or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Official Pioneer SC-68/67 Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Pioneer SC-68/67 Thread - Page 18

post #511 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
I think he bought the 4520.
post #512 of 1838

Well I've tried everything I can. Talked with Pioneer and Panasonic support. No luck getting sound out of reciever speakers. I do get sound out of TV. When I load skype (camera) reciever switches off and sound transferes to TV. When I leave skype. Reciever switches back on and goes back to my cable box source. I actually think that's the way is suppose to work. I searched alot of fourms and talking with tech support. Doesn't look like to many people are connecting panasonic camera to viera sets and reciever SC-67 at this time.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman81 View Post


WC,
I don't have experience with this camera setup, but I do have the same TV/AVR setup (VT50 vs 30 but should be comparable) and have experimented with a number of options related to HDMI/audio connections. If I understand correctly, this setup works directly between the TV and camera. If this is so, I would try using an HDMI connection between the ARC enabled slots of the TV and AVR. In theory, this should transmit the audio signal in use at the source of the TV to the receiver. You'll need to enable HDMI in the setup menu of the receiver for the ARC to work, and set the input to TV. Hope this helps and good luck.
post #513 of 1838
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wcmartin View Post

Doesn't look like to many people are connecting panasonic camera to viera sets and reciever SC-67 at this time.

probably right. That is a very specific & narrow application. since no one here can with 100% certainty know how you've got this setup or whether your TV can take a USB input & convert it to standard digital for transfer over its Opt output OR HDMI (ARC channel), it's hard to know if this will ever work the way you'd like.

IMO, if the camera is for skype (I assume for video calls), why is a receiver needed? Is it going to make that much difference to the sound experience from a skype "call" or is the TV sound going to be adequate?

I know I've never tried the camera nor have a Panny TV. If the TV can take the USB input, and convert it over to SPDIF (opt/coax) then it should work. But that's a big if. Maybe the TV converts it to analog and that's it. IMO, you'll need to verify how your TV works with Panasonic.
post #514 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post


probably right. That is a very specific & narrow application. since no one here can with 100% certainty know how you've got this setup or whether your TV can take a USB input & convert it to standard digital for transfer over its Opt output OR HDMI (ARC channel), it's hard to know if this will ever work the way you'd like.
IMO, if the camera is for skype (I assume for video calls), why is a receiver needed? Is it going to make that much difference to the sound experience from a skype "call" or is the TV sound going to be adequate?
I know I've never tried the camera nor have a Panny TV. If the TV can take the USB input, and convert it over to SPDIF (opt/coax) then it should work. But that's a big if. Maybe the TV converts it to analog and that's it. IMO, you'll need to verify how your TV works with Panasonic.

Your correct reciever speakers are not required for sound. Skype camera actually works quite well with TV. There is actually a switching process as well with the reciever I see is working too. I just figured camera would work with reciever and since it hasn't so far it's given me reason to try lol. Over time I may find it does. Just push more bottons and try different things shazam. For now it's fine.

post #515 of 1838
Regarding the latest SC-65-68 receivers will there be an update to support 11 channel decoding for DTS:Neo:X? (Currently it supports 9 channels) Especially with new movies possibly containing this new sound format.
post #516 of 1838
I think that someone asked about the SACD front panel USB input but I'm not certain that I understood the answers given. So, does the USB input create sound that is essentially CD quality (as in the car USB plugins) or do you have to have SACD rips to play back? I was under the impression that the USB slots were purely 2 - channel affairs, am I wrong in this thinking?

Thanks everyone.
post #517 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy786 View Post

Regarding the latest SC-65-68 receivers will there be an update to support 11 channel decoding for DTS:Neo:X? (Currently it supports 9 channels) Especially with new movies possibly containing this new sound format.

nope...

side note: as dts:neo x is a "matrixing" routine, not an "encoding" routine, you'll never see movies containing it... wink.gif
post #518 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkamo View Post

Yep, the SC-68 only supports 2 channel files via the USB DAC input...
We will be offering a firmware update in December that will add AIFF and Apple Lossless decoding via the USB (Front) input and network connection.
Chris Walker Pioneer Electronics

Vey good keep us posted!

