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post #1591 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Louie_18 View Post

If we will use an external power amp, is the Pioneer SC-68 capable of outputting both Front Height and Wides at the same time(like having 11.1 set up)?

no

preamp outputs are based & limited to the speaker configuration choices, which are 9 channels only. you can't have FH/FW at same time even with ext amps. you can have rears + heights, rears + wides, but not heights + wides + no rears. this is not an 11.1 receiver.

for more info, check the manual.
post #1592 of 1835
I posted this in the 2-channel thread as well, but I thought I'd get a perspective from SC-68 owners as well....

Hi guys, not afraid to admit that I'm a total noob when it comes to DAC's. First off here's the equipment I have to work with; Pioneer Elite SC-68, NAD M25 amp, OPPO 93. I heard that the SC-68 has a DAC but I'm not sure how I should be using it. Right now I have my music on my iPod touch ripped from CD's in ALAC and stream it through Airplay to the SC-68. My computer is pretty far from my receiver but using a USB cable is still doable if I get a long cable I guess. Would I get improved sound connecting the PC to the DAC over using Airplay from my iPod ? Is connecting the PC to the receiver's DAC the only way to do this, or can I use some sort of external drive instead ? Just trying to find out the best way to do this with getting the best sound. The equipment is also out of the listening room and in a closet directly outside of the room. I also have an old laptop I guess I could use, but I don't think it has the best sound card. Does it even make a difference since it's going from USB anyways ? Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to figure out a good setup to listen to my music smile.gif
post #1593 of 1835
For those interested in navigating the Pioneer Elite Limited Warranty process here is an update on the saga of getting my SC-67 repaired. If you feel like the Authorized Pioneer repair shop isn't on top of your repair or you suspect shading dealings Pioneer will issue you a case number. They told me it would take 3-5 business days for them to look into the situation. I called today to check on my case because I had not heard back from them in over a week. As I suspected not much to report, because no shop on this planet is going to admit to allowing repair techs to take random bits from other people's stereos as donor parts and trying to repair your elite receiver. Pioneer did say they would try to order a replacement board, but it was on back order. If I understood correctly the person I spoke to handling the case was going to order the board because the repair shop had not. Has there been a lot of reported HDMI failures on the SC-67/68 units for Pioneer to be short on parts? My confidence in this warranty repair debacle is at an all time low given the amount of time and effort on my part it is taking to get it handled correctly. The bigger issue at this point is that my unit has been moved to the bottom of the queue at the repair place and I don't think they care what Pioneer does externally with the parts issue based on my phone call with them. They let me know today that the tech had other units to finish and would get back to mine sometime next week, to evaluate replacement parts. Pioneer has some major challenges ahead for itself if they can't come up with a way to give a consistent warranty service to all customers. I hope others have had better experiences than this or better yet I hope y'all get many years of great audio and video out or your SC-68/67 and don't ever need to exercise Pioneer's very "limited warranty" (emphasis on limited).mad.gif

UPDATE: Thanks to the amazing community here at AVS. A member here that works at Pioneer was able to help get this situation back on track and get a refurbished unit sent out. It just proves what a great community this is.
Edited by daedalusen - 8/1/13 at 5:01pm
post #1594 of 1835
Out of curiosity. Does anyone else think that the HDMI handshaking on the Pioneers are slow? When I play any movie, the video appears a few seconds after the audio appears. For example, when playing Paramount movies, i hear the opening logo swoosh and by the time the Paramount mountain appears, the logo starts to fade off...

This happens whether i use either my Pioneer BDP-09FD or my Oppo BDP-95 with a JVC RS-1 projector. When bypassing the receiver, the video displays immediately. My previous Onkyo was a lot faster.
post #1595 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

Out of curiosity. Does anyone else think that the HDMI handshaking on the Pioneers are slow? When I play any movie, the video appears a few seconds after the audio appears. For example, when playing Paramount movies, i hear the opening logo swoosh and by the time the Paramount mountain appears, the logo starts to fade off...

This happens whether i use either my Pioneer BDP-09FD or my Oppo BDP-95 with a JVC RS-1 projector. When bypassing the receiver, the video displays immediately. My previous Onkyo was a lot faster.

