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post #391 of 727
In other words, it's not worth it.
post #392 of 727
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

In other words, it's not worth it.

 

If it was free would it be worth it?

 

Here's a (low-end) Windows 7 PC for $247.

 

http://www.frys.com/product/7563096?site=sa:adpages%20page:P2_FRI%20date:050313

 

Or refurbed for less than $200...

 

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-Refurbished-SX2855-UB12P-Small-Form-Factor-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Celeron-G460-Processor-2GB-Memory-500GB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-7-Home-Premi/21670082


Edited by Charles R - 5/3/13 at 6:03am
post #393 of 727
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

In other words, it's not worth it.

I personally feel that Windows 8 isn't worth it anyway. But I've seen new pc's from Dell with Windows 8 pro installed on them. So $10 is a hell of a deal for a guide, especially when you consider how much other companies sell them for.
post #394 of 727
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

If it was free would it be worth it?

Here's a (low-end) Windows 7 PC for $247.

http://www.frys.com/product/7563096?site=sa:adpages%20page:P2_FRI%20date:050313
I shop at my local Microcenter and that store has plenty of brand new laptop/pc's with Windows 7 on them. If someone wants to build a HTPC, it really doesn't make sense yet to use Windows 8 when W7 is still readily available.
post #395 of 727
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If someone wants to build a HTPC, it really doesn't make sense yet to use Windows 8 when W7 is still readily available.

 

You can purchase Windows 8 Pro OEM (on sale) for a pretty good price if you are building. But bang for the buck these close-out PCs can't be beat. 


Edited by Charles R - 5/3/13 at 7:17am
post #396 of 727
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If it was free would it be worth it?

Here's a (low-end) Windows 7 PC for $247.

Sure, but that's not what he was asking about.
post #397 of 727
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Sure, but that's not what he was asking about.

 

What's not worth it... I couldn't figure that out. Perhaps, I need to return a few items. smile.gif

post #398 of 727
My Lenovo X120e netbook has been doing a great job as my HTPC for about 3 years now. A bigger screen is the main reason I need a new laptop for home use.

The laptop I saw yesterday was a top of the line Assus gaming machine with a 17.3'' 1080P screen. It normally sells for $1,300. It was on sale for $750. I didn't buy because it has Windows 8. That's why I was asking if W8 comes with WMC these days. You know maybe MS had a change of heart. Anyway, it sold out quickly. Now it's gone.
Edited by Davidt1 - 5/3/13 at 11:54am
post #399 of 727
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

What's not worth it... I couldn't figure that out. Perhaps, I need to return a few items. 
smile.gif

Buying a Win8 Home PC then spending the extra $110 (?) to upgrade to Pro w/WMC, that's what he was asking about. Getting 7MC is a no-brainer as you said but that's only for clearance PCs now.
post #400 of 727
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Buying a Win8 Home PC then spending the extra $110 (?) to upgrade to Pro w/WMC, that's what he was asking about.

Or he can buy a pc with Win8 Pro already installed. WMC is well worth $10.
post #401 of 727
Sure, but in the consumer market you won't find those. Maybe a business class PC/laptop.
post #402 of 727
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Sure, but in the consumer market you won't find those. Maybe a business class PC/laptop.

If you can buy one, does it really matter what "class" they're in? The local Microcenter has them stacked up, and they're pretty easy to find online.
post #403 of 727
It's a very big nuisance not to be able to get the pro version on a store bought machine. For my work department, a pro version of Windows is required because our software doesn't run on the home versions. Last year when one of our machines went belly up, it was ridiculous that I couldn't get a system off the shelf from either Staples or Office Depot that came with Windows 7 pro installed and had to shell out more money for a windows pro upgrade.
post #404 of 727
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If one wants to complain relevant to this thread I'd said the real issue is having to purchase Pro in order to purchase/use WMC. It's almost like they are saying... please don't use it. Makes one wonder what they are paying for the guide data... and we already know they have other plans in place.

post #405 of 727
Sorry, I didn't make the relevant connection, but as a WMC and cablecard user, it stinks having to pay $100 bucks to get WMC now.
post #406 of 727
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Makes one wonder what they are paying for the guide data... and we already know they have other plans in place.
I guess I must have missed it. What other plans are you referring to?
post #407 of 727
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I guess I must have missed it. What other plans are you referring to?