How would you compare sound of the Pioneer vs Yamaha RX-A3020, Marantz 8801, Integra DHC-80.3
post #519 of 1838
What you guys think about Integra DTR 80.3 vs Pioneer sc68 ?

I have a complete set of Anthony gallo stradas and i need some advice about which amp to buy...
post #520 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweElite View Post

What you guys think about Integra DTR 80.3 vs Pioneer sc68 ?
I have a complete set of Anthony gallo stradas and i need some advice about which amp to buy...

Some, myself included, think that Audyssey cannot be beat by Pioneers or Yamaha's room EQ. Others prefer Pioneers or Yamahas. The only way I can see to determine which you prefer is auditioning them in your home, very difficult in this day and age.
post #521 of 1838
Thread Starter 
2nd what Theresa says. The speakers are not hard to drive so that's an irrelevant issue.

what is relevant is the feature sets & the room correction/EQ system each company uses. Like Theresa says, each one has its supporters. each one has positives & each one has negatives (even Audyssey wink.gif)

we can help with features, connectivity & questions about the room correction setup but only the listener can decide which one better suits his needs. for example, is there a sub or not? how do intend to use it, meaning with an ext subwoofer EQ'r, no sub EQ, or do you have a treated room?

no one can give you advice just based on a speaker brand, unless the speakers are particularly demanding on power, are low impedance and/or low efficiency. then the power capability of the receiver comes into play.

but the specs for stradas look like any receiver can drive them, plus they are only rated to 80hz, so you will or should crossover bass to a subwoofer anyway.

rather than look for holy grail answers here, do yourself a favor and go to dealers, demo each one, and decide for yourself smile.gif

to go over every company's flagship receiver, bullet-point by bullet-point, discuss the intricacies of Audyssey vs Pioneer's MCACC, is not a productive exercise for you or us....we can answer questions you may have about MCACC & Audyssey, what each one can do & not do, but you need to download the manuals, read through them for background information on features and go do some shopping & listening. then ask specifics wink.gif

I'd love to see you get a Pioneer SC-68 but it's your money and your decision. The Integra, Pioneer & Denon flagships are all very capable receivers and will drive the speakers. so it comes down to features, setup, connections, and which room correction system you like best for use and sound. trying to give you advice at this point is like telling you which brand of car to buy...
Edited by ss9001 - 12/6/12 at 7:23am
post #522 of 1838
Who is using the USB DAC? Anyone able to assign a HDMI to this input? I have noticed that the HDMI assignment is grey'd out , what is the setting to activate HDMI assignments? I think it has something to do with HDMI control , I don't remember how the older models did it.

Anyone?
post #523 of 1838
I plan to use the USB DAC to connect to my laptop but I havn't done it though. Looks like I need some education on this as I can't understand how would it relate to HDMI. According to the manual, you install a driver on your Windows (MAC should already have the driver) then connect your PC to the receiver via a USB cable. Whenever you select the receiver as the output device when you play audio on your Windows, the audio would be directed to the receiver DAC. Where is HDMI involved in the path?

BTW, I also plan to connect the receiver to my laptop wirelessly over DLNA when they are not directly connected by USB cable. I'll be using a Netgear WNCE2001, which has much better reviews than the AS-WL300 adapter and it is a lot cheaper.
post #524 of 1838
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soniky View Post

I plan to use the USB DAC to connect to my laptop but I havn't done it though. Looks like I need some education on this as I can't understand how would it relate to HDMI. According to the manual, you install a driver on your Windows (MAC should already have the driver) then connect your PC to the receiver via a USB cable.

Whenever you select the receiver as the output device when you play audio on your Windows, the audio would be directed to the receiver DAC.

Where is HDMI involved in the path?

