 1446
2/15/13 at 2:57pm
@yamvmax

Please, don't understand me wrong. I like Plasma! I would never buy an LCD.
But... Pioneer did a pioneer work in the right time and changed the Plasmas in a good way.

Don't support things that don't deserve to be supported!!!

Thanks for understanding!

Joshy
Edited by TV-Junky - 2/15/13 at 3:09pm
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post #953 of 1446
2/15/13 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by TV-Junky View Post

"I HATE that "one sheet of glas" design of Pansonic."

Sorry...

You realize the ZT60 is one sheet, right?
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post #954 of 1446
2/15/13 at 4:19pm
@jconjasen

partualy or eliminatded...

lets see!
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post #955 of 1446
2/15/13 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

And you still have yet to name your source. "from the Web" is pretty vague.

I left out the source on purpose. I am not here to steer business to anyone. That post was as an example and only to provide a ballpark figure of some prices published on the web.

As you have read above, CP plasmas, a reputable dealer, is well within the ballpark. and the ZT is not a $5000 sale price as some were worrying about. Insurance options (if taken) and taxes may well push it closer to $5000.

Hope this helps.
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post #956 of 1446
2/15/13 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by TV-Junky View Post

@yamvmax

Please, don't understand me wrong. I like Plasma! I would never buy an LCD.
But... Pioneer did a pioneer work in the right time and changed the Plasmas in a good way.

Don't support things that don't deserve to be supported!!!

Thanks for understanding!

Joshy

I'm not going to agree that the vt50 is the worst screen Panny has ever made, but I get where you're coming from. I get nervous when I hear "aggressive AR filter". It'll always make me wonder how much better the PQ would be without it. I've GOT an aggressive AR filter already: they're called window shades. I want the best uncompromised PQ for my room, not for the store.
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post #957 of 1446
2/15/13 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by TV-Junky View Post

Pioneer did a pioneer work in the right time and changed the Plasmas in a good way.
They may have, but look where it got them. Making a unit they where loosing money on. In the end this may be the reason no one has duplicated the Pioneer. Just not cost effective when you have to sell a 60" for $8000 to profit. Kinda like the OLED, a 55" at $10,000. rolleyes.gif Come on, not worth bringing to market.
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post #958 of 1446
2/16/13 at 1:06am
Lets face up to facts.

The VT50 looked (blacker,more saturated and accurate.)

Than the Kuro. :rofl:

Deep down we all know deep down something was/is horribly wrong.

End of.
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post #959 of 1446
2/16/13 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

Lets face up to facts.

The VT50 looked (blacker,more saturated and accurate.)

Than the Kuro. :rofl:

Deep down we all know deep down something was/is horribly wrong.

End of.

While I agree the kuro looked off....in person the zt looked fabulous. I honestly believe the kuru is ATLEAST matched or better this year with the zt....the sammy 8500 could match it also.
Edited by yamvmax - 2/16/13 at 6:23am
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post #960 of 1446
2/16/13 at 7:44am
I think we have gone in a circle or two here... Really am looking forward to some hands on points of view, something where the person making the review actually has the remote in their hand. Really, until then I think we have pretty much covered what may or may not be biggrin.gif

And just because this might not be said enough, to those whose point of view I may not agree with, I still appreciate the time, energy and vigor we all spend "discussing" our interest in displays new and old.
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