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post #1411 of 1835
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Originally Posted by jbwitt View Post

Big problem... my "FL OFF" indicator is flashing. The manual says that means the receiver is damaged. Any advice before I call Pioneer?

according to the SC-57 service manual (same amp design as SC-68/67), flashing FL Off can mean:

amp MOSFET output overheat condition
high DC current detected (> 7V) at speaker outputs, after the bass mgmt low pass filter

in each case, the receiver goes into error mode. according to this, the remedy is to do a normal Power On after 1 min. If the fan weren't operating properly, it could have resulted in the overheat condition but you should have also briefly seen Fan Stop on the display + flashing ipod light.

I'd unplug it for 30 min, plug it back in, let it set in Standby for several seconds, then hit the power/standby button. If it's still in error mode, there is a reset procedure you can try:

In Standby mode (plugged in but power off), simultaneously press & hold the TUNE (down arrow) & MULTIZONE ON/OFF keys for 5 seconds. Those would be the buttons on the front panel, not the remote.

If that reset doesn't clear it, then you'll have to call Pioneer. Were you playing it loud, by chance? wink.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 5/10/13 at 1:38pm
post #1412 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

according to the SC-57 service manual (same amp design as SC-68/67), flashing FL Off can mean:

amp MOSFET output overheat condition
high DC current detected (> 7V) at speaker outputs, after the bass mgmt low pass filter

in each case, the receiver goes into error mode. according to this, the remedy is to do a normal Power On after 1 min. If the fan weren't operating properly, it could have resulted in the overheat condition but you should have also briefly seen Fan Stop on the display + flashing ipod light.

I'd unplug it for 30 min, plug it back in, let it set in Standby for several seconds, then hit the power/standby button. If it's still in error mode, there is a reset procedure you can try:

In Standby mode (plugged in but power off), simultaneously press & hold the TUNE (down arrow) & MULTIZONE ON/OFF keys for 5 seconds. Those would be the buttons on the front panel, not the remote.

If that reset doesn't clear it, then you'll have to call Pioneer. Were you playing it loud, by chance? wink.gif

HI Steve - how's that SC-6x/Susano combination doing for you these days?
post #1413 of 1835
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^^
Hey Stu biggrin.gif

the combo is still doing great. I use the 09 for cable/DVR, due to opt & component cable lengths - not going to buy new ones wink.gif and the SC-68 for BD & DVD. music is 50/50 depending on source & mood. I still have my trusty 59avi player with Ilink & PQLS so the 09 gets used for DVD-A/SACD. obviously, any music using a network or ipod, I use the 68. it's a little hassle to have to switch back & forth between multichannel analogs, turn MCACC off & on, in order to use the 09's amps, but it's a small price to pay that saves me buying bigger amps for the time being.

I finally discovered airplay & greatly enjoy internet radio stations for background music - any genre is out there. one day I got in the mood for celtic folk songs & sure 'nuff, there's 'net stations for them! with all this content available, I haven't seen the need to pay someone like Pandora for it. but I admit I do enjoy my sirious while in the car redface.gif

glad to see you're still around...and I presume still enjoying the 4311 tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

I'm looking forward to 2014, could be a really interesting year for AVR's.

hope ccotenj is doing OK, he kept to his promise...he really did go off the grid!

edit - I am working on one upgrade. I have a music hall mmf-7 turntable and am thinking of adding a new TT to replace an old Dual I have for playing quad LP's (you're probably too young to remember quadraphonic records wink.gif) I'd use the music hall for quad and get a better TT for hi-end stereo. been auditioning a VPI Traveler & Rega RP6 with Dynavector cartridge at a local hi-end audio dealer. I'm thinking the Rega is the one for me but haven't plunked down the card yet. and no projector this year but I'm still working to convince WAF that a PJ/screen would make a great "getting ready to retire" purchase for 2014-15 biggrin.gif I'll get my way but at least waiting another yr or 2 will allow the dust to settle on 4K-ultraHD-2160p. and we have OLED to look forward to...an affordable ~80" OLED would get me to sell my 60" Kuro & forget about a PJ eek.gif from what I've read, consensus is OLED will be far more game-changing than a 50-60" 4K TV where you can't tell the difference from 10' anyway tongue.gif looks like another marketing gimmick like 3D was, admit it's a much better "upgrade" but I'd still take the promise of higher contrast ratio, true black and no motion blur of OLED.
Edited by ss9001 - 5/11/13 at 4:15am
post #1414 of 1835
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Originally Posted by jbwitt View Post

