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post #481 of 1835
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Originally Posted by iamanaudioho View Post

I am suspecting a leakage of dc. Feel free to chime in.

That was one of the amp protection modes with the Ice amp design: there were several protection modes or errors which could trigger the lockdown indicated by various flashing LED's. Several were detection of high DC current on the amp board, overcurrent in the switch mode power supply, and several others. You could release the lockdown with a reset procedure but I don't know if this still works with the new amp design. I'll try to dig it up for you. It's been posted many times in various threads, SC-05/07, SC-09 and all the following generations.

But your symptoms at a specific spot in the same recording, at what I'd call not unreasonable volume settings, is peculiar. For comparison, my normal volume settings after calibration are more like -12 to -4 db! On both the SC-09 Ice amp receiver and the new SC-68. Magnepans are not very efficient, no doubt much less so than your Apogees or M-L's.

Never heard or even seen Apogees but many planar fans seem to like them smile.gif I used to think these class D amps could drive anything, because a number of Magnepan owners on the MUG forum have & do use Ice amps from a variety of builders, like Wyred4Sound, Gilmore Raptor, etc. However, I don't know how well they work with e-stats. Plus, the amps in the SC-50 & 60 series are not Icepower, they are a chip amp design from International Rectifier. So, I know I'm in un-charted territory with e-stats & these amps. I realize that you took the brunt of the load off the receiver with the McCormack, but the M-L's on the rears still may be too much of a low impedance load even as surrounds. I just don't have a basis of comparison on an all true e-stat speaker setup. All I can tell you is I've never had problems with Magnepans, but I do have the fronts (3.6R's) on an ext amp, with Magnepan surrounds, Magnepan center, and 2 Advent-like bookshelves as rears, all on the receiver and never had a shutdown, from the VSX-49Txi/59txi class A/B receivers to the SC-09 Ice to this SC-68. And I used to run the fronts as Large, so they were trying to reproduce LFE with the subs.

And when I 1st got this SC-68 I wanted to put it thru the torture test so connected the fronts up to it, ran them as Large, and cranked the volume up to as hi as I could stand, pretty darn close to 0 dB on the dial and it handled Dire Straits Brothers in Arms with no problems, including the drum twacks in the 1st song, which I use for transient attack comparisons. It did about the same as my Innersound ESL-300 amp which is 300 wpc 8 ohm / 600 wpc 4 ohm.

do you use 80 hz as your bass mgmt xover or something else lower?

and it's possible that at that specific spot in the music, there's some substantial hi freq transients which result in the M'L's hitting a low impedance dip and that may be causing the receiver amps to draw too much current...triggering the shutdown. I'm guessing...

can you connect up some conventional speakers & try it?

or it really could be defective in some way, hopefully, an auth shop can confirm smile.gif

keep us posted on how this turns out for you smile.gif again, sorry to hear about the problems.
Edited by ss9001 - 11/27/12 at 8:25am
post #482 of 1835
thank you for your input. the apogees are being driven by the mccormack monoblocs. the receiver was still shutting down using internal amps, so it has to be an internal defect. I am taking the receiver to a factory service outlet this afternoon.
post #483 of 1835
Hi, I am considering buying SC-68 as I store all my music on my laptop and it's the only AVR so far that features a direct USB DAC interface. It can connect directly to a USB drive as well.

However, on page 53 of the owner's manual, where it talks about playable file formats, all the music files that it supports are all in "2 ch" only. Does anyone know what does it mean? Does it mean that it won't support 5.1 flac playback or does it downmix?
post #484 of 1835
Hi, another question. Based on the following link, SC-68 supports Apple devices up to iphone 4S and ipad 2 (also stated in the manual). Does anyone know if it would support iphone 5 and the new ipad (aka ipad 3) or not?

http://pioneer.jp/homeav/support/ios/na/search.php?chr=S&lga=en
post #485 of 1835
I have Martin Logan EM-ESLs as my fronts and their Motif center, all of which have an electrostatic panel. I also have four of their FX2 surrounds, but these are not electrostats and simply have two of their air motion transformers each.

All are powered by the SC-68. I can play all channel stereo through all 7 speakers at fairly loud volumes for prolonged lengths of time without anything shutting down. I do, however, cross over to a sub at 80 Hz. -20 is louder than I can tolerate in my small room but I've never had any issues with power.
post #486 of 1835
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

New firmware available:
"Ver 1-198-084-512-125
- Support HTC Connect
- Improve the stability of HDMI connection."
Available for download on the site.. don't know if it is on the net connection yet.

