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post #1501 of 1835
Thanks for both of your replies, Jon and Steve.

I reason I asked about AK vs. ESS is because I am thinking about getting an OPPO 103. I was thinking if I would regret in the future for not going for an 105. I don't think I'd need a 105 only because SC-68 already has a DAC. I'd be interested to know if you hear a difference between AK and ESS.
post #1502 of 1835
If you are serious about listening to two-channel music, you have to get the Oppo BDP-105 over the BDP-103. The analog out on the 105 is better than the 103. If you are going to connect only via the HDMI cable, then the difference is moot.

If Pioneer (& Yamaha as well) is upgrading to the ESS DACs on their TOTL AVRs, that should speak volumes about how good the ESS DACs are...
post #1503 of 1835
One thing to remember is that if you use room correction (Multi-Channel Acoustic Calibration System, MCACC), arguably one of the biggest benefits of modern processors, correction is performed digitally so you would still be using the DACs in the AVR.

I cannot speak to the higher-end Oppo units. I could not tell the difference between HDMI and analog outputs (except for the start-up lag) on my old BDP-83 and Pioneer SC-27.
post #1504 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

I am experiencing an odd issue with my SC-67... I am using an Oppo BDP-83SE in HDMI input 3. It has been working fine all this time until last week. When I play DVDs, there is a handshaking issue. The screen will blank out several times during the first minute or so. There is no issues with the audio, I can hear it throughout the blanking times. Note that this is only with DVDs, there is no problem with Blu-Rays.

I have changed the HDMI cable and the problem remains. I have plugged the Oppo directly to the display and there is no issue. I changed the Oppo to HDMI port 4 and the problem disappears, so it seems that HDMI port 3 is the issue. Any ideas?

BTW: I have already done the following on the Oppo:
1. cleared persistent memory
2. changed DVD output from 1080P to native (480i)
3. disabled 24fps in DVD mode, set DVD ot 60fps
4. disabled HDMI control

Weird... I plugged the Oppo 83 into HDMI port 4 and everything is fine. I plug different players (Pioneer BDP-09 and Oppo 95) into port 3, and no issues.
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post #1506 of 1835
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Can anyone recommend the SC-68 for me?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478043/help-me-choose-a-7-channel-avr/0_60#post_23445828
If they will run the 205 KEF's with no problem they will run your M&K's and yes if you look at Home Theater Magazine's review it has quite capable output in a 4ohm load and being THX certified means it should play nice down to 3.2 ohm besides being approved by Air Studios for conveying a clean sound go for it.
post #1507 of 1835
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Can anyone recommend the SC-68 for me?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478043/help-me-choose-a-7-channel-avr/0_60#post_23445828

oink, sorry I missed your post.
yes, I can recommend the 68 also, since I own one and have been using it for nearly a yr wink.gif and I'm a long term Pioneer owner of several of their past flagship receivers, incl the grand-daddy SC-09TX which I still own & is part of my system.

although, you may want to hold off a month or so & wait for the upcoming SC-79 replacement. I also see you've been interested in the Denon 4520. Both the 68 & 4520 will be excellent AVR's, just depends on what unique features, like Pioneer's async USB-DAC, or Audyssey vs Pioneer's MCACC, you may prefer.

if you have specific questions, fire away smile.gif
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post #1509 of 1835
Thread Starter 
^^
thanks smile.gif
I've been checking their site but no links yet. good find!

interesting...on the SC-79, looks like to make room for the 9th HDMI input, the zone 4 HDMI output connector was relocated next to the new HDBase T connector where the multichannel analog in's used to be...no more multichannel analogs. making way for the new.

another interesting point on the SC-79. spec sheet says 11 speaker "patterns". I wonder what that means. could be just a reference to the 11 terminals or could it mean another speaker configuration option? manual time...wink.gif

looks more more robust DSD & DSD file support.

should be an interesting new model smile.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 6/20/13 at 3:22pm
post #1510 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
thanks smile.gif
I've been checking their site but no links yet. good find!