BTW, I also plan to connect the receiver to my laptop wirelessly over DLNA when they are not directly connected by USB cable. I'll be using a Netgear WNCE2001, which has much better reviews than the AS-WL300 adapter and it is a lot cheaper.

points -
you have it completely correct, congrats smile.gif
and you're right - it's not involved with HDMI at all

someone is trying to assign HDMI to the USB DAC port for playing video simultaneously, I guess & can't figure out why he can't do it (it's grayed out - that should tell you something wink.gif) the manual even shows that it's not available for assigning an HDMI input. That person is trying to get the receiver to do something it can't do & wonder how to do it.

see the attached from the manual. do you see USB-DAC as assignable to HDMI 1-7? I don't, but that doesn't stop some folks from trying wink.gif



anyway, you sir are 100% right on its use!

for the record, it is for playing audio files off PC's & USB storage devices, all music file types supported including hi-rez PCM and the DSD files that are listed in the manual for USB devices wink.gif someone earlier wanted to use it for Blu-ray audio eek.gif from his HTPC. even if you could, which you can't, why bother? just get an HDMI video or sound card rolleyes.gif another strange out-of-the-box notion on how something should work...in their mind rolleyes.gif

ripping from SACD not needed (another recent poster's question that would have been answered if he had looked at the manual). somehow that person got the "notion" the front USB port was specifically a SACD file port and needed to somehow rip SACD's to files and also every file type would be downsampled to CD 44.1/16, when NOWHERE in the manual does it say either of those things rolleyes.gif either I'm confused as to where some people get their info or there's mass confusion from not reading the manual correctly or laziness in not looking at it at all! Pioneer has specifically stated that the DSD file support is for commercially available DSD files that some hi-rez sites, like 2L, have for sale...afaik, a "normal" PC user cannot rip a SACD without some expensive professional software, probably from Sony, unless there are bootleg rippers, nothing would surprise me eek.gif but why would someone get the idea that they had to rip the DSD from a SACD? confused.gif

sorry I expanded my reply to a rant but there's been a number of posters lately in multiple Pioneer threads who have me scratching my head, I do admit redface.gif

anyway, hope you enjoy the 68 & its USB support. I tried it out & it's nice Pioneer put async transfer support in the receiver since it normally in expensive external DAC's. Very nice!
Edited by ss9001 - 12/7/12 at 1:11pm
post #525 of 1838
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mantis10 View Post

Who is using the USB DAC? Anyone able to assign a HDMI to this input? I have noticed that the HDMI assignment is grey'd out , what is the setting to activate HDMI assignments? I think it has something to do with HDMI control , I don't remember how the older models did it.
Anyone?

I don't think USB-DAC is assignable to an HDMI input function. If someone proves me wrong, I stand corrected. But if you look at the manual, do you see where you can assign HDMI 1-7 to USB-DAC? try page 47 - because it sure don't look that way to yours truly wink.gif

plus, as I myself found out, in order to assign an HDMI input that already is assigned by default, you 1st have to go into the setup menu and un-assign it from the default input so it's free for re-assignment. In previous models, Pioneer used to leave HDMI all unassigned by default and if you wanted to "marry" say HDMI 1 to the BD analog input, you would do that in the input setup menu. In these new models, they have them pre-assigned already so you have to make a change in order to re-assign it or to leave it un-assigned as HDMI 1 if you'd like to use input "BD" for some other analog/digital source for example.

ie HDMI Sat/Cbl. it's already pre-assigned to Sat/Cbl, go into input setup, unassign it from Sat/Cbl and then you can assign that HDMI port (HDMI 2) to something else.