Thanks for posting this!
post #487 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Flash676 View Post

I have Martin Logan EM-ESLs as my fronts and their Motif center, all of which have an electrostatic panel. I also have four of their FX2 surrounds, but these are not electrostats and simply have two of their air motion transformers each.
All are powered by the SC-68. I can play all channel stereo through all 7 speakers at fairly loud volumes for prolonged lengths of time without anything shutting down. I do, however, cross over to a sub at 80 Hz. -20 is louder than I can tolerate in my small room but I've never had any issues with power.

good to know this. thanks!
post #488 of 1835
Just a note about the FW update..

Updated through the internet..

Estimeated it would take 22 minutes..

Was finished in about 5...

Smooth as could be.
post #489 of 1835
Chris and Steve,

I know this is a little off topic, but decided to ask given your broad experience in general and with the forums. I'm having some trouble with my old denon AVR 5600 after I got my 67 up and running. I've been searching for the appropriate denon forum for this, but with no luck. Basically I'm looking for someone local (Boston area or reasonably close) to perform an assessment and repair - based on the estimate - for the 5600. I found a guy in Kansas, but shipping these +50lb beasts long distances is prohibitively expensive. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
post #490 of 1835
^^^

hmmm....

give the guys at "spearit sound" a call... they are in northampton... they might be able to point you to a repair guy who can help... here's the link to their site...

http://www.spearitsound.com/

after that, your best bet would be to check with your local electronics shops (don't forget to check with "real" car audio shops too) to see if someone will take a look at it for you... some of the independent guys are pretty good, and since the 5600 doesn't have a lot of the newfangled stuff, they might be able to figure it out...

closer than kansas for denon shops would be in new jersey, at the main "panurgy" center in new jersey... iirc, they are somewhat backed up now due to the storm, but it wouldn't hurt to give them a call...

hey, if you drive it down to new jersey, i've got a 5800 sitting around doing nothing that needs a new home... tongue.gif
post #491 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
hmmm....
give the guys at "spearit sound" a call... they are in northampton... they might be able to point you to a repair guy who can help... here's the link to their site...
http://www.spearitsound.com/
after that, your best bet would be to check with your local electronics shops (don't forget to check with "real" car audio shops too) to see if someone will take a look at it for you... some of the independent guys are pretty good, and since the 5600 doesn't have a lot of the newfangled stuff, they might be able to figure it out...
closer than kansas for denon shops would be in new jersey, at the main "panurgy" center in new jersey... iirc, they are somewhat backed up now due to the storm, but it wouldn't hurt to give them a call...
hey, if you drive it down to new jersey, i've got a 5800 sitting around doing nothing that needs a new home... tongue.gif
Thanks for the tip - appreciate it.
post #492 of 1835
Yep, the SC-68 only supports 2 channel files via the USB DAC input...

We will be offering a firmware update in December that will add AIFF and Apple Lossless decoding via the USB (Front) input and network connection.

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #493 of 1835
Yes, the SC-68 will support music content playback and navigation of the iPhone 5. It will not support video/photos since Apple has eliminated analog video output from the Lightning Connector.

Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics
post #494 of 1835

I installed updated firmware. How do I find out what the updates are?

post #495 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Walkamo View Post

Yep, the SC-68 only supports 2 channel files via the USB DAC input...
We will be offering a firmware update in December that will add AIFF and Apple Lossless decoding via the USB (Front) input and network connection.
Chris Walker
Pioneer Electronics

What about us Pioneer LX 85 (SC-57) owners?, and any chance getting spotify with a firmware?
post #496 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

I installed updated firmware. How do I find out what the updates are?

Pioneer posts change logs on the product pages for each product..

Pioneer SC 67 Product Page

This update specifically added HTC Connect support and some HDMI stability improvements.
post #497 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Vallhall View Post

any chance getting spotify with a firmware?

+1 on Spotify
post #498 of 1835

Hooked up TY-CC20 Camera to 65" Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT30 . Also connected optical audio TV out to reciver optical 1 TV in on Pioneer Elite SC-67. Have reciver set to CBL/SAT HDMI input 2 and opt 1 for sound. Still not working. HELP!!!! Maybe someone can give me a line by line description as to how they set up and it worked. Camera worked fine when only connected to TV. Now turned TV speakers off and trying to get to work with reciever. Running echo test no picture or sound.