interesting...on the SC-79, looks like to make room for the 9th HDMI input, the zone 4 HDMI output connector was relocated next to the new HDBase T connector where the multichannel analog in's used to be...no more multichannel analogs. making way for the new.

another interesting point on the SC-79. spec sheet says 11 speaker "patterns". I wonder what that means. could be just a reference to the 11 terminals or could it mean another speaker configuration option? manual time...wink.gif

looks more more robust DSD & DSD file support.

should be an interesting new model smile.gif

No problem, I thought you for one would be interested in seeing them. I did see a new European model that does still have the multichannel analog inputs (SC-LX87 I think it was) which I thought was weird that pioneer did not offer at least one upper US model with them since they are already have one designed and in production in other regions.
post #1511 of 1835
Nice and thanks.
post #1512 of 1835
Thread Starter 
saw some Pioneer Asia youtubes -

AVNavigator 2013 will install on Mac's (IIRC, AVNAv 2012 was Win only)

several others, including the 2013 Audio Scaler (192khz/32 bit upsampling + digital filter)

what's unclear is if digital filters are still selectable & how many are available now it's selectable & 3 of them. hopefully, users can still choose, because I thought that was a nice touch...it's very subtle but there is a difference, depending on how good your room acoustics & resolving your speakers are wink.gif I wouldn't expect much difference if using some lifestyle cubes wink.gif

vids can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOfcePiBykU
post #1513 of 1835
Hello?
Anybody?
Reposting main issues!!!

I got the SC LX76(US equivalent to the SC67) about a month ago and have a few issues to sort out.
1. There seems to be an HDMI issue when I switch only to the satellite receiver. If I watch any other input on the receiver even for a few minutes then switch to the satellite receiver, no signal is detected. I have to switch off the satellite receiver and switch it back on. The satellite receiver is a HD receiver. As per Pioneer support, I've even tried keeping the Video Parameter resolution set to Auto on the Pio receiver but with no effect.
2. The thing I am most disappointed about is the audio clarity. Even after running MCACC several times, there is a lack of audio clarity especially with music sources. Even my SACD's seem to have lost some of their openess! The clairty is in comparison to my previous AVR a Denon 3312.
The local Pioneer support has so far not provided any helpful suggestions.
Have I got a damaged unit?
post #1514 of 1835
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Klinsmann View Post

Have I got a damaged unit?

doubtful

1st, you realize that cable/sat boxes have the worst track record for HDMI compatibility? it's luck of the draw. if you're having problems with it, you can try changing

cables, shorter cable length (especially if > 15 ft), use a different HDMI input on the receiver, change the order that you turn things on, or try turning the Video Processor OFF. other than that, you are at the mercy of how well the chipset in the sat receiver works with the Pioneer. I almost always suggest not using HDMI for cable/sat boxes but use component video & optical...it just works, no hassles.

2nd, how did you use the mic when running the calibration? you should have put it on a tripod sitting in the seat at about the same height as your head would be, with a clear line of sight to all speakers, no obstructions, with the mic tip aimed directly at the ceiling, not tilted forward or back. short of using a tripod or mic stand, you could place it on the seat back. get out of the way of the mic when playing test tones, even better get out of the room. if you came from Audyssey it may be a little different.

3rd, you can copy the 1-3 MCACC presets (Symmetry, All Ch Adjust, Front Aligned) to 4-6 presets, by using Data Copy. then go into each one & manually tweak the freq bands to taste (adjusting MCACC manually is in the manual). if your clarity is "lacking", you can try the mid to upper mid range freq bands, and even the upper bass bands (125, 250) to see if clarity improves. bass can certainly dominate over mids and make the overall sound less clear if upper bass is too much. tweaking the EQ manually is certainly something you couldn't do with Audyssey & is one advantage of Pioneer's system, even if it can't EQ subs (yet). you can also try turning Standing Wave filter & Phase Control off and see how that changes the sound.

4th, if dialog is too soft in the mix, again you can go into the Manual settings & give the center channel level a little boost.

5th, you can use the icontrol app to tweak the EQ,

while it's possible yours is "damaged" it's highly unlikely since MCACC does work and you're just not used to the way it sounds.

