Originally Posted by matteos
And ok you dig out a forty year old record there's damage... But then midst of my cds that are a decade or more older don't even work they skip. CD is a buckshot format.
Only when you are using a CD player - and in these days of relatively inexpensive computers, digital media players, and DACs/streaming devices, I no longer do.
If you use EAC or dBpoweramp to rip the disc - assuming it is not damaged beyond repair - you will have perfect playback every time, and it will never degrade. I think I have only ever had one disc that was damaged to the point that the audio could no longer be extracted. (and verified with AccurateRip) CDs are relatively cheap, and usually not that
hard to find another copy of - and you don't even need to find a perfect disc. Buy a cheap disc off eBay and you will probably be able to extract the audio without any trouble.
Technically, you are probably degrading the sound of a record every single time you play it.
Originally Posted by kraut
That is simply bull. I run among a few others a TD 125 with a SME 3 arm and Denon 103 cartridge, through a studio phono preamp (logitech) - into my soundcard.
With a test record that was produced by Floyd Toole et al. I get a max. of 40 dB - FOURTY dB - dynamic before the general noise drowns the lower signals.
And that on a well (I think one of the best) Test records - that is subjective listening, not some test instrument that audiophile usually shun so vehemently, "because your ears tell you better" bull.
I grew up with vinyl, listened to it for twenty years - and still do when I find a record that I have no CD version of, own over 2000 records - but most of my listening is done through PC server via a pro soundcard.
Only someone who is new to vinyl can tell inanities like the above. The record might have a theoretical dynamic range of maybe 60dB, but you will not achieve that with any LP that is currently on the market and with any player/arm/cartridge combination.
To put this into perspective for people, 40dB is equivalent to less than 7-bits. You have roughly 6dB dynamic range for every (undithered) bit of digital audio. If you are using dithering, you can get more dynamic range from the same bit-depth. So if the theoretical limit is 60dB, that's only 10-bits of digital information. This is why I think it's crazy to be demanding 24-bit audio files - 24-bit won't hurt, but 16-bit is more than enough.
Maybe it's because I am young enough to have grown up when cassette tapes were popular rather than vinyl (though my parents still had a reasonably large record collection) but I have no nostalgia for the format.
And maybe I just haven't heard a real top of the line system, but nothing about vinyl sounds better to me when compared to a good digital system. I honestly just think it's nostalgia more than anything else - it's the sound that you are used to.
I can understand that there are albums released prior to CD and the loudness wars that are mastered better than their "remastered" CDs, but that's a function of the mastering process, not the format. With the same master - which is common these days - CD (or other "hd" formats) sounds better.
I think if digital sounds bad to you, it's either the source material, or most likely to be your DAC that is the problem. (but these days even relatively cheap DACs should be fine)
I will say this though - I think compressed
digital sounds awful. Perhaps the highest bitrates are ok, but I would rather just use lossless compression for everything.