 

Next week the new Xbox is announced and there are far too many rumors to cover such as...

 

The memo reads: "Durango is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet.

"There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."


As you've just read, the memo also confirms the new Xbox will incorporate a Blu-ray disc player and some form of live TV integration. Whether the TV will use a standard digital tuner, a cable feed or Sky connection, is not yet clear, though current rumours suggest it may simply use an HDMI connection to pull the feed from your settop box. 

 

Looks like the Xbox TV (gameless version) won't be available anytime soon... a little googling goes a long way.

post #408 of 727
It's actually pretty clear from what's been published so far that it will simply be Xbox's version of GoogleTV, simply an overlay for an existing cable box, sat box, etc. Nothing of interest for us cable card and HTPC users unfortunately. Will it spell the early death of WMC? Who knows. But it's not going to replace it, not by a long shot.

What MS executive thought it was a good idea to take one of Google's biggest failures (GoogleTV) and repeat it? I guess the delusions and bad decisions of Win 8 have spilled over to the Xbox team.
post #409 of 727
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I'm wondering if WMC will work via the new Xbox? If so, I have a Xbox 360 to sell... one I don't use but if the new guy won't I might need it down the road.

post #410 of 727
That's the $64k question, but no one knows if the new Xbox will still support WMC until it's released. My guess is that given MS' abandonment of WMC, it's highly unlikely.
post #411 of 727
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That's the $64k question, but no one knows if the new Xbox will still support WMC until it's released.

 

$150 in my case (I got a good deal). smile.gif My pure guess is they will support it since it is (somewhat) available for Windows 8.

post #412 of 727
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Breaking the rule don't mess with what's working I recently tweaked my Power Saving settings (Windows 8). I had it (among other settings) set to...

 

  • Sleep after - 15 minutes
  • Allow hybrid sleep - Yes
  • Hibernate after - 5 minutes

 

After playing around I didn't really remember which settings I tweaked but all of a sudden when coming out of hibernation I could remotely log into the PC but never get a remote desktop. Also the video would never display on my TV. I could tell it was awake... but obviously certain hardware didn't fully wake up. My HTPC is an older i3 and I'm using the built-in graphics and network adapter with the latest Intel and Realtek drivers.

 

No matter its state the Xbox could always wake it up (just sold that puppy) but I have to manually send a WakeOnLan as the USB ports wouldn't awake the PC. It would if I only used hybrid sleep however. I believe that's simply a restriction of my motherboard and others may act differently.

 

Through trial and error I eventually found out turning off hybrid sleep is what stopped it from working. I thought since I told it to hibernate hybrid wouldn't have any affect... if I use hybrid sleep only (disable hibernate) my power button stays orange (and USB devices can wake it up) and when I use hibernate it goes out so I'm guessing there is a difference between the modes. I just don't understand why I need hybrid active if I'm going to hibernate.

 

Anyway, if you have power saving issues finding the right combination appears to be more art than science. At least with my understanding...

post #413 of 727
What is the point of having sleep mode set for 15 minutes when hibernation is set for 5 minutes? If the machine is already hibernated, it can't enter sleep mode. Sleep mode deactivates all hardware except for the RAM, which continues to use the minimum power necessary to maintain its contents. As a result, exiting sleep mode is almost instantaneous, but power failures cause you to lose the computer's state, just as they would if the computer was on when the power failed.

Hibernation dumps the contents of RAM to disk before removing power and sets a note in the boot log that hibernation was used. The next time you boot the machine, it will restore the contents of RAM from the hibernation file, rather than booting normally, in order to restore your session. Exiting hibernation takes longer than exiting sleep, but since the PC is truly off when hibernated, power failures have no effect.

Hybrid sleep seems to be a mode where the OS files remain in the RAM, but documents get written to the disk, thus meaning that your documents are safe from being lost due to power failures, but the PC can still turn on almost instantly. When the hybrid sleep function is enabled, it seems to replace the regular sleep function, while the hibernation function continues to operate normally, i.e. disabling hibernation has no effect on hybrid sleep mode. Pressing keys is often sufficient to wake a sleeping computer, but a hibernated computer usually needs to be awakened with the power button. It's likely that your USB waking method, as well as WOL, will work when the computer is sleeping, but not when it's hibernated.
post #414 of 727
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What is the point of having sleep mode set for 15 minutes when hibernation is set for 5 minutes?

