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post #1381 of 1838
I've been thinking for years to upgrade my Denon to a Pioneer AVR. Year after year I've been delayed because:
1.. there is no on screen display for volume, etc over HDMI and
2. because units aren't easily firmware updated via the ethernet port.

Have either of these issues been fixed in this generation? Thanks

And now that there are 2 HDMI outputs - are they simply mirrors of the same source or can each carry a discrete source (like a matrix switcher)?
post #1382 of 1838
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ckelly33 View Post

I've been thinking for years to upgrade my Denon to a Pioneer AVR. Year after year I've been delayed because:
1.. there is no on screen display for volume, etc over HDMI and
2. because units aren't easily firmware updated via the ethernet port.

Have either of these issues been fixed in this generation? Thanks

And now that there are 2 HDMI outputs - are they simply mirrors of the same source or can each carry a discrete source (like a matrix switcher)?

1. yes, there is true over HDMI OSD (volume, surround format, source, and audio/video parameter settings)
2. yes, ethernet + USB flash drive
3. HDMI out 1 & 2 are mirrors but both can be used simultaneously or one at a time. no current gen receiver from any company has a true matrix switcher per se. however, the 68 & 67 do have a separate HDMI 3 output for a receiver in another zone that can be switched independently from the main zone outputs. I have tried this & it does work smile.gif the Denon 4520 also has this feature

which Denon do you have & which flavor of Audyssey is in it?
post #1383 of 1838
I have run the Full Auto MCACC on my SC-67 and all 7 channels plus my sub have been turned down well below zero. Is this an indication of something or is that perfectly normal behaviour??
post #1384 of 1838
I have been a Pioneer Fan since, I can remember first reading about them in Stereo Review (back in the day).
They "Pioneered" (lol) room calibration from the get go in their TOP END receivers, (before it began to trickle down), long before any competitor ever thought about it. Their system is also engineered by a company that has done it professionally for decades.
In any case, I have been using the new SC68, for almost a year now. And working in the industry, as a high end installer, I CANNOT find a better processor for the money out there, and I have a JBL Synthesis system in my showroom.
To answer your question... yes, the new lineup offers OSD of all adjustments/parameters over HDMI, it has a second "switcheable/mirrored" HDMI monitor output, as well as a ZONE4 isolated and configurable HDMI output. And updates can be made via internet (Ethernet/wireless adaptor)
This receiver also has the best sounding amp section I have heard, in my over 10yrs of industry experience. Yet as CLEAN, FULL, AND SMOOTH, as they sound, I am sure the extensive processing the preamp section offers , has a LOT to do with that. And making individual channel level adjustments is as simple as pressing the "CH LEVEL" button on the remote. wink.gif

The question about "auto level adjustments below ZERO"... Its normal behavior based on the reference level that its microphone picks up.
If your speakers need more power to play louder (less efficient) this level will increase, or if the room its in is larger or "dead" in sound reverberation.
The levels in my system are also well below zero. And it plays more than LOUD enough, and BALANCED across all channels. Though I personally prefer to kick up my rear levels, for more "effect" from ambient sound tracks.
Edited by ELITES13 - 4/20/13 at 2:15pm
post #1385 of 1838
I'm super impressed with the clarity of that receiver, but it sounds like something is holding it back or something. That could be a result of the MCACC being on I guess. What's driving me nuts though is I can get a good sound out of that thing in good old fashioned regular stereo, very odd.....
post #1386 of 1838
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

1. yes, there is true over HDMI OSD (volume, surround format, source, and audio/video parameter settings)
2. yes, ethernet + USB flash drive
3. HDMI out 1 & 2 are mirrors but both can be used simultaneously or one at a time. no current gen receiver from any company has a true matrix switcher per se. however, the 68 & 67 do have a separate HDMI 3 output for a receiver in another zone that can be switched independently from the main zone outputs. I have tried this & it does work smile.gif the Denon 4520 also has this feature

which Denon do you have & which flavor of Audyssey is in it?

Thanks for the very helpful info. I might just upgrade now that those 1st two items have been improved.

As far as your point in #3 - I guess there is no way to go cheap and use an HDMI switcher when connecting to HDMI output 3? If not, I've already found a splitter/swticher workaround to share components in the one room I needed to. Elinimating inline equipment is always nice though!

I have the Denon 4310. I've always upgraded often. This is the longest I've had a receiver in 10 years!
post #1387 of 1838
Hello all,

I am at a total lost and maybe you all can help. I have tried different troubleshooting steps and nothing seems to work. I tried multiple searches on the net of the problem and nothing seems to really address my issues exactly.