maybe you already knew this, but it never hurts to go into details. I had to experiment myself to figure it out redface.gif

but, in answer to your question, if it's grayed out, I think that means it's unavailable, and that's consistent with the table on pg 47

check it out & see if you agree or not smile.gif if you still think otherwise, please post where you find it in the manual. I can be wrong sometimes, not often...but when I am, I'll say so.
post #526 of 1838
Thanks Steve -
I just saw Mantis10 has a standalone thread on this topic last week. I still don't think I understand the question.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442819/pioneer-elite-sc-68-question-about-the-usb-dac
Hello everyone ,
I'm curious if anyone has been able to assign a HDMI input to the USB DAC input?
Reason: I want to use a Mac Mini USB out to the DAC and use HDMI for Video. There is something with HDMI control that allows or denies HDMI assignment , this is how it was done on older SC models.
post #527 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
yeah, I know wink.gif

he's got 2 issues as I mentioned in my reply to him. one is re-assigning an HDMI input that is already assigned by Pioneer to another input function; I'm not sure he's stuck at that place or not but the 2nd is the USB-DAC audio input looks like it can't be assigned or paralleled with an HDMI source for video anyway, it's just flat not available according to the manual.

I think he's thinking of the multichannel analog inputs where you could have a video source play along with the audio source at the same time (think watching video along with the music from a SACD player - a music video wink.gif). I think he's trying to do the same thing with music from the USB-DAC, having video from a BD/DVD player play at the same time as his music from his PC.

edit for correction - I just checked my SC-68. while you can assign an HDMI input to the multichannel audio analogs (that used to not be an option in previous models) but for USB-DAC, you definitely cannot assign an HDMI input even for an available un-assigned HDMI input. I un-assigned HDMI 1 so it was available and the option for USB-DAC was still greyed out. Nada.

so don't be confused with what mantis was trying to do w HDMI because it won't work anyway wink.gif

you're on the right track on how to use it...it's for computer audio only, no video at the same time from another source.
Edited by ss9001 - 12/7/12 at 3:11pm
post #528 of 1838
SC-68 was on back order at Magnolia/BestBuy so I went ahead and picked up the SC-67 for $1300
post #529 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
congratulations! smile.gif
nice price!

keep us posted when you get it setup.
post #530 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
congratulations! smile.gif
nice price!
keep us posted when you get it setup.

Pioneer had 20% off on Amazon so BestBuy matched it, normally $1999. Pretty happy so far, it lands Wednesday and I'll be running a pair of Polk RTiA9 on it. I also picked up a BIC America F12 for < $200 on Amazon. I am pretty excited. I have a large room and in-ceiling speaker crafts ( 7 x CRS6one's) as well which I am not sure how they'll sound yet. So we'll see.
post #531 of 1838
I have an update on my sc-68 and it shutting down, and possibly related to center and rear amps blowing. up. Well, the receiver came back from Pioneer service center with a clean bill of health. It was on the bench for three days with no issues. I might have traced the problem to a Martin Logan SL3 speaker with some shorting of wires between the panel and crossover. I also disconnected a Rel Storm 3 although it was connected to the front monoblocs which had no problems, but I read the cable has problems with Class D amps. Now I am left with a Sherwood R-972 receiver I purchased because I was certain the sc-68 was bad. Someone mentioned using the Sherwood's room setup through the sc-68. Any ideas?
post #532 of 1838
I don't know if this can be done or not and need help. I want to have a 7.2 surround set up with Front Bi-aming. However, I don't want the two surround back speakers. Instead, I want to keep the two front Height speakers. Does this make sense and how can I do it?

According to the listed options in the manual, it seems that only the Height channels can be used to bi-amp the Front. And, while Height is being used, the Wide has no amp output.
post #533 of 1838
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamanaudioho View Post

...the receiver came back from Pioneer service center with a clean bill of health...I also disconnected a Rel Storm 3 although it was connected to the front monoblocs which had no problems, but I read the cable has problems with Class D amps...Someone mentioned using the Sherwood's room setup through the sc-68. Any ideas?

glad to read your receiver was OK. on the REL, you are correct, they issued statements a few yrs back that the connection wasn't compatible with class D amps. I can't remember for sure what the issue was but something about grounding or DC current. IIRC, they had a special cable you can order from them to make the sub compatible. I also found this -

http://rel.net/support/rel-connectivity/



I also had this in my 'archived" info I keep on various products, etc. It's a post from a UK forum that I had copied about REL & class D amps:

"My Class D amplifier (Fenice 20a) is working fine and an adequate substitute when I don't want to warm my valve amp up, however, I have recently bought a REL Strata 5 and can't get it to work with it. I've contacted REL with the following reply

""This is quite common now as digital amp don't have a constant earth so things like distortion are very common so we have made a special lead that gets around this, you can order one from your local rel dealer at a cost of £100.00.""