Pioneer has had compatibility issues with DirectTV in previous models, and I'm sure they are not unique in this. you could try swapping units with your dealer. but in the end, if it doesn't work well with your sat box, you should go back to component video & dig audio. I'm a firm believer in taking the path of least resistance with cable/sat tuners. you don't need 1080p and certainly are not going to get hi-rez audio from them so don't NEED HDMI. HDMI can be a flaky interface.
Edited by ss9001 - 6/24/13 at 6:07am
post #1515 of 1835
I am getting a bit concerned about my SC-67... My Oppo BDP-83SE was having video dropouts on HDMI input 3. After upgrading the Oppo to a BDP-95 the issues went away, or so I thought. Now my Pioneer BDDP-09 which is plugged in HDMI input 1 is experiencing the same issues. The video would drop out. Audio would be still be okay but the image disappears. I never had this issue with my previous Onkyo TX-NR906.

The Pioneer SC-67 always had very slow handshaking with all my HDMI stuff. The Onkyo would display images in a couple of seconds. The Pioneer SC-67 takes more like 5-10 seconds. For example, when watching a Paramount or Fox Blu-Ray disc, I would hear the audio a few seconds before the splash screen appears. Do other owners have the slow handshaking as well?
post #1516 of 1835
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Originally Posted by 67 - 427 View Post

Heres the new sc-75 - sc-79 spec sheets if anybody is interested, also posted these in 2013 pioneer receiver thread

I've started an SC-75/77/79 anticipation thread here: Pioneer Elite SC-75/77/79 Anticipation Thread. I put money down on an SC-67 about an hour before I read the news release about the new receivers, so I got my money back and I am waiting for the new units to arrive.
post #1517 of 1835
Guys,
Has anyone of you tried or heard partnering your SC-68 with Emotiva Power Amp?
How was it?
Im thinking of getting the XPA5 smile.gif
post #1518 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Louie_18 View Post

Guys,
Has anyone of you tried or heard partnering your SC-68 with Emotiva Power Amp?
How was it?
Im thinking of getting the XPA5 smile.gif

I would not touch emotiva with a 10 feet poll
post #1519 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I would not touch emotiva with a 10 feet poll

Why is that bro?
Care to share your experience... Thanks smile.gif
post #1520 of 1835
Since the amp section is anything but weak in a 68 don't know why you would want to.
post #1521 of 1835
In my experience with adding an XPA-3 (200 watts) to my older Elite VSX-49TX (130 watts), I found absolutely no noticable change in sound. My speakers are rated 88-90db efficient and the Elite powers them fine. I still used the XPA-3 for several years and when I had to disconnect it, I still could not detect any change. As oztech said, the Class-D amps in the SC-68 are very powerful for a receiver. I always recommend if possible to borrow an amp froma friend/dealer to try for yourself as to wether you will benefit from adding more wattage. In regards to power, you really need to double or more the wattage of your current receiver to really get any benefit from increased sound levels.

As to the Emotiva amps, they work fine at a nice price point. I have no reservations recommending their amplifiers. Pre-pros are another issue at this time.
I have had great support from them. Only serious issue for you in the Philippines is the cost of transportation/shipping. If you had a unit arrive with problems, it could get expensive fast to return it. No manufacturer is perfect but if you do order from Emotiva, I would sure ask them to do a final bench function test prior to shipment.
post #1522 of 1835
Question on Power sources. The Elite series of Pioneer seems one of the most highly rated. These are expensive if purchased from any of the European online retailers but quite reasonable if purchased in the US and shipped(actually cheaper even with the shipping charges). The power input in the US is 110v and here is 230v. A convertor would be the simple to use but is there a way to change the power from 110v to 230v internally on the receiver itself? My current setup has converted US components (Subwoofers and Bluray player) which could be converted internally.
post #1523 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

doubtful

1st, you realize that cable/sat boxes have the worst track record for HDMI compatibility? it's luck of the draw. if you're having problems with it, you can try changing

while it's possible yours is "damaged" it's highly unlikely since MCACC does work and you're just not used to the way it sounds.
.

