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post #301 of 497
For those who haven't already seen this short teaser review of the new Panny.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-pt-at6000e_Projector_review
post #302 of 497
Anxiously awaiting actual owner first impressions on the 8000. Specifically, gaming lag!
post #303 of 497
the gaming lag has already been discussed and verified at 34ms on the pc review. Which I believe on this thread had been figured out was about a 2 frame delay.
Edited by dagameballa - 10/1/12 at 9:10am
post #304 of 497
there are a number of factors that can affect the lag time measurements. It needs to be validated on several different systems to know for certain.

The reviewers must be using A CRT monitor and a quality SLR with an average of 10-15 samples.
post #305 of 497
Hey Zombie!! totally waiting for shootout number 2! CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
post #306 of 497
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there are a number of factors that can affect the lag time measurements. It needs to be validated on several different systems to know for certain.
The reviewers must be using A CRT monitor and a quality SLR with an average of 10-15 samples.

Yep!

I personally would just like to know the difference between input lag measured on a CRT and the projector. Since a CRT is "lagless" the difference between the two is really all that matters to me, since that is the baseline.
post #307 of 497
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Yep!
I personally would just like to know the difference between input lag measured on a CRT and the projector. Since a CRT is "lagless" the difference between the two is really all that matters to me, since that is the baseline.

I called Projector People and mine shipped out Friday and I'm getting it today. I will post some pictures and hopefully mount it and fire it up with a game or two. I need to clean up the basement from drywall dust as I just finished running the cables through the wall this weekend with some excellent help from a brother-of-a-friend.

I'm anxious as this is my FIRST projector and nervous about gaming lag...as so many others have been. I'm looking forward to Halo 4 on a 100+ inch screen!
post #308 of 497
I just use one of the newer Rock Band guitars with the builtin sensors that time audio and video lag. Very accurate in my experience.
Some of the cheapo flat panel tvs without game modes have AWFUL (over 100ms) lag.
If you are playing a fast twitch game or something like Rock Band, the 80ms lag some of these projectors have is painful.
My current Z3000 has around 30ms lag, and that's just fine.
I wish JVC, Epson and some others would get on the ball with this, as they are losing customers like me.

Right now, I'm trying to decide between this AE8000u and the Sony HW30.
-The Sony doesn't have the auto-zooming for CIH, but I found out that feature is pretty useless for someone like me who is mounting their projector on the ceiling, above the top of the screen, as I'll have to use the manual lens shift on the Panny anyway.
-The 8000u allows for a 4 inch wider image at my 14ft mounting point.
-LCoS vs LCD. I've had a Panny and Sanyo fail on me. Both used Epson LCD panels. I've seen a lot fewer reports of problems with the Sony's... not sure if this is relevant.
-I'm in a batcave, so I'm not sure if one is better than the other for brightness.
post #309 of 497
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I called Projector People and mine shipped out Friday and I'm getting it today. I will post some pictures and hopefully mount it and fire it up with a game or two. I need to clean up the basement from drywall dust as I just finished running the cables through the wall this weekend with some excellent help from a brother-of-a-friend.
I'm anxious as this is my FIRST projector and nervous about gaming lag...as so many others have been. I'm looking forward to Halo 4 on a 100+ inch screen!

Please do let me know how the lag on it feels.

If you would also check out this thread here over in the Plasma forum...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428231/gaming-plasma-fighting-games-mvc2-umvc3-sf4

Towards the later part of that thread myself and another guy have taken some videos that compare/show some input lag. If you wouldn't mind doing something like that, possibly what cottonballs did, that would totally own!

I may be demo'ing a 7000 this weekend and I'm going to try out input lag on that and see how it feels, if I can set it up. Since the 8000 is supposed to be better it will at least set some kind of bar for my lag tests.

If all goes well with the input feedback, I will be purchasing an 8000 in the very near future as well.
post #310 of 497
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Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew View Post

I just use one of the newer Rock Band guitars with the builtin sensors that time audio and video lag. Very accurate in my experience.
Some of the cheapo flat panel tvs without game modes have AWFUL (over 100ms) lag.
If you are playing a fast twitch game or something like Rock Band, the 80ms lag some of these projectors have is painful.
My current Z3000 has around 30ms lag, and that's just fine.
I wish JVC, Epson and some others would get on the ball with this, as they are losing customers like me.
Right now, I'm trying to decide between this AE8000u and the Sony HW30.
-The Sony doesn't have the auto-zooming for CIH, but I found out that feature is pretty useless for someone like me who is mounting their projector on the ceiling, above the top of the screen, as I'll have to use the manual lens shift on the Panny anyway.
-The 8000u allows for a 4 inch wider image at my 14ft mounting point.
-LCoS vs LCD. I've had a Panny and Sanyo fail on me. Both used Epson LCD panels. I've seen a lot fewer reports of problems with the Sony's... not sure if this is relevant.
-I'm in a batcave, so I'm not sure if one is better than the other for brightness.