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wonder if he got it to work with the reset. it'd be nice if he let us know.
Edited by ss9001 - 5/11/13 at 6:24am
post #1415 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
Hey Stu biggrin.gif

the combo is still doing great. I use the 09 for cable/DVR, due to opt & component cable lengths - not going to buy new ones wink.gif and the SC-68 for BD & DVD. music is 50/50 depending on source & mood. I still have my trusty 59avi player with Ilink & PQLS so the 09 gets used for DVD-A/SACD. obviously, any music using a network or ipod, I use the 68. it's a little hassle to have to switch back & forth between multichannel analogs, turn MCACC off & on, in order to use the 09's amps, but it's a small price to pay that saves me buying bigger amps for the time being.

I finally discovered airplay & greatly enjoy internet radio stations for background music - any genre is out there. one day I got in the mood for celtic folk songs & sure 'nuff, there's 'net stations for them! with all this content available, I haven't seen the need to pay someone like Pandora for it. but I admit I do enjoy my sirious while in the car redface.gif

glad to see you're still around...and I presume still enjoying the 4311 tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

I'm looking forward to 2014, could be a really interesting year for AVR's.

hope ccotenj is doing OK, he kept to his promise...he really did go off the grid!

edit - I am working on one upgrade. I have a music hall mmf-7 turntable and am thinking of adding a new TT to replace an old Dual I have for playing quad LP's (you're probably too young to remember quadraphonic records wink.gif) I'd use the music hall for quad and get a better TT for hi-end stereo. been auditioning a VPI Traveler & Rega RP6 with Dynavector cartridge at a local hi-end audio dealer. I'm thinking the Rega is the one for me but haven't plunked down the card yet. and no projector this year but I'm still working to convince WAF that a PJ/screen would make a great "getting ready to retire" purchase for 2014-15 biggrin.gif I'll get my way but at least waiting another yr or 2 will allow the dust to settle on 4K-ultraHD-2160p. and we have OLED to look forward to...an affordable ~80" OLED would get me to sell my 60" Kuro & forget about a PJ eek.gif from what I've read, consensus is OLED will be far more game-changing than a 50-60" 4K TV where you can't tell the difference from 10' anyway tongue.gif looks like another marketing gimmick like 3D was, admit it's a much better "upgrade" but I'd still take the promise of higher contrast ratio, true black and no motion blur of OLED.

Like to catch up, but I'll send you a PM too to avoid turning this into our public private message board smile.gif.

Sounds like you're making judicious use of your SC-68, and blending both the modern with the 'flagship' elements of the Susano to your heart's content. Given your speaker configuration, the power of the Susano, as well as the legacy ability of it to run MCACC on an analog input for sources processed by the newer SC, serve you well.

Re the PITA element of switching back and forth between AVRs, and turning MCACC on and off on the Susano to avoid double processing, why not program it into a Harmony remote or something similar? That way you can build a macro and do 'one-touch' switching.

Internet radio is something, isn't it? Other than news, we listen to everything on it these days, including local FM. We also stream from our iPhones to the car, thanks to TunedIn app and AUX in cable from the iPhone to our Panny dashboard unit. Newer car audio receivers can stream Bluetooth or do other streaming/connection. IOW the pay satellite model is DOA.

If I were you, I'd consider one of the new 65" Panny VT60 or ZT60s in particular; some of the first reviews and comments on AVS are hailing it as a worthy successor to Kuro in the 'blacker than black' category. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for 4K to have a large amount of useful content, let alone a serious improvement unless you're sitting 6' away. That should keep you busy until OLED gets affordable.

