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post #331 of 497
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Originally Posted by dagameballa View Post

the 5020 and 3020 are supposed to ship this month..the 6020 is november!! hopefully a shootout soon as I cancelled my 8000 order after reading the small review from trusted reviews that dejavu posted on the 8000 and 6020.

Got a link for that?
post #332 of 497
http://epson.ipressroom.com/pr/epson/epson-unveils-its-latest-2d-and-238167.aspx


I have read so much on both the 5020 and the 8000...I dont remember which site I read it from...but it said...3020 and 5020 in october and 6020 in november
Edited by dagameballa - 10/2/12 at 6:52pm
post #333 of 497
http://gdgt.com/epson/



5020 october!!!!
post #334 of 497
I received my 8000 yesterday. It replaced the 7000 that was quickly snatched up on Ebay last night. smile.gif The mounting holes appear to be identical to the 7000, as my old mount was a perfect fit. Focus seems to be a little bit tighter than my 7000, but YMMV.

I ran it for about four hours last night. I mainly watched hi-def cable (ESPN Sports Center, Dallas vs Chicago game). The wife, who is usually not impressed with my video "upgrades", immediately commented on how much brighter the picture was and that the colors looked much better. I agree. Noticiable improvement in both areas.

I also played around with 3D video a little too. I first watched the first thirty minutes of Avengers. I found that 3D "mode 2" looked really good and really didn't notice any crosstalk. This evening, I popped in Despicable Me and immediately saw ghosting everywhere. After playing around with different 3D settings, I stumbled upon a fine adjustment that removed almost all the ghosting in the first 30 minutes of the movie (that's all I watched, bc I had to attended to other matters...) The only ghosting that I know it didn't correct was in the opening title. I did back-track and pause the movie on the opening title and played with the same fine tuning controls to remove the ghosting there too. While I was successful, those settings mucked up the rest of the movie.

Overall, I'm a happy camper and look forward to put some more hours on this unit.

Also, I don't own a CRT, so I have no way to measure lag... and I have not seen any evidence of flickering, but then I never saw it on my 7000 either (which had 588 hours on it).

Tim
post #335 of 497
Tim, what brand and model of Blu-ray player are you using? I had a pt-ae7000, which I've sold also online so that I can upgrade to 8000, and I was using Panasonic DMP-BDT500 and I had almost no crosstalk. Maybe it depends on the blu ray player or Despicable Me. I don't own Despicable Me so I can't comment. My 8000 has arrived but unfortunately I'm out of town and won't be able to set it up until tomorrow. Can't wait!!!
post #336 of 497
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Originally Posted by Francis Medina View Post

Tim, what brand and model of Blu-ray player are you using? I had a pt-ae7000, which I've sold also online so that I can upgrade to 8000, and I was using Panasonic DMP-BDT500 and I had almost no crosstalk. Maybe it depends on the blu ray player or Despicable Me. I don't own Despicable Me so I can't comment. My 8000 has arrived but unfortunately I'm out of town and won't be able to set it up until tomorrow. Can't wait!!!

I have an Oppo BDP-93. Despicable Me is one of the few movies that I ever saw crosstalk. Except for the opening title, most of the crosstalk is barely visible. Never noticed it much in other 3D movies that I own.
post #337 of 497
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Originally Posted by Aggies#1 View Post

I received my 8000 yesterday. It replaced the 7000 that was quickly snatched up on Ebay last night. smile.gif The mounting holes appear to be identical to the 7000, as my old mount was a perfect fit. Focus seems to be a little bit tighter than my 7000, but YMMV.
I ran it for about four hours last night. I mainly watched hi-def cable (ESPN Sports Center, Dallas vs Chicago game). The wife, who is usually not impressed with my video "upgrades", immediately commented on how much brighter the picture was and that the colors looked much better. I agree. Noticiable improvement in both areas.
I also played around with 3D video a little too. I first watched the first thirty minutes of Avengers. I found that 3D "mode 2" looked really good and really didn't notice any crosstalk. This evening, I popped in Despicable Me and immediately saw ghosting everywhere. After playing around with different 3D settings, I stumbled upon a fine adjustment that removed almost all the ghosting in the first 30 minutes of the movie (that's all I watched, bc I had to attended to other matters...) The only ghosting that I know it didn't correct was in the opening title. I did back-track and pause the movie on the opening title and played with the same fine tuning controls to remove the ghosting there too. While I was successful, those settings mucked up the rest of the movie.
Overall, I'm a happy camper and look forward to put some more hours on this unit.
Also, I don't own a CRT, so I have no way to measure lag... and I have not seen any evidence of flickering, but then I never saw it on my 7000 either (which had 588 hours on it).
Tim

Sent ya a PM about something!
Edited by purbeast - 10/3/12 at 7:54am
post #338 of 497
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Originally Posted by Aggies#1 View Post

The wife, who is usually not impressed with my video "upgrades", immediately commented on how much brighter the picture was and that the colors looked much better. I agree. Noticiable improvement in both areas.