Rockband 2 has an actual audio/video input lag calibration, and it will explicitly tell you the input lag in MS.

However the MS value it gives you is not very accurate IMO. It said my CRT was like 42ms of input lag, which just does not seem right.

However, I could gave some type of number because it said my DLP had 132ms of input lag, and I already knew my DLP had terrible input lag. I don't think it is quite that high, but it is definitely pretty unplayable for certain genres of games.
post #311 of 497
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If i had listen to her i would never get anything done...but when it comes to home cinema i'm the one who spends all my time researching these forums. lol

Amen brotha!
post #312 of 497
Looking forward to hearing early impressions of this PJ when you guys get a chance. I'm looking at adding this to my new theater room in the next few months.
post #313 of 497
Can't believe their is no "official owners" thread yet. Everyone must be too busy enjoying them.
post #314 of 497
opportunity for someone to start one
post #315 of 497
While we await the reviews of new 8000 owners, I do have a quick question. If I were to have this projector, and fire up the XBOX 360 and play some Modern Warfare 3, I know this image by default is a 16:9 image from the get go. If I were to have a 2.35:1 screeen would I be able to mess with the lens memory functions of this projector and stretch the image to fill that 2.35:1 screen?

I am guessing I would have to stretch the sides and squeeze the top/bottom of the image to look proportionate?

Or is this not possible at all?

I know the image is a 16:9 image but would be cool if you could fill a 2.35:1 screen even if it is not a true 2.35:1 source!

Would love to hear from Panny 4000 owners or even 7000 owners also since lens memory was a feature in those projectors as well.

Thanks!
post #316 of 497
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

Can't believe their is no "official owners" thread yet. Everyone must be too busy enjoying them.

Probably because noone has one yet...mine will arrive tomorrow.
post #317 of 497
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Originally Posted by User7007 View Post

While we await the reviews of new 8000 owners, I do have a quick question. If I were to have this projector, and fire up the XBOX 360 and play some Modern Warfare 3, I know this image by default is a 16:9 image from the get go. If I were to have a 2.35:1 screeen would I be able to mess with the lens memory functions of this projector and stretch the image to fill that 2.35:1 screen?
I am guessing I would have to stretch the sides and squeeze the top/bottom of the image to look proportionate?
Or is this not possible at all?
I know the image is a 16:9 image but would be cool if you could fill a 2.35:1 screen even if it is not a true 2.35:1 source!
Would love to hear from Panny 4000 owners or even 7000 owners also since lens memory was a feature in those projectors as well.
Thanks!

Not directly with the Panasonic or any projector for that matter. But BrolicBeast demonstrated that with a Lumagen Mini 3D ($1500 though) you can not only do CIH cinemascope with ***ANY*** projector but you can also stretch a 16:9 image to fill the 2.35 screen and make it look natural.

I'm saving up for a Lumagen right now and then I am probably going to sell my 7000u for an Epson 5020e when they come out because of the brighter 3d, better warranty service, and sharp picture. Plus I can't stand the adjustment knob on the Panasonic PT-AE7000u.
post #318 of 497
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Probably because noone has one yet...mine will arrive tomorrow.

Same boat here. Frustrating thing is that mine just arrived at my local FedEx depot this morning. Called FedEx and they won't let me pick it up tonight...gotta wait until the attempted delivery tomorrow. Arg...
post #319 of 497
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Originally Posted by User7007 View Post

While we await the reviews of new 8000 owners, I do have a quick question. If I were to have this projector, and fire up the XBOX 360 and play some Modern Warfare 3, I know this image by default is a 16:9 image from the get go. If I were to have a 2.35:1 screeen would I be able to mess with the lens memory functions of this projector and stretch the image to fill that 2.35:1 screen?
I am guessing I would have to stretch the sides and squeeze the top/bottom of the image to look proportionate?
Or is this not possible at all?
I know the image is a 16:9 image but would be cool if you could fill a 2.35:1 screen even if it is not a true 2.35:1 source!
Would love to hear from Panny 4000 owners or even 7000 owners also since lens memory was a feature in those projectors as well.
Thanks!

Been gaming on my 4000u for 3 years now and what you describe above is not possible...nor preferable IMHO. You could use the zoom function to fill the screen, but the top and/or bottom of your image will be above and/or below your screen. I have a 2.35 screen and the reality is as soon as I'm deep in a game, you don't even realize the extra width is there. I get giddy just gaming on a projector and the 16:9 is glorious into itself...don't need 2.35. Although one REALLY annoying thing is if you get a game that has load screens that fill mainly the middle of the screen (I had a Need For Speed that did this)...load screen hits, projector THINKS it's 2.35, zooms in, then the game starts and you have to wait for it to zoom back. For games like this you land up having to shut off the auto-detect feature.
post #320 of 497
IQ22 - Thanks for the reply, that gives me an idea of what to expect. Sounds like I will still go with the 2.35:1 Screen and just leave the 16:9 gaming as is which should be fine.

