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post #961 of 1446
Just preorder my tcp65zt60 from VE good people can't wait, but the price is $3,949 no matter what happen they said its all good I will get it for that price. and free shipping no taxes bc I'm in Chicago .can't beat that
post #962 of 1446
Do you have to cough up the nearly 4 grand now?
As I've said before on other threads, you guys must have a LOT better jobs than I do...wink.gif
post #963 of 1446
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I left out the source on purpose. I am not here to steer business to anyone. That post was as an example and only to provide a ballpark figure of some prices published on the web.

But that site's prices aren't legitimate so they don't count. The prices they advertise are intentionally lower than any reputable retailer's price in order to trick people into "buying" the TV from them so they can steal their money, instead of buying from an actual retailer who will have higher (but legitimate) prices. You can use a scam site as a pricing reference, that's all.
post #964 of 1446
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Just preorder my tcp65zt60 from VE good people can't wait, but the price is $3,949 no matter what happen they said its all good I will get it for that price. and free shipping no taxes bc I'm in Chicago .can't beat that

Why did you do that? Why are so sold on the Panny? What if the Samsung is a home run? Can you cancel?
post #965 of 1446
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Why did you do that? Why are so sold on the Panny? What if the Samsung is a home run? Can you cancel?

Do you honestly believe there is a chance for Samsung in 2013? Really? If the 2013 flagship Sammy beats the VT60, then it would be the miracle upset of a lifetime. Maybe in another few years, but no so quickly. Yeah, I could be wrong and that would be great for us all I suppose. But it isn't realistic.
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Do you honestly believe there is a chance for Samsung in 2013? Really? If the 2013 flagship Sammy beats the VT60, then it would be the miracle upset of a lifetime. Maybe in another few years, but no so quickly. Yeah, I could be wrong and that would be great for us all I suppose. But it isn't realistic.

It sure is possible. I saw both of them at ces....they were not side by side...but from what I saw...the Sammy might be as good. Don't count out Sammy this year.
post #967 of 1446
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

It sure is possible. I saw both of them at ces....they were not side by side...but from what I saw...the Sammy might be as good. Don't count out Sammy this year.

Not sure why, but the 64F8500 just doesn't seem to be getting the same amount of press as the 65ZT60. I would not even guess at why that is, just stating that it seems to be the case. If the marketing PR is to be believed (it usually isn't) it looks like the ZT60 might have better blacks, and the F8500 might be brighter. It will be interesting to see where the real contrast ratio ends up between the two. It could very well end up being room dependent with dim rooms making the ZT's a better choice for ultimate black level and a brighter room making the added brightness of the F8500 a better choice.
post #968 of 1446
Does anyone know if the 85 inchers will be coming down in price? LCD is now pretty much eating their lunch in professional display department as it make less sense pay 17K for a board room display when you can get a brighter LCD for under 5K. I'm sure there are few fits for plasma to demand a price premium but they must be getting down to a very few situations. Will they just stop making them or has the process matured enough that they could try to make money on higher volumes?
post #969 of 1446
Guys, I want to buy a 60-inch ZT60 from the United States and ship it over to Dubai. How do I go about this? Can anyone advise me in terms of customs/taxes or any other charges I should be aware of?
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Guys, I want to buy a 60-inch ZT60 from the United States and ship it over to Dubai. How do I go about this? Can anyone advise me in terms of customs/taxes or any other charges I should be aware of?

Gotta believe there's an electronics store in Dubai which carries Panny. No?
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Originally Posted by Mohamed1983 View Post

Guys, I want to buy a 60-inch ZT60 from the United States and ship it over to Dubai. How do I go about this? Can anyone advise me in terms of customs/taxes or any other charges I should be aware of?

Have you found a US dealer willing or able to ship a TV to the middle east? Usually no one sells outside of their own country due to regional feature differences, voltage differences, tuner incompatibility, menu differences, and the fact that the warranty is only good in the country the TV is sold in.

http://www.panasonic.ae/EN/Pages/ProductModel.aspx?Filter1Field=Consumer_Model_Category&Filter1Value=Plasma%20TV&ID1=?Frogvi1Frvow=Clmhfnvi_Sfy_Czgvtlib@Frogvi1Vzofv=Vrviz%20TV
post #972 of 1446
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Why did you do that? Why are so sold on the Panny? What if the Samsung is a home run? Can you cancel?