Tim
So, do you confirm the information from PC, that brightness increase between AE8000 and AE7000 is more than 20%?
Cinema 2 - 1612lm vs 1089lm
Normal - 1752 vs 1300
Dynamic - 2471 vs 1685
post #339 of 497
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Originally Posted by Yusuf.0088 View Post

So, do you confirm the information from PC, that brightness increase between AE8000 and AE7000 is more than 20%?
Cinema 2 - 1612lm vs 1089lm
Normal - 1752 vs 1300
Dynamic - 2471 vs 1685


Sorry, I don't have the equipment to do such measurements.
post #340 of 497
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Originally Posted by Aggies#1 View Post

I received my 8000 yesterday. The wife, who is usually not impressed with my video "upgrades", immediately commented on how much brighter the picture was and that the colors looked much better. I agree. Noticiable improvement in both areas.
Tim
i agree with your wife. No doubt she is wondering why it took Panasonic so many years to release a decent projector. Now its Sony's turn.
post #341 of 497
Our new 8000 just arrived, upgrading from the 7000. Unfortunately I won't be the fastest with the reviews though, needing some time to spend with all the various settings and calibration equipment. Like speakers, I find projectors need a little break in and an adjustment to how you're using them to fully appreciate what they're capable of. The 30-minute freshly fired up quick reviews are too much like getting your news via Twitter.

Cheers,
Chris
post #342 of 497
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Originally Posted by dagameballa View Post

the 5020 and 3020 are supposed to ship this month..the 6020 is november!! hopefully a shootout soon as I cancelled my 8000 order after reading the small review from trusted reviews that dejavu posted on the 8000 and 6020.

Which review are you referring to? Why the cancellation? Was there a bonus on the 6020 noted?

I see this short, yet glowing, review:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-pt-at6000e_Projector_review
post #343 of 497
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Originally Posted by afurdell View Post

I'm having trouble getting a reply from the guy on Ebay who sells the kind of ceiling mount I have, so I wonder if one of you could answer this question --
Given the CAD file for the ae8000u, located here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CEILING-PROJECTOR-MOUNT-PANASONIC-PT-AE700U-/380252624725?pt=US_Projector_Mounts_Stands&hash=item5888d29755
...is the ae8000u's mounting hole configuration identical to any of the following Panasonic models (for which mounts are available from that guy on Ebay):
AX100U
AE300U
AE500U
AE700U
AE900U
L300U
L500U
I know that's an obnoxious question, but if anyone can find out that one of those is a match, it'll save me a lot of time. Otherwise I'll have to figure out how to fabricate one of those metal plates myself.

That eBay posting looks iffy...just based on having to say that it is "top quality" and have splashes of bright pink.

I'd go with the Peerless mount. I used it on my 8000 and it worked like a champ and had great adjustments for both pitch and yaw (good ol' flyin' terms there.... biggrin.gif ).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TXNS6G/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00
post #344 of 497
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Originally Posted by chriscmore View Post

Our new 8000 just arrived, upgrading from the 7000. Unfortunately I won't be the fastest with the reviews though, needing some time to spend with all the various settings and calibration equipment. Like speakers, I find projectors need a little break in and an adjustment to how you're using them to fully appreciate what they're capable of. The 30-minute freshly fired up quick reviews are too much like getting your news via Twitter.
Cheers,
Chris

As a new projection owner, what tweaks do you suggest I look into...or what approach do you use? I'd like to learn and have a point in the right direction...not hand-holding, per se.

:DThanks.
post #345 of 497
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Originally Posted by Froot View Post

That eBay posting looks iffy...just based on having to say that it is "top quality" and have splashes of bright pink.