I don't fancy paying £100 for a lead, any knowledge of this problem or ideas would be appreciated.

Stoat

Basically, you need to put a capacitor in series with one of the outputs (+ or -) on each channel. The positive lead of the capacitor connects to the amp output and the negative lead goes to the REL high level input. This blocks the DC bias on the output and allows you to use the power ground of the fenice as the common ground which you can connect to the REL. You will need to know (or measure) the impedance of the high level inputs on the REL so you can choose the appropriate size of the capacitor."


I'd call REL to confirm, their website suggests just connecting the ground in a certain way will do the job.

keep us posted smile.gif

on the use of the Sherwood - you would connect its preamp outputs into the SC-68's multichannel analog inputs, set the 68 to Pure Direct, turn the SC-68 volume to at least 0.0 dB or a bit higher in the positive zone, set its MCACC preset to Off. You'd be using the Sherwood & Trinnov as your prepro & room EQ. and be using the SC-68 for its amps only. You can always switch back & forth if you have multiple sources, some connected to the 68 & some connected to the 972. It's a bit complex but you can now have 2 different prepro/receivers and their respective features, room EQ & processing modes. the downsides are the cost & complexity of all the analog cables, remembering to change settings on the 68 everytime you use the 972 & you can have only 1 sub output from the 972 to the 68. height/width speakers are still powered from the 68 BTW since the 972 doesn't have them IIRC. or you can feed the 68 pre outs into the 972 analog in's if the 68 is to be your #1 most used "prepro"

I use my 68 that way with the SC-09. And I've toyed with the idea of getting one of the close-out 972's just to tinker with Trinnov wink.gif but I haven't done it redface.gif I am intrigued very much with Trinnov since I heard ADA's pro level version in a CEDIA show that impressed me muchly biggrin.gif but I can't afford a $15000 ADA smile.gif the reason I haven't sprung $500 for a 972 is its known bugs, quirks and HDMI glitches. Even to experiment with, I still want something that's stable & reliable wink.gif

if you do try the 972 that way, post about it! please...smile.gif anything to do with Trinnov, I know I'm interested in reading about.
Edited by ss9001 - 12/10/12 at 6:18am
post #534 of 1838
yes, the rel issue is grounding related...

yes, trinnov commentary would be good... smile.gif i too almost bit on the sherwood, but there is no way i could deal with all of its quirks...
post #535 of 1838
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soniky View Post

I don't know if this can be done or not and need help. I want to have a 7.2 surround set up with Front Bi-aming. However, I don't want the two surround back speakers. Instead, I want to keep the two front Height speakers. Does this make sense and how can I do it?
According to the listed options in the manual, it seems that only the Height channels can be used to bi-amp the Front. And, while Height is being used, the Wide has no amp output.

I think you're right, no way to do both biamp & ht/wides. the amps needed for ht/wides will be used to bi-amp

honestly, if you're that interested in ht/wides, don't even bother with passive bi-amping. in fact, I wouldn't bother with bi-amping at all wink.gif passive bi-amping, like what all receivers do, accomplishes very little and has negligible effect on real power to the speakers. OTOH, active bi-amping is very different - where you bypass your speakers' own internal driver crossovers by removing a jumper or disconnect the internal wiring, use a 3rd party crossover box for custom crossover settings and then separate amps for each set of drivers in each speaker. passive is just adding 2 amps together into the same speaker crossover circuitry and the increase in power is not double but only a few dB's volume. the math has been done countless times in this forum but I don't have time this AM to dig it out. but many here can provide that to you if they see your post & want to respond smile.gif

my advice is go with the 9.2 setup & be done with it, then you can use your ht's or wides or not smile.gif at least you then have the choice wink.gif
post #536 of 1838
Quote:
Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

