as long as I can have some of the lime kool-aid you're having
Pioneer (US at least) is listening. They have to convince Japan & Japan has to see what it would take. That's all I know All Pioneer fans & ex-fans can do is hope they make it happen.
The sad part is that there are features Pioneer has included that Denon & Onkyo haven't looked at yet and it gets lost in the ongoing sub EQ debate.
Home Theater mentioned the USB-DAC jitter-free feature a number of times in the review, how important it is for highest quality computer audio and how Pioneer is the only company that has ever included this in a receiver. Not one of you former Pio guys picks up on that stuff - all we read is no sub EQ.
At least in this forum, it's looking like Pioneer will need to include sub EQ to satisfy the enthusiasts who've jumped to Audyssey gear if they want to bring them back into the fold. I understand that, I hope they are beginning to
This is my opinion, but if it wasn't for Audyssey, there'd be no really good reason for getting a Denon over a Pioneer. I've looked at the Denon 4520's specs, features & manual. And I would choose the SC-68 over it on features, excluding the Audyssey vs MCACC argument. A 100 mb ethernet hub? Really? When I can buy a 4 port 100 mb hub for <$10. Is that a feature worth bragging about?
Pioneer is still paying attention to having legacy connections; I haven't counted jacks but the Denon rear plate is getting more spacious And there's wasteland appearing on the back of the Onkyo 5010
I'll take the USB-DAC port over the hub, thank you
And I'm liking some of the surround modes Pioneer has added, like Optimum Surround...not sure exactly what it does but it seems to help with older Dolby surround DVD's, increases front-back separation and makes the center less of a point-source.
And you Denon guys better hope D&M Holdings (I mean money-grubbers @ BAIN Capital ) don't decide to make DenonLink an annual hardware refresh just to sell more gear - at least Pioneer grew out of that phase and PQLS is finally a stable no-more-changes "platform" (Pioneer - I sincerely hope so or you will start seeing ugly posts from me again )
Edited by ss9001 - 10/6/12 at 3:11am