I have the SC-68. I get this crackling/popping/static noise when watching certain movies on cable TV. It appears to only occur when watching HD programs with Dolby Digital audio. It is really evident when watching Action flicks or any movies that produce loud sounds or special effects. It is really noticeable when the volume is up load. I experienced it last Wednesday when watching The Thing on Cinemax. I even recorded the movie and can play back the same crackling noise.

I thought it may be the speakers, but it does not occur when watching Blu-ray movies. I tried multiple DTS titles with the volume loud and I can't reproduce the problem. It appears to be isolated to cable TV.

Most of my equipment is fairly new.

Anyone experience this? Is the SC68 not decoding the digital set top box audio track properly?

SC-68
Time Warner Cable
Motorola DCX3510-M HD DVR
GoldenEar Triton Two
All HDMI connections

Thanks for your help
post #1388 of 1838
Thankfully - I have found this thread! I am at a loss at to what to do:
I would like to play Hirez music from my laptop (win7) vis USB to the USB DAC input on the back of my SC-68.
Right of the bat I am having this issue:
When I turn the "Input Selector" dial there is no USB DAC choice! I haven't actually installed the driver yet or plugged in the the USB cable, so I am
wondering if that is why no USB DAC light goes on.
Any assistance would really be appreciated.
post #1389 of 1838
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PureUncut View Post

Time Warner Cable...Motorola DCX3510-M HD DVR...All HDMI connections

Thanks for your help

It's almost surely your cable box. I very occasionally will hear several very minor pops on a particular show on the DVR but they aren't loud or distracting and are very rare. When they occurred, they were not specific to any particular channel or show.

I also have a Motorola DCX3400 HD-DVR from Comcast. This also rarely occurred with a Motorola DCT3416 box which had a hard drive failure. I think it's an issue with the box sending Dolby Digital bitstreamed data, the AVR is doing the decoding. Could be a buffer, data rate problem between the Moto & the Pio...who knows. In my case, it is not loud or annoying & only happens on very rarely.

I use optical digital, not HDMI, still connected to an SC-09TX not my SC-68, which I use for players/internet media.

If you're regularly getting pretty loud pops, I suggest first trying optical audio to see if that helps. If still having the problem, ask Time Warner for a new cable box first. There is nothing I know of in the receiver to try other than 2 ch analog connections eek.gif
post #1390 of 1838
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Spirit84 View Post

Thankfully - I have found this thread! I am at a loss at to what to do:
I would like to play Hirez music from my laptop (win7) vis USB to the USB DAC input on the back of my SC-68.
Right of the bat I am having this issue:
When I turn the "Input Selector" dial there is no USB DAC choice! I haven't actually installed the driver yet or plugged in the the USB cable, so I am
wondering if that is why no USB DAC light goes on.
Any assistance would really be appreciated.

hmm

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "USB DAC light goes on" . There is the main display where you see the source in big, bold led's and a very small indicator, barely visible, above the main display, that reads BD, CD, USB, etc. if you're saying you don't get a big display of USB-DAC in the main window, easily read 5 ft away....

you should see USB-DAC on the display in between the ipod/USB & TV inputs if you use the front panel selector knob on the left side.

double-check to see if maybe you overlooked it. try accessing it directly by the remote button, also.

the driver isn't needed before being able to see the input come up on the display. first, it's a hardware physical input, just like all the rest and you should be able to select it w/o having anything connected or the driver. the driver is for enabling async transfer functionality & playback of hi-rez files, > 48 Khz, on your Windows PC, not the receiver.

if you are trying to play 96 Khz + files, they will only play with the driver for Windows. Mac's don't need the driver. but that shouldn't prevent you from playing an mp3 or ripped CD over the port OR being able to select it in the 1st place.

call Pioneer to report it and see what they say; you might have a hardware problem.

if you just got it, depending on what Pioneer says, you might want to return to the dealer & swap for a new one...could be a defect.
Edited by ss9001 - 4/22/13 at 10:01am
post #1391 of 1838
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

It's almost surely your cable box. I very occasionally will hear several very minor pops on a particular show on the DVR but they aren't loud or distracting and are very rare. When they occurred, they were not specific to any particular channel or show.

I also have a Motorola DCX3400 HD-DVR from Comcast. This also rarely occurred with a Motorola DCT3416 box which had a hard drive failure. I think it's an issue with the box sending Dolby Digital bitstreamed data, the AVR is doing the decoding. Could be a buffer, data rate problem between the Moto & the Pio...who knows. In my case, it is not loud or annoying & only happens on very rarely.

I use optical digital, not HDMI, still connected to an SC-09TX not my SC-68, which I use for players/internet media.

