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post #151 of 1835
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I can say that the new amp design seems to have a nice class A/B sound to my ears (whatever that is wink.gif) & that with all my 4 ohm magnepan speakers connected, even at very hi volumes, its sound seemed very smooth & par with a hi-powered, hi current design 2 ch amp I use (600@4ohms) that's saying something. If I had to put a subjective label on what it sounded like vs the Ice amps (ccotenj - you can ignore this tongue.gifwink.gif), I'd say a little less "edgy". How's that for "audio-fool" lingo? tongue.gifbiggrin.gifTo my ears, the Ice amps seemed a little brighter or edgier when really pushed hard, more so than the class A/B amp. This could be differences in MCACC tuning, the lower distortion, the higher sampling frequency in the amp design itself, or just my imagination eek.gif which is most likely the case wink.gifredface.gif

That's how it sounded to me too... comparing the SC-61 to a nice 170wpc Class A/B amp (T+A 1530R)

It might be real... or it might be psychoacoustics. who knows for sure I know I tried double-blind testing amps many years ago, and was embarrassed... there was no consistent differences - all perceived differences seemed to be random - it was not possible to pick the "brighter, edgier, bloomier, blah blah blah" amp consistently. But it is amazing, with eyes open - the sexy heavy brushed aluminum box sure does sound bloomier with tighter bass and more air and blah blah blah smile.gif
post #152 of 1835
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^^

lol
yeah, you're right - too much reading Absolute Sound recently has warped my objectivity, I guess biggrin.gif

I'd believe it to be psychooacoustics or just psycho - since we've read about the lower distortion, the new design, no need for feedback loops to make the Ice amp sound good & on & on wink.gif Once you've read all this, you kind of expect it to sound a little different redface.gif

But I swore it did just a little - I just know it did eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Bottom line is - it doesn't sound worse than the Ice amps in the 09 wink.gif

While its build is not the same as the true flagships of old, like the SC-09, no one is making those kind of receivers anymore. It's still top notch build quality for a current flagship model. Frankly, and I admit this is personal opinion, I like the exterior, knobs, etc much better than the highly praised Denon 4311! Since I was considering a swap to Denon earlier this yr, I took a look at the 4311 and its knobs & door were clearly plastic, looked plastic, worked like plastic & less appealing. The knobs on the 09 were machined alum or really looked like machined alum wink.gif and the SC-68 has the same metal look in the front. While this means squat to sound & video quality, curb appeal does have some value to nitpicky anal people like me eek.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 9/7/12 at 10:59am
post #153 of 1835
^^
Steve: it's one thing to justify a Pio purchase due to the amp setup and familiarity with MCACC, and your personal investment of time with Walkamo in understanding their design philosophy. But preferring a Pioneer SC over door knobs and panel feel?eek.gif. What's next--build quality of power cords and AM antennas?smile.gif

Oh well....someone's got to boost Pioneer's brand equity...and your posts help keep the SC threads from going dormant.
post #154 of 1835
^^^

i WAS gonna let that go... tongue.gif

and probably should, as i'm the person who essentially gave away an integra 9.9 because it was so ugly i couldn't stand to even have it in my house, let alone my room... redface.gif

re: susano vs. 68... i'm sure the 68 would "work" as well for probably 99% of the people out there... looking at it from a "real world perspective", the amplification sections are essentially "equal"... the dsp and other "thingies" are as well... from a "tech" perspective, the 68 is actually a "better" machine...

guys like steve, who require ac-3 connections, etc., fall into that 1% who use the things that the susano has but the 68 doesn't...

that being said... the susano still has the lcd... biggrin.gif that lcd caused considerable electronics lust back in the day...
post #155 of 1835
OK, so question for this group... yes I know this is the 67/68 thread... I've been looking at the 65... and I am kind of between that and the Yamaha 2020... The Yamaha has the Vida processing chip and upscales to 4K and since this will be 80% for HT I'm wondering if that matters for future proofing... or if the 4K pass through on the Pioneer is good enough... I prefer the Pioneer and I am upgrading from an NAD 770 which does not have HDMI and has a leaky AMP...

Any opinion one way or the other...?
post #156 of 1835
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^^
Steve: it's one thing to justify a Pio purchase due to the amp setup and familiarity with MCACC, and your personal investment of time with Walkamo in understanding their design philosophy. But preferring a Pioneer SC over door knobs and panel feel?eek.gif. What's next--build quality of power cords and AM antennas?smile.gif
Oh well....someone's got to boost Pioneer's brand equity...and your posts help keep the SC threads from going dormant.

