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post #571 of 1838
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The only AVR's Ive seen active crossovers in are the newer Onkyo's (818 and up.....)

So they do. It's here on page en-62 of the user's manual:

http://filedepot.onkyousa.com/Files/own_manuals/TX-NR818_English.pdf

Crossover
`“250Hz”, “320Hz”, “400Hz”, “500Hz, “630Hz”,
“800Hz”, “1000Hz”, “1250Hz”, “1600Hz”,
“2000Hz”, “2500Hz”, “3200Hz”, “4000Hz”,
“5000Hz”

Output Band for Test
`High + Low, High, Low:
Select the output for the audio signal

This gets you a crude 2-way crossover that does not take the response of the drivers into account, such as is commonly done in passive crossovers for quality speakers.
post #572 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
yes, I just checked the manual for the latest Onkyo 5010 flagship. and you are so right redface.gif

I owe Filmmixer, you & soniky an apology on my thinking that no receiver has this.

here it is for the 5010:


nothing like that exists in any Pioneer receiver or ever has. my hats off to Onkyo for including it. that's a feature not even the $8500 Anthem D2V prepro has (unless I missed that one, too! tongue.gif)

OK - I'm right that Pioneer and Denon don't have but was wrong that no receiver had it. Onkyo does but I agree with you that it's a simple or crude 2 way and can't be compared to what's in the available digital & analog external processors from companies like Bryston, Pass, DEQX, etc. Even a cheap budget unit like Behringer is ~$300-400 from places like Musicians' Friend. kudos to Onkyo

but still skeptical it will do the same job of majority of halfway decent speaker designs wink.gif

as the manual says: "Select this if you’re using speakers without crossover network"

unless I had some really budget speakers, I'd want to stick with what the speaker company put in them. Of course, looks like you could duplicate what the speaker had, in order to get some benefit from bi-amping.

anyway, Film was right, so were you! I eat humble pie eek.gif I am wrong on some things on occasion tongue.gifredface.gif

but the Pioneer still doesn't have this so it's still passive bi-amping.
Edited by ss9001 - 12/11/12 at 2:05pm
post #573 of 1838
Thread Starter 
I also have to say this...IMHO, I'll take the reliability & stability of a Pioneer & Denon over Onkyo's track record even if they have more DSP on tap wink.gif

I'd much prefer living without my own crossover to have an HDMI board that can survive at least a year smile.gif
post #574 of 1838
Having trouble with my SC-67...It shut down during a big storm and turned back on a second later. Problem is that it's displaying "power on" but does not respond to any commands? It's plugged into a Monster power surge protector. I tried to shut it down but it only does so if I hold the power button down for 5 or 6 seconds. I tried unplugging it as well but it still does not respond? I also tried to reset it but it will not even reset. Any ideas as to what is going on and how to correct this issue. Thanks in advance for your speedy response....
post #575 of 1838
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Originally Posted by vmarz View Post

Having trouble with my SC-67...It shut down during a big storm and turned back on a second later. Problem is that it's displaying "power on" but does not respond to any commands? It's plugged into a Monster power surge protector. I tried to shut it down but it only does so if I hold the power button down for 5 or 6 seconds. I tried unplugging it as well but it still does not respond? I also tried to reset it but it will not even reset. Any ideas as to what is going on and how to correct this issue. Thanks in advance for your speedy response....

power surge damage?? %ime to see if that Monster cable power surge gaurantee is gonna kick in!
post #576 of 1838
Hi there , as i read on the sc 67/68 manual page 104 these 2 new amps have the ability to show on screen (TV) the status of the eq-input etc , something that the 55-57 did not.Can someone upload a photo to show us what it looks like?
post #577 of 1838
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian View Post

Can someone upload a photo to show us what it looks like?

not today, maybe later this weekend
of all the things in the setup menu, calibration & OSD, exactly what are you interesting in seeing?
Edited by ss9001 - 12/12/12 at 4:57am
post #578 of 1838
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

not today, maybe later this weekend
of all the things in the setup menu, calibration & OSD, exactly what are you interesting in seeing?
On a Yamaha Aventage of a friend i liked the fact that during watching a film if i press display or info the information in what signal is the input or what eq is he working e.tc
These info were not visible on the Tvs.But now on the new LX (SC Elite in Usa) are.
I mean all the info that we see now by pressing status on the receiver's screen it would be nice to see on TV.
So please IF YOU CAN give us a Photo.
Thanks!!!!
post #579 of 1838
Hello, I just purchased the SC-65 to replace my 9yr old VSX-45 and to my supprise there is no dedicated Phono port for my turntable. The manual states use the CD analog input but when i play a record in barely hear any sound.
The turntable is an old Tecnique which works and worked with the VSX-45 but with the SC-65 volume at 0.0db it is still very low. Do I have something set wrong or do i have to get a more mordern turntable?eek.gif
Edited by mizer - 12/12/12 at 12:36pm
post #580 of 1838
You will need an external phono pre-amp to feed into your analog inputs on the receiver.
post #581 of 1838
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mizer View Post