It's likely that your USB waking method, as well as WOL, will work when the computer is sleeping, but not when it's hibernated.

 

Hibernating doesn't kick in until after sleep mode is active (for five minutes?) from my experience. Let's say I pause a show... fifteen minutes later the display will go dark and the PC will go asleep (orange power light instead of white). At this point I can wake it up via my Harmony or Keypad. However if I don't in five minutes it will go into hibernation (power button turns off) and neither will be able to wake it up. At that point the Xbox, WakeMeOnLan or power button will still wake it up.

 

For my motherboard it's somewhat of a pain using hibernation as the remote can't wake it up but since it's in the den and I sit right at another PC I have a little app (WakeMeOnLan) that I use to wake it up. Of course when I was using the Xbox it sent the Magic Packet which worked great. 


Edited by Charles R - 5/20/13 at 2:35pm
post #415 of 727
The problem is that once the computer enters sleep mode, it's already shut off the CPU, the fans, and the HDD, so it isn't possible for it to enter hibernation without starting all of those components again, writing the contents of RAM to disk, and then turning all of the components off a second time. I don't think XP is capable of waking itself from sleep mode so it can go into hibernation after a set period, but perhaps Vista/7/8 maintain enough of a wakeful state to behave that way, even if it doesn't make much sense to do so. If a certain period of inactivity is an indication that the PC will be unused for a prolonged period, you might as well set it to either sleep or hibernate indefinitely, rather than having it sleep for a while, wake up, and then hibernate indefinitely.
post #416 of 727
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

If a certain period of inactivity is an indication that the PC will be unused for a prolonged period, you might as well set it to either sleep or hibernate indefinitely, rather than having it sleep for a while, wake up, and then hibernate indefinitely.

 

The logic (for my usage) is often I'll pause a show for whatever reason... if I get back it to within a few minutes I can still use my remote. If it went directly to hibernate I'd be out of luck. When I'm done with it I simply hit the exit WMC button and turn off all of the other equipment. After 20 minutes it hibernates until the next evening. I could try taking sleep out of the process (simply turn the video off instead) but it more or less acts like an alarm clock... when I see the PC go asleep I know It will be hibernating shortly... so I best get back to it.

post #417 of 727
You could also set the PC to deactivate the display after 15 minutes, after which it would either sleep or hibernate 5 minutes later.
post #418 of 727
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

The problem is that once the computer enters sleep mode, it's already shut off the CPU, the fans, and the HDD, so it isn't possible for it to enter hibernation without starting all of those components again, writing the contents of RAM to disk, and then turning all of the components off a second time.

That may explain why Charles needed to leave hybrid sleep on. If it's using hybrid sleep, then it's already saved the RAM so all it has to do is cut the power 5 minutes after sleeping. Not sure if it needs the CPU for that or if there's a timer circuit on the motherboard that can do it automatically, but if it needs the CPU, it's probably so fast you wouldn't even see the fans start back up.

I'm with you, though: I'd probably just cut the display after 15 mins, then go into hybrid sleep. You might be able to hibernate after a further delay if desired.
post #419 of 727
I also have to use hybrid sleep on my system (S3+S4) for standby to work properly. This is easiest to configure using the MCE Standby Tool. I have my HTPC set to sleep after 3 minutes and hibernate never. I don't do anything else (turn off hard disks, turn off display, etc.).
post #420 of 727
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Looks like I guessed wrong... oh well it wasn't a for sure guess anyway...

 

 

TV on Xbox One.[1] Navigate and watch live TV from your cable, telco or satellite set-top box through your Xbox One. Microsoft is committed to bringing live TV through various solutions to all the markets where Xbox One will be available.[3]

 

3 At launch, Live TV will require a supported receiver device with HDMI output (sold separately).

 

Unluckily, I just sold my Xbox 360. Luckily, I didn't lose any money so if I have to purchase another... Must say it's rather odd looking and I hate shinny plastic.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2013/May13/05-21XboxPR.aspx

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