Originally Posted by Escape
Can someone please tell me what infomation the OSD shows on the TV with the Elite SC-67/68 via HDMI connection to TV (Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD)
Does it show the:
Current Sound Format
I only get the MCACC Setup and a useless volume box that only shows a "blue line" representing the volume but no "Number" (-45.5) like on the front panel. I have enabled the HDMI control on the receiver and since I have an Elite Pro 151FD I also enable that in the TV menu.
The "MCACC Setup" shows if HDMI control is on or off.
I noticed also with the HDMI control feature set to "On" in the TV setup that if I switch TV inputs the receiver turns off.....I don't want that to happen
I don't want any of those advanced HDMI features but just to display the OSD of the receiver on the TV via HDMI. (volume input, sound mode, audio/video options, channel levels and MCAAC setup)
Is this possible because other brands like the Yamaha RX-A3020 and Denon 4520ci can do this which is what most people would expect to see for an OSD from a $2000 receiver. My current 12 yr old Yamaha RX-V3300 shows more info in its OSD
maybe you are new to Pioneer methodology?
I'll give this a shot based on what I think you're asking.
1. Does it show the:
Current Sound Format
yes it does, but not all at the same time
when you're in the setup menu, your screen will show that. when you are in video parameters, the screen will show that (providing Video Converter is On). when you're in normal everyday mode, the OSD will be a true overlay & display volume, the sound processing/audio format and the source, those items only. when you're in MCACC menu, if you go to Channel Level in the setup, the screen will show the channel levels, etc etc. using remote or i-app for things like audio parameters, video parameters, standing wave filter on/off, tone, all these various options, will appear in the OSD when you press the specific remote key or i-app button and they will be an overlay just like volume & audio format.
2. HDMI Control should be irrelevant to the OSD whether it's on or off. I have mine off and I see everything I'm supposed to see. I have the exact same gear as you: Kuro 151, SC-68 and using HDMI. It works exactly as I've described, nothing unusual.
3. I don't want any of those advanced HDMI features but just to display the OSD of the receiver on the TV via HDMI. (volume input, sound mode, audio/video options, channel levels and MCAAC setup)
well, you won't see MCACC setup or channel levels or unless you're in that setup menu. all you will see watching/listening to a source is exactly what I've told you: vol, audio mode, source name. all the rest only appears when you hit the remote key for that function. if you want to look at the selected MCACC preset (M1, M2, M3, etc) then press that remote key and it will appear on screen.
4. why would you expect to see detailed MCACC settings when you are just watching TV
? you wouldn't need to unless you're actually going into the setup menu to review them or change them. you can hit Home Menu on the remote and see everything on screen. what it DOESN'T do is overlay on top of what you're viewing on TV. it pauses, goes to the menu then when you exit you'll see what you're watching return. sorry if that may disappoint you, but that's the way it is...no overlay but a change in what you see to the menus. like I said, all the various things you can change using remote keys, like the ones I mentioned & PQLS, etc, will be onscreen in a simple overlay along with the source input you are applying them to. not going all the way into the setup menus.
5. if you're seeing --- for volume that means the volume is turned completely down to off, nothing. When you run MCACC, it takes the volume up to 0.0 dB on the dial, but when you finish the calibration, the receiver does not return to the volume you previously had, it goes to --- so your OSD will display ---. turn the volume up to desired level and the corresponding numbers will be on screen.
6. I noticed also with the HDMI control feature set to "On" in the TV setup that if I switch TV inputs the receiver turns off.....I don't want that to happen
my advice is consult your manuals for the 151 and the SC-68. HDMI Control should turned on in both or off in both. Since I don't use it I can't advise you on how to make it work they way you think it should. the whole idea of HDMI Control is to link the 2 devices together so when you turn one on, the other turns on & vice versa. using HDMI Control is not always what you think
it should or like
it to be. It may reset the input on the receiver to TV or SAT/CBL instead of what you had originally. it's assumed if you have it on, watching TV must be your priority. some don't like that but that's the way it is. that's one of the quirks using HDMI Control or HDMI CEC as it's also called. how well it works depends on the specific TV and receiver combination. if anything, it should work the best for you since you're connecting to a Pioneer plasma. but that doesn't mean it works the way you'd like it to
I agree that Pioneer GUI needs a bit of improvement to equal the GUI in the 4520. but it's certainly adequate for the purpose since you shouldn't need to view your MCACC settings every time you watch a movie
once you're done with it, you're done, unless you are specifically needing to look at it again or re-calibrate. if all you want to do is change presets, you can do that with the remote or i-app and watch it change on screen.
not sure this addresses your questions but I gave it a shot from how I interpreted them
It's been my observation over the years that on these SC models, Pioneer seems to choose to spend more resources on the amp development, THX certifications & other unique features while the other companies do GUI's and their own unique features
it's your choice which are the most valuable to you and shop accordingly.
I've recently viewed several online video reviews of the Denon 4520, Pioneer SC-68 & Onkyo 5010 from a reviewer/dealer in Germany. they're on youtube, in German & youtube's translation capability is beta so it's not smooth & precise. but you can get the gist of it fairly well by following the guy while reading. he also does actual bench test measurements on each one so it's not the typical "sounds great" kind of subjective crap you see in reviews
he also rates them in a lot of areas - audio quality, room correction, bass, treble, midrange clarity, ability to reproduce dynamics, GUI, features, etc. and gives them a scorecard...
in audio quality, he scores the Pioneer in some areas a bit better than the Denon 4520 and the 4520 a bit better than the Pioneer but in all cases, he rates both as better than the Onkyo. differences are not by much but his overall rankings are Denon 4520, Pioneer SC-68, then Onkyo 5010. and the only reason the Denon gets the nod on audio quality is he seems to think it's a little better in "naturalness" as he calls it, slightly better in midrange (i.e. 10 vs a 9, again not much difference) while the Onkyo gets an 8. but the Pioneer beats them both in his opinion on bass & dynamics, no doubt due to the class D amps and producing more power all channels driven.
in fact, his power measurements on the Denon vs the Pioneer are surprising. and it's all due to the limited power supply in the Denon. the 4520 drops to 35 watts per ch
(5 ch driven) while the Pioneer stays up close to 100 watts, I think about 90 IIRC. that's a big difference!
you can choose more power or better GUI - the choice is yours
Pioneer has its own methodology for implementing features and it's not the same as Onkyo, Denon, or Yamaha. nor should you expect it to be. you'll learn the unique & yes, sometimes quirks in the Pioneer, but let's be honest....ALL receivers have quirks. just today, I'm reading posts in the Denon 4520 & Marantz 8801 threads about buggy networking, phone apps & several known quirks that Denon is aware of for couple years but hasn't addressed yet.
no receiver mfg is perfect.Edited by ss9001 - 1/15/13 at 9:53am