Stu - you can critique me on this & you did wink.gif

You can give me a raspberry for this - That's OK, I can take it wink.gif Maybe I deserve it eek.gif

I'm just saying what my real world reaction was to physically seeing a normal priced Denon up close @ local Magnolia store. Has nothing to do with my Pioneer brand loyalty or Walkamo or my enthusiasm. This was back when I was seriously looking at a change to Denon, and a few months before I got the SC-68 smile.gif

For the record, once more...I have owned & 2- $4500 Elites, 1 - $7000 Elite and was trying to go for the $7500 AVP eek.gif Not bragging, just saying - I like to go for the top of the line models if I can afford them and can justify them to myself wink.gif That's just me - believe me, my WAF sometimes wishes I didn't! And when I added it all up for an AVP, the pos's and the neg's, I couldn't justify this big expense even to myself redface.gif The 4311 just doesn't have some of the "thingies", as ccotenj called them, I use in the SC-09.

For the record, those models were all metal, all had superb build quality & quirky me - I placed a value on it.

That's a reason, not the main ones, I struggled with selling off the SC-09. Other than the 5308 & AVP, there's nothing remotely "affordable" that exactly replaces it. That may not mean much to your needs, but it did mine. In the end, I decided to keep it, there were 3 major unique features it has that I came to use & built a system around, B surrounds, adding DSP to multichannel analogs for a vintage quad system I have, and in the end, having to ditch my multiple players to go with Denon to get DenonLink which I find out has been replaced so all current players are obsoleted tongue.gif

Also, you may remember, I have the SVS EQ so I already have Multi32 were it counts wink.gif

I didn't critique you for going to a Denon 4311 & thinking it was better smile.gif I didn't challenge you one bit smile.gif not in a thread nor in a PM. I knew where you were coming from.

If it's in good jest & a subtle jab, I'm cool. I know ccotenj is teasing me but I don't know if that's the same with you or you are seriously criticizing me for a choice. I know chris smile.gif You brought Walkamo into it, so is there more to your tease than teasing? wink.gif

I'd be happy to take this to a PM or even a phone call if you'd like. We've shared our opinions in PM's so I'd like to finally talk to you smile.gif Are you game? ccotenj & I have talked a number of times. Shoot me a PM smile.gif

The quip on keeping Pioneer alive...I won't comment wink.gif

Steez - we still agree on some things, Stu wink.gif

I know this subforum has turned into a big Audyssey support group eek.gif And that's OK, it's a great system but there's still Pioneer people around smile.gif

and I admit, plastic knobs is not a good reason for 99.999% of buyers. Maybe that was a bit over the top & too much like an Emo fanboy eek.giftongue.gif I admit I got carried away, so I'm human redface.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 9/7/12 at 2:31pm
post #157 of 1835
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Stu - you can critique me on this & you did wink.gif
I'm just saying what my real world reaction was to physically seeing a normal priced Denon up close @ local Magnolia store. Has nothing to do with my Pioneer brand loyalty or Walkamo or my enthusiasm.
You & chris can give me raspberries for this but it won't change my personal opinion wink.gif Keep in mind I have owned & 2- $4500 Elites & 1 - $7000 Elite and was not looking at the 4311 but the $7500 AVP eek.gif All were metal, all have/had superb build quality & quirky me - I placed a value on it. That's one reason I struggled with selling off the SC-09. Other than the 5308 & AVP, there's nothing remotely "affordable" that exactly replaces it. That may not mean much to your needs, but it did mine. In the end, I decided to keep it, there were 3 major unique features it has that I came to use & built a system around, B surrounds, adding DSP to multichannel analogs for a vintage quad system, and in the end, having to ditch my multiple players to go with Denon's to get DenonLink. Too much change & too much money. Also, you may remember, I have the SVS EQ so I already have Multi32 were it counts wink.gif
I wouldn't critique you if you had a Lexus when you could have a Toyota, why do it with me, even if it's in good jest & a subtle jab? wink.gif I know ccotenj is jabbing me in a teasing way but I don't know if you're teasing me or seriously criticizing me for a choice? I know chris smile.gif
The quip on keeping Pioneer alive...I won't comment wink.gif
I know this sub-forum has turned into a big Audyssey support group eek.gif And that's OK, it's a great system but there's still Pioneer people around smile.gif

Steve - you've got valid reasons for staying with your SC-09: B surrounds for switching between Music & HT, adding DSP to analog inputs for a vintage system that you still enjoy,support for Dolby AC-3 decoding, and not wanting to go into a replacement mode that costs time and money are certainly things I respect. This is a hobby, and we all have different priorities. Plus 'starting over' with room correction, at the expense of tweaks to an approach you're quite familiar with, isn't for everyone. At least, since you've got the SVS outboard sub EQ you're down to preference for what MCACC does vs. XT32.