post #499 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Hooked up TY-CC20 Camera to 65" Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT30 . Also connected optical audio TV out to reciver optical 1 TV in on Pioneer Elite SC-67. Have reciver set to CBL/SAT HDMI input 2 and opt 1 for sound. Still not working. HELP!!!! Maybe someone can give me a line by line description as to how they set up and it worked. Camera worked fine when only connected to TV. Now turned TV speakers off and trying to get to work with reciever. Running echo test no picture or sound.
WC,
I don't have experience with this camera setup, but I do have the same TV/AVR setup (VT50 vs 30 but should be comparable) and have experimented with a number of options related to HDMI/audio connections. If I understand correctly, this setup works directly between the TV and camera. If this is so, I would try using an HDMI connection between the ARC enabled slots of the TV and AVR. In theory, this should transmit the audio signal in use at the source of the TV to the receiver. You'll need to enable HDMI in the setup menu of the receiver for the ARC to work, and set the input to TV. Hope this helps and good luck.
post #500 of 1835
If I have the SC-68 and a NAD M25 amp, would I be able to use both in conjunction to make it 11.2 ? What I mean is, would I be able to lets say, power my main 7 channels with the built-in amps in the SC-68 and use the NAD amp for the heights and wide surrounds ? Or do I need another amp to go with my NAD and use the pre-outs?
post #501 of 1835
Thread Starter 
^^
with this generation of Pioneer SC models, you can have heights, wides or backs but not all of them at the same time, even using the preamp outputs. the preamp output is 9.2 not 11.2.

the manual states

"It is not possible to produce sound simultaneously from the front height speakers and the front wide speakers."

The limitation is the speaker setup in the preamp section, which is 9.2 max.

That said, you can connect ext amps to all the channels and select heights one time then wides at another time. But not both at the same time.
Edited by ss9001 - 11/30/12 at 12:03pm
post #502 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
with this generation of Pioneer SC models, you can have heights, wides or backs but not all of them at the same time, even using the preamp outputs. the preamp output is 9.2 not 11.2.
the manual states
"It is not possible to produce sound simultaneously from the front height speakers and the front wide speakers."
The limitation is the speaker setup in the preamp section, which is 9.2 max.
That said, you can connect ext amps to all the channels and select heights one time then wides at another time. But not both at the same time.

How dissapointing and stupid at the same time. You have 11.2 outputs but can really only use 9....thanks for the reply. If I would of known I wouldn't of bought this unit. So since I have my mains (7 channels) through my NAD, can I do just the heights with the receiver?
Edited by Gates - 11/30/12 at 1:51pm
post #503 of 1835
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yes, you can use the receiver to power the added height channels. I am using the 68 in this way, using its amps only for heights, all other channels are sent to amps.

however...on whether you can use wide/ht preamp outs at same time and have them be active at same time...

I have to admit - even tho I am one of the more experienced Pioneer Elite owners on the forum, esp on the SC models, I don't know everything and sometimes I'm wrong redface.gif when I am or when I don't know for sure I'll admit it.

I may have posted too quickly on this redface.gif The vast bulk of my experience is with the former 3 generation of true $4-7K Elite flagships which were 7.2 models. This is my 1st 9.2 model and I based my post on the early models with hts & wides and just recently setting mine up for hts.

Using the internal amps, you cannot have wides & heights at same time. That is a given and has been true for last 2 years.

Using the preamp outs, you may be able to use both, although I'm not 100% sure if they'll won't be active simultaneously. It depends on whether the firmware is based on using the amps as its basis. the manual certainly implies this but I can't test it myself because I don't have or plan to use wides.

I can say that in the setup menu, the FW say Normal in the Speaker Setup menu, and say No in the Speaker Settings sub-menu but they are not greyed out.

and on pg 78 in the manual, for the Speaker Selector button, there is an option for

SP: FH/FW On and it says front height OR front wide will be added up to a max of 9 channels. Further, it says that setting allows the receiver to automatically switch between the 2 depending on the source material. Other SP options are:

SP: FH On
SP: FW On

which are obviously to limit to one or the other. kind of a subtle distinction but FH/FW option does allow all 11 ch's to be used, and the receiver will select which one based on the algorithms in DTS NeoX (PLIIz is obviously height only :smile.gif

on pg 35, in the discussion on connecting ext amps, they do show all 11 can have ext amps. however, I haven't found anything saying definitively if the use is still limited to 9 max at one time. I suspect it is but I'm not 100% sure. When I last talked to Chris Walker, the head of marketing at Pio US, this was 1 question I asked, and I'm pretty sure he confirmed it's 9 ch at one time but I can't place my hands now on my notes from that call. Maybe if he sees your post since he has posted this week, he can confirm.