Yeah, pretty awful, but I've had one of those mounts for the last 4 years or so, and it does the job. There's no magic to it, the parts are all really simple, so it's easy to see why it works. It was definitely more reliable than the Epson 8500ub it was holding up for the last 2.5 years.

Anyway, I gave up on that guy and called my friend who has a laser cutter. He cut me a couple pieces of sturdy, thick acrylic that conform to the CAD sheet, so if the acrylic's holes line up with the projector's, I'll be good to go as soon as it arrives. It's good to have friends with lasers.
post #346 of 497
Yep..thats the short review froot...


but it was this one that made me cancel..

http://www.trustedreviews.com/epson-eh-tw9100_Projector_review
Edited by dagameballa - 10/3/12 at 11:48am
post #347 of 497
After Reading Aggie #1's Post on Crosstalk and what DVD Players were used etc, in regards to Crosstalk with this new Panasonic 8000 Projector, I wanted to see if someone has used their PS3 as their primary Blu-Ray player with the previous model 7000 and if there were any issues using that as the DVD player? Would love to hear from any Panasonic 7000u owners who now have a 8000u and use a PS3 to play thier #D Blu Rays and if Crosstalk is an issue...

Thanks!
post #348 of 497
The Germans are impressed with the 8000:
"...that working the detail enhancement (detail clarity) now available in 3D, or the new "3D motion remaster" function, or the increased contrast, and of course the increased brightness, the GA. the 3D benefit. This made me the fluid of movements, the absolutely clean separation of image and convinces the high brightness (in dynamic mode). Subjectively, the 3D image was even brighter than in the TW9100, but that does of course not properly compare. Worked for me the image in any case fully convincing, so that I now have to buy the PT AT6000.

The Epson:
(frame interpolation FI) and resolution enhancement (Super resolution) only in 2D mode"
----

Ekkehart (cine4home) tested a preproduction unit "and are regarded only as preliminary evidence!
The comfort was increased (lens memory also in 3D) and the picture quality in various details increased (sharpness, gamma). With a light increase of around 20% of PT AT6000 is noticeably brighter. The advantages for 3D are obvious, but by winning light, the device is still Wohnraumtauglicher, so he offers an impressive quality that can optimally be irritated by the various modes in not completely darkened rooms as a TV replacement for games and sports.

Very good colors, detailed appearance, bright and contrast image composition, 3D artifact-poor, all-in-all gave a very impressive first impression the Panasonic PT-AT6000 for our common afternoon and this is known to be the most important. But it is important to examine many details in the final test, so it remains exciting, until we reach the first series devices."
---

Its obvious that these are the products that should have been released last year. In fact Sony is now only releasing its x-reality/CR processing in its ES line for any projector priced under $25k. Their LCD line has had x-reality processing since 1997 rolleyes.gif

Of the three projectors,the new Epson has the least amount of improvements this year. The reviews in the next couple of months should provide excellent guidance to make an informed decision.
post #349 of 497
Can anyone help with the set up of an Xbox 360? I got my 8000 yesterday and played around with blu-rays and Directv. Everything was great, very sharp picture. Tonight I turned on the 360 and the picture was blurry and in 4:3. Strange because I didn't change anything on the Xbox set up since changing projectors. The component cable from the Xbox goes into the receiver, and the receiver connects to the projector with a regular video cable. Same as with my old projector.

In the Xbox menu I was able to change the 4:3 to 16:9. Again, strange since I didn't change that setting. Still messing with the Xbox menu I found a section for HDTV Settings. My current setting is 480p, which I assume is the reason for the blurry picture. I tried changing it to 720 and 1080, the screen goes blue for 10 seconds then back to the menu with 480 as my current setting. It says if the picture doesn't appear within 10 seconds it reverts to the 480 setting. And it tells me the "360 component HD AV cable is currently set to TV." Apparently there's an actual switch on the back on this cable to select TV or HDTV. I honestly had no idea that switch was there and don't believe I've ever touched it. I tried switching it to HDTV but then I had no input to the projector at all. I even tried changing my output from the receiver to the projector to HDMI, still no signal detected by the projector.

So what gives? All I did was unplug the inputs from my old Sony pj and connect them to the 8000.

On another note, man this thing is bright. I may have to get a bigger screen biggrin.gif.
post #350 of 497
Unless I'm mistaken you need to go HDMI out of the Xbox into the receiver, then hdmi out to the pj.. Didn't sound like that's what you r doing?
post #351 of 497
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Originally Posted by Gjlloyd View Post

Unless I'm mistaken you need to go HDMI out of the Xbox into the receiver, then hdmi out to the pj.. Didn't sound like that's what you r doing?