If you're regularly getting pretty loud pops, I suggest first trying optical audio to see if that helps. If still having the problem, ask Time Warner for a new cable box first. There is nothing I know of in the receiver to try other than 2 ch analog connections eek.gif

Hi ss,

I tried setting that, but did not have success or maybe I'm not sure if it actually worked.

I went into Motorola and set Audio to Dolby digital instead of hdmi. I then went into Input setup on sc68. I set audio input to optical 2. Optical is connected to input 2, I also tried input 1.

I just get a picture with no sound. So I went back into input setup on sc68, left optical on 2 and hdmi off. I can hear sounds but no picture.

How do I use hdmi for video and optical for sound?

Everything comes back on ( video/audio ) when I switch Motorola to hdmi in audio settings. I don't think optical is being used in that setting.

How do I get hdmi video and optical audio working at the same time, or is that not possible?

Thanks
post #1392 of 1838
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Originally Posted by PureUncut View Post

How do I use hdmi for video and optical for sound?

Everything comes back on ( video/audio ) when I switch Motorola to hdmi in audio settings. I don't think optical is being used in that setting.

How do I get hdmi video and optical audio working at the same time, or is that not possible?

Thanks

Hi PureUncut, on the remote use "Signal Sel" and set to Digital.
post #1393 of 1838
Thank you ss9001!
I actually figured out my issue. It appears that my installer "hid" the USB DAC input when he set up the receiver.
I went to the set up menu and restored it.
post #1394 of 1838
I have an airplay question. It works great from my iphone 5, ipad, and macbook pro. The issue is the cover artwork and song information will not display. I just get a black box with a note in it. I've tried google and searching these forums but have not found an answer. The software has been updated on the receiver. Any thoughts?
post #1395 of 1838
watching this thread with interest...
post #1396 of 1838
Hello everyone, I'm looking to replace my Yamaha v-863 reciever and I've set my sight on the Pioneer SC-67.

I'm confused about the HDMI output and capabilities. Does the 67 have 2 or 3 HDMI outputs?

I'm looking for the ability to display one source to two displays at the same time preferably both HDMI but 1HDMI and 1Component is ok as well. I'm also looking to be able to display a different source at the same time over HDMI to a 3rd display.

Can I accomplish this with the 67?
post #1397 of 1838
I have a question regarding the power levels between the 61 and the 68. I am in the market for a new receiver and am considering the SC-67. After reading through these forums and a lot of positive articles on the new D3 amps, I came across some test results between the 61 and 68 on HomeTheater.com that threw me a little. Seems that although the 61 is rated 15 watts less than the 68 it it still seems to hang in there and almost better the 68 when it comes to pushing 7 channels. Is this a trait of the amps efficiency or do they tend to fall off on the top end as they are pushed harder? Maybe I'm just looking into the specs too much, lol.


SC-61
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 127.2 watts
1% distortion at 150.3 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 109.0 watts
1% distortion at 127.7 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 99.4 watts
1% distortion at 110.3 watts



SC-68
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 144.5 watts
1% distortion at 191.6 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 92.3 watts
1% distortion at 138.8 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 90.0 watts
1% distortion at 113.8 watts
post #1398 of 1838
The primary advantage of the 67/68 AVRs is they can power nine channels where the 61 only supports seven..
post #1399 of 1838
Wel just pulled the trigger on a SC 67. Got one of the last two available at $700 below MSRP
post #1400 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by t3watts3 View Post

Hello everyone, I'm looking to replace my Yamaha v-863 reciever and I've set my sight on the Pioneer SC-67.

I'm confused about the HDMI output and capabilities. Does the 67 have 2 or 3 HDMI outputs?

I'm looking for the ability to display one source to two displays at the same time preferably both HDMI but 1HDMI and 1Component is ok as well. I'm also looking to be able to display a different source at the same time over HDMI to a 3rd display.

Can I accomplish this with the 67?

t3watts3,

Yes you can accomplish both 1) same source two different displays, use HDMI Out1 and Out2. 2) different sources to different dispays, use HDMI Out 1 and Zone4. 3) with options 1 and 2, you can display on three different displays with two different content.

Be mindful that Zone4 does not support all the HD sources, refer to manual.
post #1401 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by gizmofanv View Post

t3watts3,

Yes you can accomplish both 1) same source two different displays, use HDMI Out1 and Out2. 2) different sources to different dispays, use HDMI Out 1 and Zone4. 3) with options 1 and 2, you can display on three different displays with two different content.

Be mindful that Zone4 does not support all the HD sources, refer to manual.