And yes, I remember quad smile.gif. I missed out on the turntable etc. because by the time I had money @ college for my own HT, we were on the bleeding edge of Compact Disc!
Edited by sdrucker - 5/11/13 at 10:17am
post #1416 of 1835
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Originally Posted by jbwitt View Post

Big problem... my "FL OFF" indicator is flashing. The manual says that means the receiver is damaged. Any advice before I call Pioneer?

Does it allow you to do a reset (manual page 81)?
Edited by soniky - 5/12/13 at 1:17pm
post #1417 of 1835
Has anyone had issues with the SC-68 and network connectivity?

I've noticed that (as far as I can tell) this only happens when I leave "NETWORK STANDBY" on. I usually spot it by finding that I can't use my S3 or Kindle Fire HD to connect to the receiver. Then I use the remote and try to access Pandora or internet radio and the receiver won't connect.

Powering on or off won't change anything nor will unplugging and replugging the Ethernet cable. The only thing that brings it back to normal is to pull out the power cable, wait a few seconds and then reinserting it.
Edited by Exorcyst - 5/16/13 at 10:10am
post #1418 of 1835

I have SC-67 using with Panasonic Viera VT30, Motorola 3400 box, Harmony 1100 remote. Sometimes when I start up TV activety devices turn on but no TVsignal. I sourced the problem to receiver. I noticed receiver hangs up. I have to hold on/off button for 10s or so then turns off. I start-up activiety again and all is fine. This happens about 30% of the time. Getting annoying. Anyone have fix ideas? Could it be a setting in receiver I need to change?

post #1419 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

I have SC-67 using with Panasonic Viera VT30, Motorola 3400 box, Harmony 1100 remote. Sometimes when I start up TV activety devices turn on but no TVsignal. I sourced the problem to receiver. I noticed receiver hangs up. I have to hold on/off button for 10s or so then turns off. I start-up activiety again and all is fine. This happens about 30% of the time. Getting annoying. Anyone have fix ideas? Could it be a setting in receiver I need to change?

you could try putting the cable box on a different HDMI input (I'm assuming you're using HDMI). there may be a handshake compatibility problem between the cable box & receiver. not much you can do about that. if yours is a DCT or even DCX model, it's a few years old and may not be compatible with every new receiver. cable & sat boxes are notoriously the worst devices for HDMI connectivity & compatibility on the handshake protocols. everyone follows the same standards but some of the cable boxes are not exactly using those exact standards.

you might try putting it on different HDMI inputs and see if one is more stable but that is a crapshoot.

my advice is do one of the following:

- connect it with HDMI to the TV directly & run optical/digital audio to the receiver or
- forget using HDMI and just go component video & optical to the receiver.

the last is what I've been doing for years and obviously I've never had problems wink.gif and I don't plan on changing even though I know it works directly to the TV.
post #1420 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Exorcyst View Post

Has anyone had issues with the SC-68 and network connectivity? .


My sc-68 often can be powered off for days with network standby on and it would still connect to pandora in seconds (knock on wood). It may have something to do with your network router. If you use DHCP, it can get expired depends on your router settings. If you use fixed IP, then make sure it's not part of the DHCP range and it's not used by anything else.
post #1421 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

I have SC-67 using with Panasonic Viera VT30, Motorola 3400 box, Harmony 1100 remote. Sometimes when I start up TV activety devices turn on but no TVsignal. I sourced the problem to receiver. I noticed receiver hangs up. I have to hold on/off button for 10s or so then turns off. I start-up activiety again and all is fine. This happens about 30% of the time. Getting annoying. Anyone have fix ideas? Could it be a setting in receiver I need to change?

I also think it's likely the handshake with HDMI. If you want to make sure nothing is wrong with the receiver, when the problem happens again you can try power off/on the TV and wait for 30 seconds, do the same to the cable box and wait for 30 seconds, and see if that solves the problem without doing anything to the receiver.