OTOH, active bi-amping is very different - where you bypass your speakers' own internal driver crossovers by removing a jumper or disconnect the internal wiring, use a 3rd party crossover box for custom crossover settings and then separate amps for each set of drivers in each speaker. passive is just adding 2 amps together into the same speaker crossover circuitry and the increase in power is not double but only a few dB's volume. the math has been done countless times in this forum but I don't have time this AM to dig it out. but many here can provide that to you if they see your post & want to respond smile.gif
my advice is go with the 9.2 setup & be done with it, then you can use your ht's or wides or not smile.gif at least you then have the choice wink.gif

I am having a new crossover built for the fronts and was hoping to take the opportunity to bi-amp. I do have an old 2ch amp laying around. If I use an external amp in the speaker mix, let's say I use it to power the fronts while sc-68 power all the others, would sc-68 allow that and would it affect MCACC tuning?
post #537 of 1838
^^^

the crossover would need to go BEFORE the amplifiers... new xover or no new xover...

yes, mcacc would work with the scenario described...

frankly, unless you are going fully active, you are wasting your time trying to do what you want... and while there can be benefits to an active setup, it's not just a "5 minute, set it and forget it" job...
post #538 of 1838
Sound Retriever (S.RTRV)

Do any of you use this feature? Thoughts and inputs on when it should be used? or leave off all the time?

BTW i'm using a 68 as a processor and a parasound A51 as my amp.


Thanks.
post #539 of 1838
^^^

on the pioneers that i owned, i used it on poorly encoded/bit starved mp3/aac files...

i liked the effect...

on a well encoded file, at a decent bit rate (say 256 vbr), it "over retrieves" the sound, if that makes sense...

this is one of those "try it and see if you like it" type things, as it will "change" the sound...
post #540 of 1838
Chris,
I wonder if you or anyone else reading this thread could help with me decide on whether to go for the SC-67 or the SC-68?

I love the idea of the built-in USB DAC but I already have a Mapleshade (modded HiFace) USB to S/PDIF adapter, which sounds pretty good to me. I have been using this for many months with ancient Denon AVR2802 receiver. I feed the output of the Mapleshade adapter into the Denon and take the pre-out into my (again ancient) Rotel RB980BX power amplifier (circa 2006). I am driving the Rotel into Vienna Acoustics Hayden Grand speakers. (one of the few components in my system which are new and pretty decent)

I have been ripping my CDs to lossless FLAC and also have some high def audio tracks (96Khz/24Bit) lossless FLAC.

What I am trying to figure out is how the USB DAC in the SC-68 would stack up against the Mapleshade adapter. The Mapleshade is supposed to have incredibly low jitter, but it does feed into the S/PDIF input of the receiver so I don’t know how much that might deteriorate the sound. I am guessing, but I would imagine the USB DAC in the SC-68 goes from USB to analogue, bypassing the S/PDIF circuitry?

The other thing I am trying to find out is if the USB DAC, in conjunction with the Pioneer software uses ASIO to get the digital sound out of the computer? With the Mapleshade adapter, being based on the original HiFace adapter, this doesn’t use ASIO at the moment, so I have to stream using ASIO4ALL. I have no idea yet how using ASIO would compare but I have read that it provides the ultimate in terms of audio quality and low latency from a windows computer. I also heard that a new version of the Maplshade adapter (based on the HiFace Two) is planned to be released in about three months, so my options would be:

1. Buy the SC-67 and use my existing Mapleshade adapter and upgrade to the new Mapleshade adapter in three months (at a cost, perhaps of $200)
2. Buy the SC-68 and use its built-in USB DAC

Unfortunately the retailers in my area are not set up for me to do any comparison tests and are far too busy to be tied up with my experiments as it is the holiday season.

Thanks
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Official Pioneer SC-68/67 Thread