you have options, and can use the receiver to connect both your heights & wides or use the preamp outs. the receiver won't care either way but you might as well use the receiver for one of the pair smile.gif

try it and see how it works - I am very interested in how this functionality does work since I have no plans to use wides - my choice of speakers makes the use of wides un-important since they would not add anything of usefulness (I use planars which throw a very wide soundstage on their own, I barely have room for heights since they are 6ft tall eek.gif)

keep us posted how you well the auto ht/wide select works...that's interesting and can't recall anyone posting in the 57/55 model thread about it or its effect.
Edited by ss9001 - 11/30/12 at 3:35pm
post #504 of 1835
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

yes, you can use the receiver to power the added height channels. I am using the 68 in this way, using its amps only for heights, all other channels are sent to amps.
however...on whether you can use wide/ht preamp outs at same time and have them be active at same time...
I have to admit - even tho I am one of the more experienced Pioneer Elite owners on the forum, esp on the SC models, I don't know everything and sometimes I'm wrong redface.gif when I am or when I don't know for sure I'll admit it.
I may have posted too quickly on this redface.gif The vast bulk of my experience is with the former 3 generation of true $4-7K Elite flagships which were 7.2 models. This is my 1st 9.2 model and I based my post on the early models with hts & wides and just recently setting mine up for hts.
Using the internal amps, you cannot have wides & heights at same time. That is a given and has been true for last 2 years.
Using the preamp outs, you may be able to use both, although I'm not 100% sure if they'll won't be active simultaneously. It depends on whether the firmware is based on using the amps as its basis. the manual certainly implies this but I can't test it myself because I don't have or plan to use wides.
I can say that in the setup menu, the FW say Normal in the Speaker Setup menu, and say No in the Speaker Settings sub-menu but they are not greyed out.
and on pg 78 in the manual, for the Speaker Selector button, there is an option for
SP: FH/FW On and it says front height OR front wide will be added up to a max of 9 channels. Further, it says that setting allows the receiver to automatically switch between the 2 depending on the source material. Other SP options are:
SP: FH On
SP: FW On
which are obviously to limit to one or the other. kind of a subtle distinction but FH/FW option does allow all 11 ch's to be used, and the receiver will select which one based on the algorithms in DTS NeoX (PLIIz is obviously height only :smile.gif
on pg 35, in the discussion on connecting ext amps, they do show all 11 can have ext amps. however, I haven't found anything saying definitively if the use is still limited to 9 max at one time. I suspect it is but I'm not 100% sure. When I last talked to Chris Walker, the head of marketing at Pio US, this was 1 question I asked, and I'm pretty sure he confirmed it's 9 ch at one time but I can't place my hands now on my notes from that call. Maybe if he sees your post since he has posted this week, he can confirm.
you have options, and can use the receiver to connect both your heights & wides or use the preamp outs. the receiver won't care either way but you might as well use the receiver for one of the pair smile.gif
try it and see how it works - I am very interested in how this functionality does work since I have no plans to use wides - my choice of speakers makes the use of wides un-important since they would not add anything of usefulness (I use planars which throw a very wide soundstage on their own, I barely have room for heights since they are 6ft tall eek.gif)
keep us posted how you well the auto ht/wide select works...that's interesting and can't recall anyone posting in the 57/55 model thread about it or its effect.

Thank you for the reply. I'm checking with my dealer to see if he has my type of speaker in stock (Paradigm Studios) and if he does, I'll pick them up tomorrow. I'll at the very least start with heights directly to the receiver. I have found very little info about these new SC-67/68 Elites on forums (other than a couple of reviews). I'll keep you posted and thank you for the help.
post #505 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Hooked up TY-CC20 Camera to 65" Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT30 .
The TY-CC20 specs say it has a USB output, and that it is compatible with a range of Panasonic TVs. Does the TV's USB connector allow playback of contents from a flash drive? Like AVI movies? If so, does the sound come through the optical? I am assuming the optical output works from the TV tuner just fine, and want to know if it is supposed to work for other sources like USB.
post #506 of 1835
Has anyone had problems getting Pandora to work. All other Internet functions work fine, but when I try to login into Pandora as either a new or existing user I get a "server error" message. Any advice?
post #507 of 1835
post #508 of 1835
Thread Starter 
The news is spreading but just in case a 68 owner missed it -

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Pandora

According to a poster who called Pioneer Tech Support, the FCC mandated Pandora make a change to their method of streaming & Pioneer is working to have a FW update for receivers within about 30 days.

All receiver owners with Pandora connectivity are in the same boat, waiting for their respective company to provide FW update.
post #509 of 1835
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Originally Posted by scbartling View Post

Some points on each receiver (not complete by any stretch). All of these will sound just as good, so it's features/quality/reliability that matter:
- SC-68
- NR5010
- AVR-4520CI
Some of this is my opinion. Don't bother bringing out the flamethrowers, I'm wearing asbestos underwear eek.gif

Cool underwear smile.gif Did you try Marantz 8801? out of the three which one sounds the best
post #510 of 1835
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Cool underwear smile.gif Did you try Marantz 8801? out of the three which one sounds the best

My quess...5010:rolleyes:
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