Do I have something set wrong or do i have to get a more mordern turntable?eek.gif

no to both. PeterK is right, you need an external phono preamp for your turntable. plug the TT into the preamp, then the preamp into the CD input on the receiver. you can get hi-end ones or you can get budget ones on various web sites, even ebay. try sites like needledoctor, musicdirect, acousticsounds, elusivedisc, places that sell turntables, cartridges. or a lo2cal audio dealer that sells 2 channel.

you cannot use the CD input directly not just because of low volume but you will not get the RIAA equalization which is mandatory for proper freq response from an LP. to cut a record, bass & highs are deliberately cut in the audio mastering so that the grooves are not so demanding that cartridges mistrack or jump. at the preamp end, the EQ is reversed to restore the proper balance of bass & highs. so w/o the RIAA Equalization, your LPs will sound like crapola smile.gif

the RIAA EQ is a standard in the recording industry which has been used making records for as long as records have been around, 50+ years. every phono preamp and every receiver ever made with a phono input has the RIAA equalization built-in. yours does not.

kind of late since you have the 65 but the 67 & 68 have the proper built-in phono inputs.
Edited by ss9001 - 12/12/12 at 4:59pm
post #582 of 1838
Thanks for that detailed post Steve.
I learned quite a bit from that as I never understood the RIAA equalization stuff.
post #583 of 1838
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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian View Post

On a Yamaha Aventage of a friend i liked the fact that during watching a film if i press display or info the information in what signal is the input or what eq is he working e.tc
These info were not visible on the Tvs.But now on the new LX (SC Elite in Usa) are.
I mean all the info that we see now by pressing status on the receiver's screen it would be nice to see on TV.
So please IF YOU CAN give us a Photo.
Thanks!!!!

I will post a photo later for you..

The iPad and Android apps also give tons of feedback.
post #584 of 1838
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I will post a photo later for you..
The iPad and Android apps also give tons of feedback.

OK Thanks!!!!
post #585 of 1838
Thank you Steve for the information you provided i have learned something new. I actually only wanted the 63 because i only run a 5.1 and zone 2 but i was able to get the 65 for less then the 63 and with the added channels and features why turn that down. Now starts the big learning curve so i can get the most out of this system. Funny thing to the first unit i picked up had to be returned because it had no soound from any speaker except the sub and wouldn't calibrate which was odd because i have never had a problem with any of my Pioneer receivers over the last 30yrs. That one was built June2012 the next one was built April 2012 and worked like a charm. They even hooked it up in the store before i took it home to test it first.biggrin.gif

Druie
post #586 of 1838
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Originally Posted by davehale View Post

Pandora Update,
I finally did the update. My problem was Pioneer was not reading from my USB drive or the second one or the third one or the 4th. So I pulled out an older USB drive it went thru the washer some years ago, it worked first time and was very easy. I believe my newer thumb drives may have been to large but my older smaller one worked first time- many hours later and frustration of course.
Dave

That was it... the Pioneer update utility will only read from a small USB drive - not sure what "small" means to Pioneer, but 8GB was too large and the smallest thumb drive I own.

So, I simply deleted all partitions on the drive and created a 512MB default FAT partition and put the files on that... all was well, after that.

F#$% -you Pioneer for making me do that - that was a huge waste of my time and a limitation like that should be in the release notes.

What year is it again, 1995? I will cross-post to the 1122-K owners thread...
post #587 of 1838
Thread Starter 
^^
hmmm

mine was 8GB, not partitioned but formatted and it worked just fine. I think the key is formatted wink.gif no other data on it that could potentially be read.

are you sure you aren't looking at the fact that it worked and inferring what made it work? since no other poster who had problems needed to go to such lengths, I think it's probable that you didn't need to create your separate primary partition. that's asking a whole lot from casual owners and not very likely or logical that Pioneer would create something that required PC hard drive management skills to make it work.

in your case, it might have worked just fine after your deleted the partitions. I can see extra partitions giving the updater fits but not having that small of a partition. Since you deleted all of the existing ones, and only created the one, the receiver only saw the 512 MB one and used it. that doesn't mean you couldn't have successfully installed it using 1 clean, formatted 8GB FAT partition wink.gif

let's not jump to too many conclusions here. others are getting it to work without re-partitioning the drive.
post #588 of 1838
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