I hope you know I was teasing you...I just thought it was funny because the folks at Magnolia seriously _would_ try to sell you a power cord based on build quality and being more robust than stock cords. What's ironic about this is that I agree with you about the "look" of the receivers being a plus for Pioneer. With that blue light and trim, the Pioneer SCs are indeed 'better looking' than a Denon, and 'metal' adds to the cool factor. Facetiousness aside, that is one way that real-world consumers (as opposed to gearheads like us) make decisions. Just like the GUI for the Denon 4311 vs. the ones on the older SCs.

I wouldn't call this particular sub-forum an "Audyssey support group" exactly; there's not much traffic from Audyssey heads other than Chris (ccotenj) & me AFAIK. And the 'disgruntled' camp has largely run out of energy and/or purpose to crash Pioneer threads. You should read the Audyssey thread; there's plenty of "heresy" and questioning of what XT32 is doing (i.e. the argument about the "anti-spike") at times.

FWIW, I wouldn't mind reading more real-world use of the SC-68 and ICE amps with the DACs and MCACC correction. The stuff about zones and networking isn't as interesting personally, but again, we're not all iDork clones.

Disclaimer: we do have a Lexus....and the build quality for our LX is 'better' than the Toyota (must be the leather seats LOL). But it's 10 years old and bought used, so we should talk:).
Edited by sdrucker - 9/7/12 at 2:19pm
post #158 of 1835
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^^^
i WAS gonna let that go... tongue.gif
and probably should, as i'm the person who essentially gave away an integra 9.9 because it was so ugly i couldn't stand to even have it in my house, let alone my room... redface.gif
re: susano vs. 68... i'm sure the 68 would "work" as well for probably 99% of the people out there... looking at it from a "real world perspective", the amplification sections are essentially "equal"... the dsp and other "thingies" are as well... from a "tech" perspective, the 68 is actually a "better" machine...
guys like steve, who require ac-3 connections, etc., fall into that 1% who use the things that the susano has but the 68 doesn't...
that being said... the susano still has the lcd... biggrin.gif that lcd caused considerable electronics lust back in the day...

+1 as always smile.gif

with the new tech, the 68 is more advanced, no question, just like the 4311 had become compared to the 5308.

And I'm glad you understand. I forgot AC-3 altho most of the Dolby Digital LD's I own have been "replaced" with Blu's biggrin.gif
post #159 of 1835
^^^

i knew you were teasing... smile.gif like us (me anyway redface.gif ), i think steve might be a bit cranky because of the recent onslaught of newish posters telling us we are wrong... wink.gif

as far as the lexus... i'll raise you another 7 years... smile.gif there is a 17 year old sc300 sitting in my driveway*... see, steve, i do like some "vintage" items... tongue.gif

* to keep it on an "audio" topic at least.... yes, i spent WAY too much money on the audio setup i put in it... that car ROCKS...
post #160 of 1835
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^^^
i WAS gonna let that go... tongue.gif
and probably should, as i'm the person who essentially gave away an integra 9.9 because it was so ugly i couldn't stand to even have it in my house, let alone my room... redface.gif
re: susano vs. 68... i'm sure the 68 would "work" as well for probably 99% of the people out there... looking at it from a "real world perspective", the amplification sections are essentially "equal"... the dsp and other "thingies" are as well... from a "tech" perspective, the 68 is actually a "better" machine...
guys like steve, who require ac-3 connections, etc., fall into that 1% who use the things that the susano has but the 68 doesn't...
that being said... the susano still has the lcd... biggrin.gif that lcd caused considerable electronics lust back in the day...

+1 as always smile.gif

with the new tech, the 68 is more advanced, no question, just like the 4311 had become compared to the 5308.