I believe a safe sequence to power on HDMI connected devices is by this order: 1st the output device (TV), wait for it gets ready, then 2nd the middle-man (receiver), wait for it connects to the 1st device, then lastly the input device (cable box, dvd player).
post #1422 of 1835

Thanks I think I'm going to review my Harmony 1100 start-up squence and make your recommended adjustments. I really don't want to shuffle cables as noted in previous post. Will advise. 

post #1423 of 1835
I added a 2-second delay in my Harmony from cable box and TV turn-on until receiver on. In my case the AVR (SC-27, older model) needed the extra time, otherwise I would often not get sound, picture, or both.
post #1424 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Thanks I think I'm going to review my Harmony 1100 start-up squence and make your recommended adjustments. I really don't want to shuffle cables as noted in previous post. Will advise. 

worth a try, although I can tell you that start-up sequence has no effect on any HDMI or DVI-HDCP gear I've owned. not one bit. doesn't matter what I turn on 1st or last, it either works or it doesn't. I've had 2 devices not pass thru 2 receivers, one receiver has HDMI 1.3b & the SC-68 with 1.4.

One device was a player with HDMI 1.0 and the other was a D-VHS deck with HDMI 1.1. I tried every input and different turn on sequences. neither would pass; my conclusion is that despite HDMI supposed to being backwards compatible, it really isn't.

If your cable box is a DCT3400 model, the HDMI chipset in it is pretty old. so it may not work reliably no matter what you do. The DCX3400 models are newer but still not trouble-free on HDMI as some find out:

here's just some posts I dug up on a Comcast forum -

"The problem with the Motorola DCX3400 HD DVR not being able to maintain its user settings due to its inability to manage the HDMI handshake protocol is widely publicized. Message to Comcast: Please either fix the HDMI problem with this equipment or replace it with something that actually functions properly. Every time I power up my home entertainment system (AV-receiver + TV + DCX3400 cable box) to watch television, I have to go into the DCX3400 user settings and set the HDMI output to Native. The box is incapable of retaining these settings. Again, this is a well-known and well-documented DEFECT with the Motorola equipment."

"if you leave the cable box on does it still have the issue? the box is never really off so turning it off is not saving you anything. You can also take the box to the local office and get a new one. I don't think comcast is going to as you say fix it, I believe its a motorola issue since comcast just loads its software onto the box the actual OS is there from motorola. Comcast is going to be rolling out the new iptv boxes later this year. most times that error is when your trying to run it to the receiver and not just to the tv. If you go direct from box to tv and then optical audio to receiver I see the problem goes away."

"Yes, if I leave the box on, it still has the issue. When I switch my AV system on, a new HDMI communication between the AV receiver and the Motorola box takes place. At this juncture, the Motorola box goes back to the 720p setting. If I cable the Motorola box via HDMI direct to the TV, I experience a downgrade of the functionality of my AV receiver, in that I am not able to call up the AV receiver's on-screen menu while watching content from the cable box. This is an unacceptable workaround, in my opinion. For now, I know how to effect the workaround and choose this route over degraded functionality of my AV receiver due to Comcast equipment problems."

"I realize this is a Motorola issue, for sure. None the less, Comcast has chosen to use and continues to use the Motorola equipment and provide it to its customers as a Comcast solution. At the very least, Comcast should be placing massive pressure on Motorola to fix its problem. (If I have such a problem with an integrated product/service I provide to my customers, my customers have zero tolerance for my telling them that my supplier has a problem and that I can do nothing about it. I go back to my supplier and work with them to provide a working solution for my customers. I have also heard multiple times from Comcast that something new will be rolling out only to find that the roll out is either late or will not happen (due to changed strategy, etc). I also have my doubts about the quality of a new product roll out from Comcast, given their history with "buggy" products."