Also good to know that I will want to "Disable" the Auto Detect feature on some games that goto a 2.35:1 type cutscene.

Thanks, that gives me an idea of what to expect. Much Appreciated!
post #321 of 497
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Been gaming on my 4000u for 3 years now and what you describe above is not possible...nor preferable IMHO. You could use the zoom function to fill the screen, but the top and/or bottom of your image will be above and/or below your screen. I have a 2.35 screen and the reality is as soon as I'm deep in a game, you don't even realize the extra width is there. I get giddy just gaming on a projector and the 16:9 is glorious into itself...don't need 2.35. Although one REALLY annoying thing is if you get a game that has load screens that fill mainly the middle of the screen (I had a Need For Speed that did this)...load screen hits, projector THINKS it's 2.35, zooms in, then the game starts and you have to wait for it to zoom back. For games like this you land up having to shut off the auto-detect feature.

It's actually possible with an expensive add-on called the Lumagen. Here is a video of BrolicBeast who also posts on here. He demoes a game and also avatar in 2.35 format. The lumagen does something with the pixels that allows it to stretch without looking stretched. It's pretty pricey though, but I'm saving to buy one to try it out for myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwF7nYe-YzM
post #322 of 497
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Originally Posted by dmoneyman2323 View Post

It's actually possible with an expensive add-on called the Lumagen. Here is a video of BrolicBeast who also posts on here. He demoes a game and also avatar in 2.35 format. The lumagen does something with the pixels that allows it to stretch without looking stretched. It's pretty pricey though, but I'm saving to buy one to try it out for myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwF7nYe-YzM

The game at the end definitely looks stretched horizontally. You can tell by comparing the rails to the left side before/after the transition.

It looks like it is similar to what my DLP does in "panorama mode" for 4:3 content in 16:9 mode, although this looks to be smoother than what my TV can do.
post #323 of 497
Their is no way to make a 16:9 fit a 2.35 screen with out making it look stretched, don't care how expensive your equipment is. It just isn't fixically possible with out cutting of the top and bottom.
post #324 of 497
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Originally Posted by dmoneyman2323 View Post

It's actually possible with an expensive add-on called the Lumagen. Here is a video of BrolicBeast who also posts on here. He demoes a game and also avatar in 2.35 format. The lumagen does something with the pixels that allows it to stretch without looking stretched. It's pretty pricey though, but I'm saving to buy one to try it out for myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwF7nYe-YzM

Sorry...should have clarified...not possible with the built in capabilities!
post #325 of 497
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Same boat here. Frustrating thing is that mine just arrived at my local FedEx depot this morning. Called FedEx and they won't let me pick it up tonight...gotta wait until the attempted delivery tomorrow. Arg...

I received mine yesterday. I'm still in the process of cleaning up my basement from wiring and getting the receiver and speakers hooked back up, but I did mount the projector last night to the ceiling and started basic adjustments with zoom and the lens shift feature. I hooked up my Panasonic blu-ray player (latest model) to the projector and fired up Avengers...and adjusted from there. I plan on using the test pattern tonight to optimize the screen, etc., yet any tips would be appreciated...as a noob with a projector, I'm flipping through the manual and reading these forums, etc.

I'll also be attaching the Xbox 360 and firing up some games as well.

Attached are some quick snaps from my Samsung Epic phone that I took while I was un-boxing and mounting the projector with the Peerless mount from Amazon (still cannot believe the official Panasonic mount is $500...that is insane).









post #326 of 497
Nice Froot!

Definitely do let us know about the input lag.

Additionally if you would like to take some videos and have the equipment to do so, showing the input lag, I could help you do that as far as guide you, since I recently did it for my monitor and DLP.

Let me know if you would like any help with that.
post #327 of 497
niiice! can't wait for the in depth reviews to start coming.. kind of surprised none of the projector sites have posted a mini reviews (other than impressions from CEDIA) by now. its going to be hard to decide to wait for the epson 5020 for another month.. i'd love to see the head to head reviews of these 2 before pulling the trigger..
post #328 of 497
the 5020 and 3020 are supposed to ship this month..the 6020 is november!! hopefully a shootout soon as I cancelled my 8000 order after reading the small review from trusted reviews that dejavu posted on the 8000 and 6020.
post #329 of 497
I'm having trouble getting a reply from the guy on Ebay who sells the kind of ceiling mount I have, so I wonder if one of you could answer this question --

Given the CAD file for the ae8000u, located here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEILING-PROJECTOR-MOUNT-PANASONIC-PT-AE700U-/380252624725?pt=US_Projector_Mounts_Stands&hash=item5888d29755

...is the ae8000u's mounting hole configuration identical to any of the following Panasonic models (for which mounts are available from that guy on Ebay):
AX100U
AE300U
AE500U
AE700U
AE900U
L300U
L500U

I know that's an obnoxious question, but if anyone can find out that one of those is a match, it'll save me a lot of time. Otherwise I'll have to figure out how to fabricate one of those metal plates myself.
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