And I'm glad you understand. I forgot AC-3 altho most of the Dolby Digital LD's I own have been "replaced" with Blu's biggrin.gif

yea... realistically, for the great majority of users, the 68 would be a "better" choice over the susano, simply because the newer tech will be far more useful to them than any of the features that are missing vs. the susano... you know me... i'm a "features" kind of guy... smile.gif

although as alluded to earlier, i do miss the lcd... redface.gif

between you "replacing" your ld's and becoming an idork, the committee is strongly considering removing your luddite status... tongue.gif
post #161 of 1835
Well I just don't understand why Steve would base his purchasing upon metal knobs. Silly. Ridiculous.
I mean would one purchase the 67-68 for the copper colored screws on the back?
As for me, I have decided upon the 68 over the 67 for one practical useful difference.
I have to have the gold plated connectors!!!

Does that make me as anal as Steve?? eek.gif
post #162 of 1835
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I didn't critique you for going to a Denon 4311 & thinking it was better smile.gif I didn't challenge you one bit smile.gif not in a thread nor in a PM. I knew where you were coming from.
If it's in good jest & a subtle jab, I'm cool. I know ccotenj is teasing me but I don't know if that's the same with you or you are seriously criticizing me for a choice. I know chris smile.gif You brought Walkamo into it, so is there more to your tease than teasing? wink.gif
I'd be happy to take this to a PM or even a phone call if you'd like. We've shared our opinions in PM's so I'd like to finally talk to you smile.gif Are you game? ccotenj & I have talked a number of times. Shoot me a PM smile.gif

PM shot......electronically speaking biggrin.gif.
post #163 of 1835
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Disclaimer: we do have a Lexus....and the build quality for our LX is 'better' than the Toyota (must be the leather seats LOL). But it's 10 years old and bought used, so we should talk:).

biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif lol!

I had edited my post removing that - thought it was superfluous but here you caught it before my edit wink.gif and I find out it actually fits!! tongue.gifwink.gif I love it!

I thought you were teasing so all is cool biggrin.gif at least we can poke fun at each other without everyone getting their panties in a wad or getting in the penalty box eek.gif

I mean chris is always calling me a luddite biggrin.gif he's going to add Pio fanboy any day now, I know it wink.gif
I enjoy a good jest. I get too serious in this forum...need to take more jousting lessons from ccotenj biggrin.gif

stu - have a good weekend cool.gif
post #164 of 1835
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Does that make me as anal as Steve?? eek.gif

yup! biggrin.gif
post #165 of 1835
And while some of us have added the 4311 and XT32 to our mix - I for one have no plans to get rid of my SC-07 and it's ice amps. Just wish Pioneer would improve its room correction system to the point of at least adding the sub to the mix. Who knows Steve - you may win some of us back to the fold. another Steve (about 100 miles to the west)
post #166 of 1835
I use my SC-57 as a prepro thru Sunfire amps to 4 ohm speakers and it does shut down sometimes. Thinking about upgrading to the SC-68 for the 4 ohm rating.
post #167 of 1835
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I just discovered another trick feature in the 68 - the Zone 4 HDMI output cool.gif

For those who want to use the 68 as an HDMI entertainment hub or put together a convoluted 1 room setup eek.gif, you can do it with a 1 cable solution:

Source>>SC-68>>Zone 4 out>>Receiver in another room (or same room if you're keeping a Susano wink.gif) and use the Multizone controls to activate Z4 and select the source. Viola! Video & 7.1 audio gets passed from one AVR to the other, audio processed and on to the display - complicated but geeky cool smile.gif

What I haven't figured out yet is 1) how to change volume on Z4 in the SC-68 & 2) if the 68's surround processing modes do anything for 2nd zone. For sure, if you want to use the 68 for surround processing & MCACC, you MUST set the 2nd AVR to Pure Direct - otherwise, audio will get processed twice - not 100% sure that's a bad thing confused.gif but I think it would be.

It does complicate using the SC-68 as a normal AVR to be sure, but no different than any multizone use & it's there as an option. My dilemma is that I'm not trying to setup multi rooms, I'm just trying to use the SC-68 as a prepro into the SC-09 (or vice versa - depending on test reviews of the amps).