Appreciate the suggestions.
The Sat box connectivity still wont work. It's frustrating since it works fine if that's what I start at Power-up but the moment I switch between components its lost the signal. I use a short cable - 6 ft. I've tried different cables and HDMI inputs as well. As there are several HD channels, using component video doesn't give the same picture quality.
Tried all suggestions for the audio with marginal difference. Audio clarity is still an issue. I've had a Pioneer receiver for over 8 years, so am used to the sound. Its only in the interim 6 months that I had a Denon as this Pioneer unit was not available and had to be specially ordered.
Local Pioneer do not keep the higher end models in stock so cant swap and check.
post #1524 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Louie_18 View PostWhy is that bro? Care to share your experience... Thanks smile.gif

Sent you a pm, you' can't bad mouth E..... on this site!!!!

post #1525 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

I am getting a bit concerned about my SC-67... My Oppo BDP-83SE was having video dropouts on HDMI input 3. After upgrading the Oppo to a BDP-95 the issues went away, or so I thought. Now my Pioneer BDDP-09 which is plugged in HDMI input 1 is experiencing the same issues. The video would drop out. Audio would be still be okay but the image disappears. I never had this issue with my previous Onkyo TX-NR906.

The Pioneer SC-67 always had very slow handshaking with all my HDMI stuff. The Onkyo would display images in a couple of seconds. The Pioneer SC-67 takes more like 5-10 seconds. For example, when watching a Paramount or Fox Blu-Ray disc, I would hear the audio a few seconds before the splash screen appears. Do other owners have the slow handshaking as well?

I guess my Pioneer is going into the shop... My Denon DVD-3930 will not output any audio via HDMI... I connected it to my TV and the audio is fine... There is something definitely not kosher with the unit...
post #1526 of 1835
Thread Starter 
^^
hopefully it won't take them long to fix it. keep us posted smile.gif
post #1527 of 1835
I called the local service center. They said to hold on to it while they order the parts.

Another anomaly. I have the Denon DVD player connected to HDMI input 1. If I have the projector connected to HDMI Out 1, I get video but no sound when the HDMI out 1 or both HDMI outs enabled. If i enable HDMI out 2 only (HDMI Out 1 is disabled), I do get sound, but of course, no picture since the projector is still connected to out port 1.

Conversely, if I connect the projector to out 2, and with both ports enabled, I get picture but no sound. HDMI out 2 enabled and 1 disabled, picture but no sound. HDMI out 1 enabled and 2 disabled, I get sound but no picture.

So basically, the Pioneer will output sound from the HDMI input if no HDMI video is output. As soon as I connect a video display on the HDMI out, sound disappears...
Edited by Jon S - 7/7/13 at 1:25pm
post #1528 of 1835
I'm curious if anyone is using the 68 itself to biamp speakers? The reason I ask is that I currently have the 68 and are using two Pioneer Elite M 90s to biamp and power my Klipsch epic cf 3s. I'm trying to pare down my equipment, so my question is would I be losing much by using the 68 to biamp vs the two separate amps? The 68 powers everything else in my 9.2 system.
post #1529 of 1835
Are you currently biamping with an active XO. If not, then there is little benefit from doing it. I have used horizontal, vertical bi-amping without and active XO and did not find any real benefit. I have also found very little to no benefit to biwiring. For a bigger bang for the buck, use SB speakers , add a 2nd zone or get a bigger subwoofer, lol.. Feeding a full signal to the HF and LF driver is a waste of one amp. For example, around 300 Hz the power distribution is fairly even between the HF and LF but the lower the frequency goes, the power distribution can change to 95% LF and 5% HF. The unused power to the HF is dissipated in the xo networks. This is part of the reason people use low watt tube amps for HF and SS for LF drivers. Avr's offer the biamp function and multiple xo's due to consumer demand and not because it is the best thing to do..
Edited by derrickdj1 - 7/7/13 at 10:02pm
post #1530 of 1835
I'm using the passive crossovers in the speakers. I do feel there is a difference with biamping I'm just trying to get a consensus on whether I'd be downgrading by using the amps in the 68 vs. the M 90's.
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