That was it... the Pioneer update utility will only read from a small USB drive - not sure what "small" means to Pioneer, but 8GB was too large and the smallest thumb drive I own.
So, I simply deleted all partitions on the drive and created a 512MB default FAT partition and put the files on that... all was well, after that.
F#$% -you Pioneer for making me do that - that was a huge waste of my time and a limitation like that should be in the release notes.
What year is it again, 1995? I will cross-post to the 1122-K owners thread...

mine read off a 16gb flash drive......no partitions and formatted!
post #589 of 1838
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Originally Posted by Titan7170 View Post

mine read off a 16gb flash drive......no partitions and formatted!

thank you! smile.gif you made my point.
post #590 of 1838
Maybe someone with USB thumbdrive skills can weigh in on this as I would like to know for future reference.
I bought 2 new 8 gigabyte ScanDisk thumbdrives with flashing light. They were reformatted using Windows 7 utilities. The proper 7 Bin files were unzipped and downloaded. Further investigation on the thumbdrive noted that all was well. Reread the instructions 3 times over. Tried different thumbdrives, powering down, resetting reformatting trying over and over at least a dozen times. Was totally frustrated. The lights on the cruzers just sat there with a slow flashing indication no activity as the pioneer would not access them. I downloaded some music files on the cruzers and inserted into the OPPO and not a problem. But I now treat the one that worked with bubble wrap and now sits along side of my microphnes for the Denon and Pioneer tucked inside a jewelry box. What thumbdrives are others using?

Dave
post #591 of 1838
As a followup, I just received instructions from Pioneer and I was doing everything exactly by the book. Although they stated use the remote-the instruction stated use the controls on the front of the Pioneer. I guess it doesnt make any difference.
Dave
post #592 of 1838
I did 2 things to make sure the reciever would read the files correctly 1. I put the folder on the drive with the files in it 2. I also copied the files out of the folder and put them on the drive without the folder. So when I looked on the drive there was both the folder sitting there with the files in it and also the files sitting there without the folder. Why did I do this?? Because I wasnt sure if the reciever can actually go into a folder and access the files,Also if the reciever needs to see the folder with the files in it it is there for access so it had a chance to read both ways. Just a precaution I took?? dont know if It made a difference but my SC-61 read it fine.
post #593 of 1838
Yes I have tried it and found it not to work, I get a update error 6
post #594 of 1838
Sorry for the delay.. the OSD is a copy of the front panel LCD

It shows volume, parameter and source changes

post #595 of 1838
Am I missing something?
My Yamaha Aventage allowed me to drive two HDMI televisions with audio as well as producing sound from the main zone speakers.
My new SC-67 seems unable to pass audio out through HDMI at the same time as its speakers.
OMG!!
post #596 of 1838
In the main zone, why would you want sound out of the tv speakers if the main speakers driven by the receiver are on? Seems like a very uncommon usage but I probably just don't understand what you are trying to do.
Are you saying that in zone 4 that no audio is transferred via HDMI?
post #597 of 1838
Pandora update - error 6 - success

I also was getting the “ERROR 6” with the Pandora firmware update using two old Lexar thumb drives (128MB) but finally had success with a SanDisk Cruzer, 4GB drive. I erased and formatted on a Mac with Disc Utility to “MS-DOS (FAT)” and placed only the seven BIN files on the drive. Looks like the SC-67 is fussy about USB drives.

After the update log back into Pandora with your full email address and password (not your profile or user name). Unfortunately the log-in only works with the tedious front panel control buttons, not the iPad or iPhone app.
Edited by Vid Macintosh - 12/16/12 at 11:54am
post #598 of 1838
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Sorry for the delay.. the OSD is a copy of the front panel LCD
It shows volume, parameter and source changes

Thank You very much!
it is not at last something very very very special.
Happy Holidays
post #599 of 1838
Actually I didn't use the audio for the main zone TV but for a remote TV in the workout room that uses a soundbar fed by the TV's audio out.
I ended up using zone 4 but was surprised that the Pioneer lacked this capability. I didn't have to use a zone with the Yamaha. I could have saved zone 4 for a different use. I will say that I'm getting MUCH more volume at the remote TV than using zone 4 than i did using the Yamaha's parallel HDMI feed. I love the sc67 already anyway. The Aventage (RX-A2000) is going on eBay tonight. I just looked at its receipt and it was $200 more than this Pioneer.
post #600 of 1838
Hey all -
I am thinking of buying this receiver but am wondering if anyone has tried bi-amping the fronts in a 7.1 configuration PLUS a second 2 channel zone. After reviewing the manual, I can't see how this is done.

Any ideas?
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