The bad news today is that I discovered one of my HDMI feeds to the kuro is not going to work; I have 2- very long HDMI runs to my kuro & unfortunately, the 2nd run is a 45 ft HDMI-DVI cable. I had put an adapter on it. It always worked with cable & with direct player connection but neither the SC-68 or the SC-09 will pass video thru it - even turned off HDMI hi speed & HDMI control - nada - no picture. It syncs OK - all devices make the handshake - but no video. My guess is the AVR is seeing the adapter as a repeater or a break in the connection. Also I found one of my HDMI cables was bad, probably me running over it with the cabinets when I was re-building them last weekend frown.gif

HDMI giveth & it taketh away frown.gif

I'm going to bite the bullet & still buy 7.1 analog multichannel audio cables & replace the long run & get it over with - Blue Jeans Cable will be happy to see my order this month tongue.gifwink.gif But I'm going to also connect up this Z4 HDMI just so I can play with it cool.gif

A very cool little feature & neat engr trick to pull off - a repeater into a repeater. I don't think that's e6asy to do & have it work reliably.

Plus it's some neat tech the Denon 4311 doesn't have tongue.gif Even i-dorks can appreciate this wink.gif

Imagine that - Pioneer beats Denon to market with something new eek.gif
I believe the 4520 will have it but all you 4311 guys can eat my dust biggrin.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 9/8/12 at 7:00am
post #168 of 1835
@bsoko...

if you are running it as a pre-pro, it can't possibly make any difference... wink.gif
post #169 of 1835
@steve...

on the long hdmi run... it's likely the length, not the converter... the avr wouldn't be able to "know" about the converter...

fwiw, i installed one of the newer "hdmi over cat6" units from monoprice not too long ago, and it works really well... just a thought, as it's a helluva lot easier to pull cat6 than a bluejeans series-1 hdmi cable...
post #170 of 1835
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thanks, chris, I'm checking them out. do you mean the $200 extender or the ~$20-25 budget ones?

as far as length, both runs to the kuro were 45 ft + 6 ft extender cables on each end for strain relief since series 1 is heavy. the tot length is ~60 ft but the straight HDMI cable run always worked, 1080p 36 bits, and still does. the run with DVI on 1 end works @ 1080p with direct sources all the way to the TV. The only diff between the runs is the hdmi-dvi adapter.

I'm confused, all I know is it doesn't work thru either AVR. I admit I never had checked it out thru the 09 since I never intended it for that purpose. it was mainly for a backup, just hanging out, nothing to do...until now tongue.gif

should have gotten the right cable to begin with, another early mistake to add to my list rolleyes.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 9/8/12 at 8:40am
post #171 of 1835
Congratulations on finding a way to extend the usefulness of your Susano with HDMI! That Zone 4 might literally give you best of both worlds in an almost complete digital domain.

You're also 'right' about this being something the canonical Denon 4311 lacks:p. I even could see a use or two:

In theory, one could go full Frankenstein's monster and use a non-existent 4311's 'Zone 4' to connect to an SC-68 in another room. That way you could have one room with Audyssey and another with an SC unit and MCACC (+QDEO 4K up scaling for the almost equally non-existent 4K content, if HDMI rules allow video to go on that connecting cable), but one entertainment hub on the 4311. Great for A/B comparisons for a geek with two identical rooms, speaker setups, and room treatments. And unlimited time....

Also, that non-existent Zone 4 could turn the 4311 into a transport for an older DVD or BluRay with Denon Link (pre-HD), to another AVR.

And.......use the SC-68 as the hub/video processor, output audio on its HDMI Zone 4, and let a 4311 do its full Audyssey XT32 magic and also be the amp. More A/B goodness might ensue.

So you're right....it is a point of superiority:eek:!
post #172 of 1835
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Congratulations on finding a way to extend the usefulness of your Susano with HDMI! That Zone 4 might literally give you best of both worlds in an almost complete digital domain...if HDMI rules allow video to go on that connecting cable...Also, that non-existent Zone 4 could turn the 4311 into a transport for an older DVD or BluRay with Denon Link (pre-HD), to another AVR.

+1 on all counts smile.gif

and thanks! I didn't know what to expect but yes, it passes the video, from 1 AVR thu the other...surprising the companies can get that to work but it does. No down-rez either. If I read the tentative Denon 4520 specs right, it will also have this capability, at least one site says HDMI to Zone 2. Have to see if they implement it the same way, audio & video. But yes, I can see home entertainment possibilities, not just geeky ones wink.gif Of course, someone has to pull HDMI or cat6 wink.gif thru walls & ceilings so from a practical real-world standpoint, it might be just as EZ & cheap to have 2 separate room systems. But it is kind of neat smile.gif

I *think* there may be matrix switchers or transceivers (Gefen maybe?) that could do repeater hops but I'm not sure & I wouldn't think it'll be a budget one.
post #173 of 1835
@steve...