What receiver do you use?
post #1596 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

This happens whether i use either my Pioneer BDP-09FD or my Oppo BDP-95 with a JVC RS-1 projector. When bypassing the receiver, the video displays immediately. My previous Onkyo was a lot faster.

when you go directly to the PJ, you are making a 1 hop handshake on the video side, from HDMI transmitter chip > HDMI receiver chip

when you go thru the AVR, you have 2 hops, obviously, using the AVR as a sink and re-transmitter. you also have the receiver's Qdeo chip video processor in the circuit path if you leave the Video Converter on. HDMI transmitter > HDMI receiver > Qdeo chip > HDMI tranmitter > HDMI receiver (PJ). there is latency involved in each step plus the receiver transmitter has to re-encrypt the signal while your direct path doesn't.

my guess is that if you turn off the Video Converter (not needed anyway for BD HDMI & a PJ), then you could see a slight speed-up and video appearance. whether it's noticeable or not for your PJ setup I wouldn't know wink.gif also I have never used an Onkyo so can't compare, but did the Onkyo have a built-in video processor and did you leave it on?

I leave the Video Converter off in both my SC-09 and SC-68 and notice no lag between video & audio going thru either AVR, from both Pioneer BDP-09 or Oppo 93 players to a Pio Kuro plasma. when video comes on, so does the audio, never noticed one before the other.

YMMV. worth a try. but in the end, it is what it is smile.gif
post #1597 of 1835
I am using a SC-67... I do not have video conrter on... it is off.
post #1598 of 1835
The remote for my SC-67 isn't working. Is there a chance I have hit the wrong buttons changing the programming on it? If so, how can I get it back online and working again?
post #1599 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Goalline View Post

The remote for my SC-67 isn't working. Is there a chance I have hit the wrong buttons changing the programming on it? If so, how can I get it back online and working again?
Sometimes just opening the battery door and re-installing the batteries may do the trick.
post #1600 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Goalline View Post

The remote for my SC-67 isn't working. Is there a chance I have hit the wrong buttons changing the programming on it? If so, how can I get it back online and working again?

There is a remote control setting in set up where you can change the remote from 1 to 4. If you set it to anything other than 1 it will not work I believe.
I would think you need to go into the menu through the front of the unit and manually change it back to 1 if that's what happened.
post #1601 of 1835
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Originally Posted by daedalusen View Post

For those interested in navigating the Pioneer Elite Limited Warranty process here is an update on the saga of getting my SC-67 repaired. If you feel like the Authorized Pioneer repair shop isn't on top of your repair or you suspect shading dealings Pioneer will issue you a case number. They told me it would take 3-5 business days for them to look into the situation. I called today to check on my case because I had not heard back from them in over a week. As I suspected not much to report, because no shop on this planet is going to admit to allowing repair techs to take random bits from other people's stereos as donor parts and trying to repair your elite receiver. Pioneer did say they would try to order a replacement board, but it was on back order. If I understood correctly the person I spoke to handling the case was going to order the board because the repair shop had not. Has there been a lot of reported HDMI failures on the SC-67/68 units for Pioneer to be short on parts? My confidence in this warranty repair debacle is at an all time low given the amount of time and effort on my part it is taking to get it handled correctly. The bigger issue at this point is that my unit has been moved to the bottom of the queue at the repair place and I don't think they care what Pioneer does externally with the parts issue based on my phone call with them. They let me know today that the tech had other units to finish and would get back to mine sometime next week, to evaluate replacement parts. Pioneer has some major challenges ahead for itself if they can't come up with a way to give a consistent warranty service to all customers. I hope others have had better experiences than this or better yet I hope y'all get many years of great audio and video out or your SC-68/67 and don't ever need to exercise Pioneer's very "limited warranty" (emphasis on limited).mad.gif

UPDATE: Thanks to the amazing community here at AVS. A member here that works at Pioneer was able to help get this situation back on track and get a refurbished unit sent out. It just proves what a great community this is.[/qu


hello,
i have not looked at this forum in some time.
just came across this post.
I tried asking questions about my issue some time ago and really did not get anything.
My Pion. SC 67 was not showing signal from my BR player.
Tried three different HDMI cables and another BR player.
Nothing !
I tried everything and then had it sent to service facility in Chino Ca.
I spoke to they numerous times on the phone.
They found no issueI picked it up from BB and bought it home.
When I opened the box I found the front door to be broken.Am sending it back ASAP.
I found the service most helpful but some how it ws broken I think when it was packed for shipping.
Receiver was purchased Oct 2012.