I am sure the panny is more energy efficient to run. Last years Samsung's plasma costs to run was about 150% of the panny. So even on the offhand chance that all other things are equal between them, the Panny is the better deal.
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I am sure the panny is more energy efficient to run. Last years Samsung's plasma costs to run was about 150% of the panny. So even on the offhand chance that all other things are equal between them, the Panny is the better deal.

I doubt many of us plasma users think much about energy efficiency. In the grand scheme of things, an extra $75 a year when you have $20-30K in your home theater seems like pinching pennys while burning hundred dollar bills.
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Do you have to cough up the nearly 4 grand now?
As I've said before on other threads, you guys must have a LOT better jobs than I do...wink.gif
no you don't they will call u when it's ready if u don't want it u don't have to buy it just let them know! Good friendly people but I have 3 jobs it's hard but one job is just for this tv I been waiting along time for this so I picked up one more job so in may I will let one go! Hard work pays off! Work hard play hard !!!!
post #975 of 1446
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Why did you do that? Why are so sold on the Panny? What if the Samsung is a home run? Can you cancel?
no money down but they said I will get one in may if I want it when it come out but if I didn't just let them know so they just going to hold it from me and make sure I can get one on day one
post #976 of 1446
I like panasonic better plus I'm a apple head so Sammy is not in the pic for me!
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I like panasonic better plus I'm a apple head so Sammy is not in the pic for me!

I maintain an Apple-free household and love my Sammy Galaxy phone and tab, but Panny makes a better plasma. Brand loyalty is over-rated. Heck, I'd have an LG in a heartbeat is they had a panel that wiped the floor with Panny.
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I like panasonic better plus I'm a apple head so Sammy is not in the pic for me!

Not sure I understand the logic of that, personally I go with the best product regardless of who makes it. But I'm sure Apple appreciates your loyalty rolleyes.gif
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Not sure I understand the logic of that, personally I go with the best product regardless of who makes it. But I'm sure Apple appreciates your loyalty rolleyes.gif
things work better with apple that's one reason I like apple and their hardware is way better than Samsung phone and computer wise! panasonic make better plasma hands down ask the professionals and this year is know different! Beyond reference!!!!! Sammy is thinking oled and 4k I can't afford that!
post #980 of 1446
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Originally Posted by gray23black View Post

things work better with apple that's one reason I like apple and their hardware is way better than Samsung phone and computer wise! panasonic make better plasma hands down ask the professionals and this year is know different! Beyond reference!!!!! Sammy is thinking oled and 4k I can't afford that!

Totally off topic, but you do know that Apple sources components from Samsung right (or at least they have in the past)? Apple doesn't make hardware, they buy parts from a number of companies and then pay for another company to assemble them. They own patents and logo's. I do not, and have never owned either Apple or Samsung phones or computers, but I have friends who have the latest greatest phones from both companies, and the Galaxy S3 is not inferior in anyway to the Iphone 5. When my 2 friends who have those phones went head to head trying to prove to the other that their phone was better the end result was that they were equally awesome, and that each had a feature or two that the other wished their phone had.

PS. Beyond the Reference is a marketing catch-line. The statement is nonsensical, you can't be beyond reference, you become the new reference. This is not established by a marketing catch-line, it is established through direct comparison resulting in empirical data which is then compared to then existing reference which has yet to happen in this instance. I appreciate your enthusiasm, and I hope the end result lives up to the hype too, I'm just a little more pragmatic I guess. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

Totally off topic, but you do know that Apple sources components from Samsung right (or at least they have in the past)? Apple doesn't make hardware, they buy parts from a number of companies and then pay for another company to assemble them. They own patents and logo's. I do not, and have never owned either Apple or Samsung phones or computers, but I have friends who have the latest greatest phones from both companies, and the Galaxy S3 is not inferior in anyway to the Iphone 5. When my 2 friends who have those phones went head to head trying to prove to the other that their phone was better the end result was that they were equally awesome, and that each had a feature or two that the other wished their phone had.