Thank you! I just got confirmation that it shipped today and should be here next week. Sold my Yamaha v863 today as well.
post #1402 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
congratulations! welcome to Pioneer land smile.gif
post #1403 of 1838
I'm sure you've all heard this one before, but I need to hear it first hand. When I do a full MCACC setup the resulting EQ settings results in a massive volume drop. This means that at -20 you can barely hear dialog in any surround mode. I can switch to an untouched bank where nothing is being applied and still, while it is louder, it's still quite low. Is this the result of a setup error on my part or is this just the way these receivers are designed?
post #1404 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
1. what speakers? what's their rated dB efficiency?
2. how & where did you position the mic? where did you have it pointed? this is VERY important.
3. what's the channel levels (NOT the EQ levels but overall boost or cut for each speaker) for l/c/r? you can find this in the MCACC settings. IOW, are the channel dB levels in + territory or - territory?

post these & we can go from there.
post #1405 of 1838
Polk Rti A9, at least 90db efficiency
Mic on a tripod ear level in the main listening position
None of the channels are boosted, everything is at 0 or lower after cal

I recalibrated levels using a spl meter and it did improve, but not by much
post #1406 of 1838
Sorry, all the other speakers are 89 to 90 db efficient as well.
post #1407 of 1838
Thread Starter 
well, your speakers are fairly efficient if ~ 90+ dB.

by contrast, mine are magnepans @ about 85 dB and all 7 channels get boosted by MCACC. the heights are small martin logan motion 4 bookshelves and they actually get a - 4 db cut, IIRC.

if you aimed the mic directly up to the ceiling, not tilted, there was nothing blocking or in the way so they had a clear line of sight to each speaker, and the Pioneer didn't give any channel a boost, then what it's saying is: to achieve reference level volume no channel required any boost and some actually a cut. your volume seems to be in accordance with the calibration reference level and it is what it is.

there's nothing preventing you from manually giving the levels a boost, as long as you maintain the same relative dB difference between every channel.

what's interesting is that you say the channels aren't mostly at 0 dB but when you choose a un-calibrated preset, it sounds "louder". this may be due to a particular freq band that got boosted, say the bass or treble ends, so the midrange, dialog region, sounds weak by comparison.

if your speakers are close to your listening seat, then it may be compensating for the short distance.

it's all relative and overall volume will vary from room to room, speaker brand to brand, and unique to speaker distances.

I have found, with my magnepans, my typical volume is -10 to -4 dB on the volume dial but I know there are owners that listen in the -25 to -20 area. it just depends.

so you might want to take a look at the EQ settings, see if mid bass, upper bass & treble levels are boosted over that for 500 K, 1K and even 2 K and judiciously adjust to taste.

you might also want to look at the orientation of the center channel speaker, make sure its not firing over your head or aimed more toward your feet smile.gif it should ideally be aimed where your head will be and not straight out into the room or angled too far down.

to me, it kind of reads that its the dialog mostly not necessarily overall volume level that's your problem. so look at 1Khz for sure.

it could also be a problem with the mic, that is possible. I also know that over the years, MCACC has been tuned differently. my old VSX-59TXI set all channels exactly 6 dB higher than the SC-09TX so to get equal apparent listening volume, the volume had to be set ~5 to 6 dB higher. the SC-68 is different still from the SC-09, it's l/r channel levels are only +2 dB while the SC-09 set them at +5 and the 59TXi was ~ 8 dB. I suspect the different preamp outputs Pioneer uses are due to tuning differences & possibly even different amp gains as their amp designs changed.

see if tweaking the EQ helps with the dialog. you might also want to re-run it from scratch in case it was a measurement problem.

it's always possible the receiver has a defect but not likely.
post #1408 of 1838
Thread Starter 
we all have our troubleshooting challenges

I'm in the middle of figuring out why my Sony SACD player suddenly wouldn't power on right now, when it's plugged into a Panamax that is functional and the cord was still securely inserted. plugged it into another Panamax unit that sits beside the one the player is connected to and it works fine....maybe a dead outlet? going to see by trying another one on the original box.

I hate it when I have to pull out the cabinets to do troubleshooting frown.gif PITA!

so no one is immune from troubleshooting in this hobby!

edit - all is well, no dead outlet. either the cord was slightly loosened or a gremlin tongue.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 4/28/13 at 8:45am
post #1409 of 1838
No doubt in my mind its the EQ settings being generated. The main seating position is pretty close to those massive speakers and the room isn't that big, that could be the biggest contributing factor. I will re-cal (I did do it correctly) and see if it changes. No biggie, just have to turn it up more I guess. My room is acoustically treated as well, wonder if that has anything to do with it.....
post #1410 of 1838
Big problem... my "FL OFF" indicator is flashing. The manual says that means the receiver is damaged. Any advice before I call Pioneer?
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