So far I m mostly pleased with service facility and my warranty.

mr panda
post #1602 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

when you go directly to the PJ, you are making a 1 hop handshake on the video side, from HDMI transmitter chip > HDMI receiver chip

when you go thru the AVR, you have 2 hops, obviously, using the AVR as a sink and re-transmitter. you also have the receiver's Qdeo chip video processor in the circuit path if you leave the Video Converter on. HDMI transmitter > HDMI receiver > Qdeo chip > HDMI tranmitter > HDMI receiver (PJ). there is latency involved in each step plus the receiver transmitter has to re-encrypt the signal while your direct path doesn't.

my guess is that if you turn off the Video Converter (not needed anyway for BD HDMI & a PJ), then you could see a slight speed-up and video appearance. whether it's noticeable or not for your PJ setup I wouldn't know wink.gif also I have never used an Onkyo so can't compare, but did the Onkyo have a built-in video processor and did you leave it on?

I leave the Video Converter off in both my SC-09 and SC-68 and notice no lag between video & audio going thru either AVR, from both Pioneer BDP-09 or Oppo 93 players to a Pio Kuro plasma. when video comes on, so does the audio, never noticed one before the other.

YMMV. worth a try. but in the end, it is what it is smile.gif
h

HELLO SS901,
I have always had my video converter turned off.
I did send my 67 back and they found no issue.
Now it is working perfectly except for the broken door issue.
But I think there is some sort of handshake issue going on.It started doing same thing on other HDMI outputs.
But now all is well.
I really hate to have to send it back but they need to replace the door.

mr panda
post #1603 of 1835
How do you turn off the video converter on the Pioneer, i could not find any reference to it in the manual.

I found out if I changed my Oppo settings from auto HDMI to fixed (1080P, bitstream), handshaking was notably faster...
post #1604 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

How do you turn off the video converter on the Pioneer, i could not find any reference to it in the manual.

I found out if I changed my Oppo settings from auto HDMI to fixed (1080P, bitstream), handshaking was notably faster...

I think it's the option called V.Conv in the video parameters.
post #1605 of 1835
Thread Starter 
^^
correct smile.gif

Jon S:
it's in the manual. try table of contents: Ch 9, Using Other Functions, "Setting the Video Options", pg 79 wink.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 8/5/13 at 11:45am
post #1606 of 1835
Thanks... I was looking for it in the setup menu...
post #1607 of 1835
Thanks Dreux, Ozrech. I think the remote is dead. It won't even light up when I hit that button.
post #1608 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Goalline View Post

Thanks Dreux, Ozrech. I think the remote is dead. It won't even light up when I hit that button.

You may have to buy one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Original-Pioneer-AXD7668-SC-65-SC-67-SC-68-SC-1522-SC-1522-K-SC-1527-SC-15-/231018181306?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item35c9c1b2ba
post #1609 of 1835
Before you buy a new remote, have you tried iControlAV2012? If not, it's free from Pioneer and available to Apple and Andriod platforms. It's wifi based, so you can control from anywhere in your network without needing a line of sight to your receiver. There is a older version and a newer version, but for sc-67/68 you need the 2012 version. You get to see the whole screen of settings on your platform vs. one line at a time via the receiver display or the need to turn on your TV. It doesn't cover all the remote functions but enough for the common ones. Give it a try and I believe you'll like it.
post #1610 of 1835
Anyone using anything as a wireless client other than the AS-WL300? Any advantages to the AS-WL300 other than being able to use the DC USB output to power it?
post #1611 of 1835
I love iControlAV, but as you have acknowledged, it doesn't cover everything the remote does. I think it is covered by warranty so I shouldn't have to buy a new one. Thanks for your help, folks.
post #1612 of 1835
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Anyone using anything as a wireless client other than the AS-WL300? Any advantages to the AS-WL300 other than being able to use the DC USB output to power it?