the $200 (or so) one...

if you wanna make this work the way you'd like it to, say the word... smile.gif i can step through the matrixing, etc.

the way i have my equipment set up now, only the avr, disk spinner, msc-400 and the receiver for the hdmi extender is in the theater room... all the other sources are in the downstairs rack, connected to a 4x2 matrix switch... the matrix switch feeds the sender of the hdmi extender and the downstairs tv... edit: this setup is essentially stuart's "frankenstein" setup, except feeding a tv instead of a second avr...

since you use urc rf remotes, remotely locating equipment shouldn't be an issue...

cleaned up my stuff (in the theater room, anyway) a lot... and allowed me to share the other sources with the downstairs room... once i get off my can and pull speaker wire from downstairs to upstairs, i'm gonna move the avr down there too... get another extender and leave disk spinner in theater, use that extender to go from spinner to avr, and use the existing one to go from avr (through radiance) to pj...

food for thought, since you are tearing everything apart anyway...
post #174 of 1835
It's good to see you stay in the Pioneer Camp. The Denon 4311/Audyssey camp had become so strong that it seemed most features of the Pioneer were dismissed out of hand as inconsequential or marketing only. At least we'll have some discussion about the merits now.
post #175 of 1835
Steve-

I'm keeping the Susano in the HT room driving my MK-150s x5 with Velo DD 12+ just fine (Pio 141 is the display)...the SC-68 will replace my Yammie m-80 that finally gave up the ghost and an rx-A1000 yammie used as a pre-pro...for stereo multi-zone duties outside the HT room.

The SC-68 seems like a perfect addition/replacement for my mult-zone needs and will be easy (and fun) to run using JRRivers for FLAC streaming duties. I considered a Parasound 2250 to replace the blown m-80, but I am really taken by the Class D sound with my paticular speakers, and application. Yes, I slid in my Lexi- 7 ch amp, and I really prefer the Class D as do my friends who now all have Pio class D receivers of one gen or another.

The feature set in these new Pios, and the elimination of side issues like possible loop hum, the extra wires, and heat generated by class A stuff, really make these new Pios a no brainer...more to follow when it comes in...
post #176 of 1835
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@steve...
the $200 (or so) one...
if you wanna make this work the way you'd like it to, say the word... smile.gif i can step through the matrixing, etc.

yes, I'm interested. and I had no idea how far you had come to a pro HT setup even on the wiring side. I'm impressed cool.gif

if you want to cover in a PM or even a call, I'm open to your suggestions. going to be tied up for couple days but will be checking in...& we can talk if you think it'll help smile.gif

and I still have a Pio crt-rptv in a room with nothing connected. moved it there just to get it out of the way when the kuro arrived smile.gif it uses DVI unfortunately, I bought it 1 year b4 the HDMI models (sigh)

can an HDMI extender work with HDMI on 1 end & DVI on the other? I wonder...it definitely had a distance limitation - 12 meters video no problem, 15 meters, green speckles. The DVI switcher I used acted as a booster to regen the signal but even then max distance was fixed. if I ever got motivated (off my can wink.gif) I was going to get a component video distribution amp for cable, then run a comp vid, IR jack & cable & DVI-HDMI cable up to it. even talked to a handyman who was going to measure, cut the wall outlets & fish the cables. but I never did redface.gif we don't have analog cable anymore at all, Comcast completely removed all analog channels & the TV has no ASTC tuner, so no need for coax - I was going to run it too but now...no point.

can this be part of an overall matrix -extender plan? That would make the whole thing come together.

let's talk! I'm pretty good as this stuff but clearly not as far along the path of integrating all this as you, it's not even a handicapped race smile.gif
post #177 of 1835
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Steve-
I'm keeping the Susano in the HT room driving my MK-150s x5 with Velo DD 12+ just fine (Pio 141 is the display)

good man smile.gif
keep us posted when you get the 68 and how you like it...like me you'll have an excellent comparison biggrin.gif
post #178 of 1835
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It's good to see you stay in the Pioneer Camp. The Denon 4311/Audyssey camp had become so strong that it seemed most features of the Pioneer were dismissed out of hand as inconsequential or marketing only. At least we'll have some discussion about the merits now.

thanks, mo - appreciate it. It was starting to get lonely in these parts wink.gif
post #179 of 1835
@steve...

you've got pm... smile.gif
post #180 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

@steve...
you've got pm... smile.gif

got it - reply sent smile.gif and thanks!
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