PS. Beyond the Reference is a marketing catch-line. The statement is nonsensical, you can't be beyond reference, you become the new reference. This is not established by a marketing catch-line, it is established through direct comparison resulting in empirical data which is then compared to then existing reference which has yet to happen in this instance. I appreciate your enthusiasm, and I hope the end result lives up to the hype too, I'm just a little more pragmatic I guess. smile.gif
I understand two great company!!but its about what work best for me I got apple everything so panasonic and pioneer work better for me in my HT! P.s apple hardware I'm talking about the look and feel when u pick up a apple product and the easy of uses and (in my Steve job voice)it just works! No plastic phones for me just metal
post #982 of 1446
OK..so apple is great..and or sucks...can we move on please?
post #983 of 1446
sorry for veering off-topic.... moving along smile.gif
post #984 of 1446
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In the grand scheme of things,

For Panasonic plasmas...Greater energy efficiency = less waste heat generated and less strain on heat and vent systems and on other electronics and on the plasma panel itself.
Edited by besthdef - 2/17/13 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by besthdef View Post

I am sure the panny is more energy efficient to run. Last years Samsung's plasma costs to run was about 150% of the panny. .

Really!!

Why is there such a huge difference??
post #986 of 1446
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

It sure is possible. I saw both of them at ces....they were not side by side...but from what I saw...the Sammy might be as good. Don't count out Sammy this year.
The Samsung's did look good, we will see in a few months.......
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Originally Posted by gray23black View Post

Hard work pays off! Work hard play hard !!!!
Yes, that is a great attitude. Our new youth out there does not seem to think the same way. We seem to be headed to a place where everyone feels they should be provided for frown.gif

Keep in mind, seems like every year I have to mention this, the release date is not a rock solid date. There is a chance they could come out early, there is a chance they can come out late. Happens every year. Hope out allocation come in first, that's what counts biggrin.gif
Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 2/17/13 at 11:38am
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post #987 of 1446
Well, you have to give Panasonic insider credit for being gut level honest. He posted that he saw a ZT in a dark room and felt that the blacks were a shade lighter than his 111FD. BUT he also went on to say that he thought the ZT surpassed his Kuro in many other areas. What gives him utmost credibility imo is that he went on to write that what he thinks he saw doesn't matter....the proof will be in the numbers.....or words to that effect.
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Well, you have to give Panasonic insider credit for being gut level honest. He posted that he saw a ZT in a dark room and felt that the blacks were a shade lighter than his 111FD. BUT he also went on to say that he thought the ZT surpassed his Kuro in many other areas. What gives him utmost credibility imo is that he went on to write that what he thinks he saw doesn't matter....the proof will be in the numbers.....or words to that effect.

Actually he said it was "on par" with his 111FD but MAYBE a shade lighter. Accurately quoting people is important wink.gif
post #989 of 1446
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Do you honestly believe there is a chance for Samsung in 2013? Really?

Yes.
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

It sure is possible.

Yep.
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

Not sure why, but the 64F8500 just doesn't seem to be getting the same amount of press as the 65ZT60.

Read better sources.
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Originally Posted by jrock99 View Post

Does anyone know if the 85 inchers will be coming down in price? LCD is now pretty much eating their lunch in professional display department as it make less sense pay 17K for a board room display when you can get a brighter LCD for under 5K.

Buy the LCD, it's much better for a board room anyway.
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

I maintain an Apple-free household.

Ah, so you're just irrational, got it.
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

Totally off topic, but you do know that Apple sources components from Samsung right (or at least they have in the past)? Apple doesn't make hardware, they buy parts from a number of companies and then pay for another company to assemble them.

Please, stop. That kind of statement is nonsense. By this logic, virtually no company makes hardware as very few consumer electronics own assembly anymore. Incidentally, Apple currently buys only one part from Samsung (the processors for their mobile devices) and that will end by 2014.
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

Did you just pull that 150% out of your ass or do have any facts to back it up?

That sounds wrong to me. And, in fact, it is wrong! Read this review: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60e8000/4505-6482_7-35118281-2.html and then compared it to the Panasonic reviews.. The two use similar amounts of power.
post #990 of 1446
Rogo...

I enjoy reading your posts, but you have selected a very small piece of a larger post I made in response to a blanket statement made about Apple making vastly superior products to Samsung and taken it out of context. Processor's are a key part of their product, and is a valid response to someone claiming superiority of one over another or being "way better". I also mentioned "or have in the past" which you conveniently left out. Not trying to get into a pissing contest, like I said, I have enjoyed your posts here, but cherry picking half a statement and then taking it out of the context in which it was intended is something I will address.

As for the amount of press for the ZT60's vs the F8500, I see a lot more articles on one over the other. If there are better sources on the F8500 I would honestly appreciate being pointed in the right direction as I am just not seeing the same level of coverage as I do for the ZT's. I am all for being better informed.
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