"I've had the same problems with audio, but found an interesting situation. If I record a show on the 3400, and while playing it, experience the one minute audio drop-out, I can rewind to the minute before the drop-out and the audio is there and plays just fine. Comcast has no answer on why this occurs."

makes some interesting reading tongue.gif
see why I say go component & opt? wink.gif

not worth the headaches, IMHO.

but if you try a different sequence & its stable, let us know. your success may help others.
Edited by ss9001 - 5/17/13 at 12:17pm
post #1425 of 1835
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Originally Posted by soniky View Post

My sc-68 often can be powered off for days with network standby on and it would still connect to pandora in seconds (knock on wood). It may have something to do with your network router. If you use DHCP, it can get expired depends on your router settings. If you use fixed IP, then make sure it's not part of the DHCP range and it's not used by anything else.

It is using a fixed IP and it's not in the DHCP range. Any other ideas? smile.gif
post #1426 of 1835
Hello,

Sorry if this is put in the wrong place.

I have two questions about my SC-67.
Have five to one system running.
Would like to add another suround to system.
Can the receiver run six to one?

I am trying to avoid purchasing the WL-300 Pioneer adaptor for Airplay.
Can I use something else?

Most appriciated,
Mr. Panda
post #1427 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Mr.Panda View Post

Have five to one system running.
Would like to add another suround to system. Can the receiver run six to one?

confused.gif

sorry, what do you mean by "five to one system"? do you mean a 5.1 speaker setup with side surrounds?

if you meant 5.1 & want to add rear surrounds to make it 7.1 or 6.1 then yes and you can use only 1 back speaker (6.1). just connect it to the terminal labeled Surround Back Single (=surround back L). if this is not what you meant, then please clarify & I'll try to help smile.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 5/17/13 at 3:05pm
post #1428 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Mr.Panda View Post

Hello,

I am trying to avoid purchasing the WL-300 Pioneer adaptor for Airplay.
Can I use something else?

Many people use Netgear WNCE2001 including myself. However, depends on your wireless performance, wired cable may be better than wireless. Power line adaptors can be another option but only after cable and wireless in my experience.
post #1429 of 1835
Thread Starter 
^^
I edited mine...you figured out he had 2 separate questions I guess smile.gif
post #1430 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Exorcyst View Post

It is using a fixed IP and it's not in the DHCP range. Any other ideas? smile.gif

I had a network printer that kept dropping out from network. I could've swore that I had not used the same IP on anything else but it turned out I had. Not saying this is your case though. Since you connect the receiver with ethernet cable, that rules out any wireless issues. You said replugging cable doesn't help, neither does power on/off, but have to unplug the power cable. Hmm.... I don't want to waste your time but you might try unplugging the ethernet cable and wait for 2 minutes before you plug it back. If it reconnects fine, I'd say it has a higher chance that it's a router problem. We hope it is not a problem with the receiver. Double check that the network mask matches exactly with the gateway. I assume that your receiver is cabled directly to the router with nothing else in between and the router is your gateway.
post #1431 of 1835
Hello SS9001,

Thank you for your reply.
Im running five to one now.
Two surounds in rear.
My calibrator said I could add one more surround that woud make three.
Just making sure my receiver can accomplish this?
post #1432 of 1835
Hello Soniky,

Really do not want Pioneer 300 device.
Read to many poor things about it.

I will look up the Netger now that you have mentioned.
Think that is exactly what I am looking for.

Think Pioneer told me I might have communication issues with another device.
That is because they want me to purchase their device.

Thank you,

Mr. Panda
post #1433 of 1835
Great!

Netgear seems to be just what I was looking for but I forgot I have more than one device.
Such as the SC-67,media player,BR player Etc.
Will the N 900 work for me?

Most appreciated,

Mr. Panda
post #1434 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Mr.Panda View Post

Netgear seems to be just what I was looking for but I forgot I have more than one device.
Such as the SC-67,media player,BR player Etc.
Will the N 900 work for me?

Netgear N900 is a wireless router. If you do not already have a wireless router then it could be a solution for you. However, it must be physically located close to your modem and SC-67 because both would be wired connections. If you already have a wireless router, then you would need something like Netgear Range Extender WN2500RP which has 4 ports for wired devices and can bridge them to your wireless router. However, it must divide the same wireless bandwidth among the 4 ports if you use all 4 and they are all actively transmitting.
post #1435 of 1835
Hello Soniky,

You are correct!
Was looking at wrong thing.