Pioneer AS-WL300 costs $149 at Amazon as of today which is too expensive. I've been using a Netgear WNCE2001 which has been very stable and reliable to me. I keep it on all the time using a power adapter, even though it can be powered by USB. I get no problem playing Pandora or 2CH hi-rez over DLNA. However, I get lags/drops when playing 5.1CH hi-rez over DLNA and I believe my wireless network is the culprit (either my router or WNCE2001). Netgear WNCE3001, TRENDnet TEW-680MB or ASUS EA-N66 are newer models and should be better but I've not tried.
post #1613 of 1835
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Originally Posted by soniky View Post

Pioneer AS-WL300 costs $149 at Amazon as of today which is too expensive. I've been using a Netgear WNCE2001 which has been very stable and reliable to me. I keep it on all the time using a power adapter, even though it can be powered by USB. I get no problem playing Pandora or 2CH hi-rez over DLNA. However, I get lags/drops when playing 5.1CH hi-rez over DLNA and I believe my wireless network is the culprit (either my router or WNCE2001). Netgear WNCE3001, TRENDnet TEW-680MB or ASUS EA-N66 are newer models and should be better but I've not tried.

I use a TRENDnet 300 Mbps Wireless N 4-Port Media Bridge.

It's about $55 from Amazon.

It has 4 ports so I can plug in multiple devices into the single bridge.

So far, it has worked well for me. Zero issues.

Jack
post #1614 of 1835
^ Thanks! I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing any unique features on the Pioneer unit. I'm not sure the WPS security would work with my home wi-fi system anyway. I looked at the Netgear WNCE2001 and was considering it using the USB power port. However I found that it is documented for 1 amp current using USB, where the USB power port on my new receiver is marked for a maximum of .6 amps. So I ended up getting a new Apple Airport Express for the job. I have an old Airport Express that I intended to use, but because it was first generation the client function on it did not include the ethernet port.
post #1615 of 1835
Pioneer 68 DAC should provide wider frequency response and higher dynamic range. Pioneer dealer recommended also. Plugged my Mac Mini into it and love the sound. My Mac Mini sits next to 68. Required pulling another cable for Mac Mini which was a PIA.
post #1616 of 1835
Hello,

I don't post many questions, but I have one today.

Is there any way to get an HDMI output to a TV/Monitor while using the USB-DAC?

I use my PC to source the USB-DAC and I would like to have the PC display through the SC-68. When the SC-68 is switched to USB-CAC the HDMI output turns off.
Any suggestions?

Thanks
post #1617 of 1835
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JoeBoxster View Post

I use my PC to source the USB-DAC and I would like to have the PC display through the SC-68. When the SC-68 is switched to USB-CAC the HDMI output turns off.
Any suggestions?

if you checked pg. 47 in the manual, you'd have the answer -

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

>> no, you can't assign an HDMI input to the USB-DAC.

you *might* be able to rig up some multizone setup using HDMI zone 4 to a 2nd TV in the same room, then select USB-DAC for main zone and HDMI to the 2nd TV in zone 4, which will be the same room.
Edited by ss9001 - 8/11/13 at 10:32am
post #1618 of 1835
Yes, I use a second HDMI port on the TV direct from the PC. I also tried to use Zone 4, but it changes the HDMI signal detection which results in the SC-68 being detected as "Pioneer digital display." This is 2 channel 16/44k and is difficult to reverse; requires reboots and resetting the HDMI detection on the SC-68.

I wanted to have a single input to the tv, so much for a simplified HW architecture.
post #1619 of 1835
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JoeBoxster View Post

I wanted to have a single input to the tv, so much for a simplified HW architecture.

I guess this is one of those "it is what it is" cases smile.gif

at least you have the onboard USB-DAC, since no other AVR has that feature. if you had to get an external DAC for USB input, you'd still have to run HDMI separate to the TV wink.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 8/13/13 at 10:28am
post #1620 of 1835
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Originally Posted by JoeBoxster View Post

Hello,
Is there any way to get an HDMI output to a TV/Monitor while using the USB-DAC?

Joe, may I ask why you want to use usb-dac instead of the audio signal via hdmi? I am trying to come up with a scenario. Audio via usb-dac and video via hdmi seems logical, but the problem is that hdmi also carry the exact same audio.
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