that is wrong, TK, sorry.
Originally Posted by TK-713
it's strange THX ULTRA 2 is missing, I have the mode on my sc09tx and it does more then boundary gain compensation. It takes a 5.1 source like dts master 5.1 and sends it 7.1 with Asa for the rear speakers. I too have a complet thx setup and all the new recievers like onkyo and integra have it. It's like pioneer left it out.
both THX Ultra 2 Plus certified. do you see Ultra 2 Cinema? No.
and you are also wrong about THX Cinema not having the other THX processing. it does, including ASA, BGC, Re-Equalization, Timbre Matching. suggest you re-read THX information about THX processing on their web site. and while you're at it, read a new Pioneer manual
there's still a setting for ASA speaker distance, has been in every model since the SC-09, including the SC-68 and new 70 series.
we've had this conversation before in posts & PM's and you just haven't accepted that no one has a special Ultra 2 mode anymore.
THX certification now is about adding THX Cinema to Dolby & DTS processing. the only difference I could tell in hours of internet searching is that Ultra2 created 7 out of 5 channels on its own. that doesn't mean THX Cinema doesn't have ASA. maybe at one time, there was a distinction, but not true now. THX Cinema adds all the processing technologies on top of PLIIx/z and NeoX. suggest you read this:
plus, you can still specify a blend by the speaker setting in Pioneer's setup menu by 1) setting ASA distance, and 2) your selection of Side or Rear for the surround speaker positioning. It will blend between the 2 rears & between sides & rears, according to those settings.
Suggest you move on past what our SC-09's had and accept what's available now from everybody
the only companies even bothering with THX certification at all are Pioneer, Onkyo/Integra, Anthem in their $9000 processor only, not their receivers. Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Rotel have all dropped doing it. Hi-end processors from Classe, ADA, Datasat...none of them bother with it.
I've spent much time trying to learn what differences, if any, exist between THX Cinema and THX Ultra2 Cinema. You know what? I couldn't find ANY definitive answer except
Ultra 2 creating 7 channel sound on its own.not even THX's web site even refers to a mode called Ultra 2 Cinema anymore.
THX creating 7 ch out of 5 is outdated with 9 & 11 channel surround processing & superceded by adding THX Cinema on top of Dolby & DTS processing. Since all Ultra 2 mode could do was create 7 channels, it's useless for 9 & 11 channel systems, and that's probably one of the reasons why THX no longer even refers to it. and the embedded code in all DSP's used today in receivers probably no longer has the code activated for it if it has the code at all.
suggest you read this from the Anthem Statement D2 manual:
The ONLY difference between what was called THX Ultra 2 Cinema and THX Cinema is synthesizing 7 channels out of 5. it was alternative to std Dolby PLIIx and DTS Neo6, with some blending between the surrounds & rears. that is all it did differently/
. while you may like that blending effect. not many seem to care anymore since all the surround processing is more advanced with more channels now.
and the only reason Anthem still has it in their D2v prepro is they haven't changed processors since it was introduced! it's still the same DSP, even with the latest FW, latest 3D upgrades. don't change the chip = no change in processing modes. it also won't do heights/wides either. if they ever came out with a model with 9/11 channel processing, my bet is U2 will be gone.Pioneer hasn't left out anything
. the embedded code for decoding & processing is all done by the mfgs of the DSP (digital signal processors) from companies like TI, Motorola, Analog Devices (Sharc). Company pays for THX certification, the code is enabled in FW. If you want to blame someone from losing Ultra 2 mode, blame the DSP mfg's & THX - they are the ones who seem to deem it irrelevant
when you add THX Cinema in a Pioneer or Onkyo receiver, you will be adding ASA, BGC, Re-EQ & Timbre Matching. that is part of the THX Cinema mode.
time to get in the present, TK Edited by ss9001 - 7/27/13 at 11:05am