I do need a least four ports and I do hae Netgear router.
Am assuming this will communicate with Apply Air Play.

Would like to run my Panasonic VT-30 and Panasonic BR with it.
Pany. keeps telling me I need to use their adaptors.
Think this is rubbish.
Let me know?

THank you,

Mr. Panda
post #1436 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Mr.Panda View Post

Pany. keeps telling me I need to use their adaptors.

You do not have to use pany adapter. WiFi and wired ethernet networking are industrial standard so you don't have to use a particular brand. SC-67/68 uses standard ethernet and Airplay uses standard WiFi. Both WiFi and ethernet interoperate under the same IP networking standard.

I assume there is a distance between your router and the other devices, otherwise you can connect those devices directly to the LAN ports on the router via ethernet cables. If you use a 4 port wireless extender (to extend the distance between your router and the other devices), you want to check if the extender would work well with your existing router (for wireless bridging). Don't just take my word as Netgear should be able to tell you if your Netgear router can work with the extender or not. It certainly helps if they both are Netgear.
post #1437 of 1835
Yes,
They just want me to purchase their adapter.HT is not where router is.
Going to have that room wireed in the future.

What I did not think of is dividing bandwith between four ports.
What if I turn of other devices?

Will check with Netgeard about campatibility issues.
Think range extender is same range as my routher.

Thank you.
post #1438 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Thanks I think I'm going to review my Harmony 1100 start-up squence and make your recommended adjustments. I really don't want to shuffle cables as noted in previous post. Will advise. 

wcmartin,

I have had issues with Motorola (DCX3510-M) as well as Cisco (8742HDC) box; which appeared to be due to HDMI handshake issue with the SC68. The image on the screen would randomly "shake" when using the Cisco during startup or input switching. The Motorola would either randomly produce no image, sound, or a snowy image during startup.

I also have a Harmony 900 remote. I tried different startup sequences, but that didn't appear to work 100% of the time. I thought about trying to introduce a delay between devices. Instead, I asked my cable provider for a different box. They provided me a Samsung box. So far, I haven't had any issues with startup or input switching. The Samsung box does not appear to have HDMI handshake issues with the SC68.

There is also a device called "Gefen HDMI Detective Plus". I was going to look into this more if the Samsung didn't work or the Harmony delay didn't work. This device is supposed to ensure that the source receives a correct EDID signal at all times. This is a bit expensive option though. I would see if your cable provider can give you a different box to try first.
post #1439 of 1835
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi PureUncut, on the remote use "Signal Sel" and set to Digital.

Thanks JChin,

I tried that and was able to get Optical audio working properly.

I still have the occasional popping sound. It appears to be cable source related. I mostly hear it during HBO and Cinemax channels. There are some threads popping up that talks about static or audio distortions with HBO and Cinemax from different cable providers (DirectTV, TWC, etc). You don't hear it as much when in stereo 2 channel, but it is evident in Home Theater setups.
post #1440 of 1835
Hi all. Brought home an SC-67 several weeks ago and have enjoyed the receiver; had no problems until last night when I tried to play a Blu-Ray movie--no sound from the A SPKRs set up for 7.1; I am getting sound from the B SPKRs.

I've tried everything short of a reset but cannot restore sound to the A SPKRs. It doesn't matter what input (CD, TV, or Pandora), I can only get sound from the B SPKRs. I did notice a low rumble from the sub-woofer when I had the A SPKRs last night on but now even that has stopped.

Any ideas?

Question on an unrelated topic: If I use the remote Input or Select keys to choose Pandora or Internet radio, I can't use the arrow keys on the circle pad to scroll and select from the folders. It's not a problem if I use the remote Net key--then i can use the arrow keys and Enter to scroll, select and play. Is this by design or am I missing something?

Regards,


persist
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