Is HDMI out of the xbox even an option? I thought it was only the component cable that came with it. But this was plug n play when I got it several years ago, so I've never really messed with it. Never had to. But at any rate, it worked great with my old pj so I'm not sure what would have changed.
post #352 of 497
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Originally Posted by manning99 View Post

Is HDMI out of the xbox even an option?

The very old, prone-to-red-ring-of-death XBoxes didn't have HDMI out, but later versions (which fixed the RROD issue via a smaller, cooler GPU) did. Look for the HDMI port right next to the much bigger port that you're currently using -- you'll have to unplug the big Xbox cable to see it, because the ports are so close together and the end of the cable has so much extra rubber on it. (Obviously, the new slim model has HDMI out.)

While you're down there, check the cable you're using. It has a somewhat-sensitive HD/SD switch at the end that plugs into the XBox...that could have been turned to SD by accident. ** EDIT ** oh, I see you found that already. Setting your receiver to HDMI-out didn't work, because receivers don't like to go from non-HDMI inputs to HDMI output.

OK, so for whatever reason your cable was set to SD, and switching it to HD didn't work. You said your receiver is connected to your PJ with a "regular video cable" -- do you mean a VGA cable? Like just the one cable with the yellow head? You'll not get a good picture with that..
Edited by afurdell - 10/3/12 at 4:15pm
post #353 of 497
Hififun...if your gonna post something quoting what someone else said...would you mind posting the WHOLE thing instead of just part of it?

-the EH TW9100 still dominated the intermediate image calculation (frame interpolation FI) and resolution enhancement (Super resolution) only in 2D mode

it's been made clear this year that all the options in 2d are available in 3d this year as well on the epsons
don't be misinforming to people still trying to make a decision as I am
they are available in 3d mode...only dominated in 2d mode.

and this was just a user opinion..not a pro review at all...
I'm still undecided what projector I'm going with..but truthful info helps..not just the bits and peices you want to show.

aggies#1 thanks for the short but honest quick review!
Edited by dagameballa - 10/3/12 at 4:20pm
post #354 of 497
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Originally Posted by dagameballa View Post

Hififun...if your gonna post something quoting what someone else said...would you mind posting the WHOLE thing instead of just part of it?
-the EH TW9100 still dominated the intermediate image calculation (frame interpolation FI) and resolution enhancement (Super resolution) only in 2D mode
and this was just a user opinion..not a pro review at all...
I'm still undecided what projector I'm going with..but truthful info helps..not just the bits and peices you want to show.
What do you mean by it "dominated he intermediate image calculation"?
Do the new Epsons not offer CFI or super resolution in 3D!?
post #355 of 497
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Originally Posted by User7007 View Post

After Reading Aggie #1's Post on Crosstalk and what DVD Players were used etc, in regards to Crosstalk with this new Panasonic 8000 Projector, I wanted to see if someone has used their PS3 as their primary Blu-Ray player with the previous model 7000 and if there were any issues using that as the DVD player? Would love to hear from any Panasonic 7000u owners who now have a 8000u and use a PS3 to play thier #D Blu Rays and if Crosstalk is an issue...
Thanks!

a specific 3D BD player has little to do with visible crosstalk. The projector either handles it well, or it doesn't.

There are various controls on some players that allow parallax changes, but these should not be touched since it only masks the issue if ghosting is present. I have 6 different devices that can play back 3D movies (3 BD players, 2 network media devices, 1 HTPC) - you won't find any obvious difference in 3D performance between these devices.

historically, opinions on 3D performance are all over the place. Some see the ghosting, others don't, etc. There is only 1 way to objectively capture the 3D performance of a projector and that is with screenshots of 3D through one of the lens on the glasses. This was done by some members in the 7000 thread and hopefully will be done this year on the 8000 to show how it performs in 3D compared to the other models.
post #356 of 497
yes they are available in 3d...hififun only quoted half of the sentance from that webpage....yes that stuff is available in 3d..it was more domitaing only in 2d....
post #357 of 497
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Originally Posted by afurdell View Post

The very old, prone-to-red-ring-of-death XBoxes didn't have HDMI out, but later versions (which fixed the RROD issue via a smaller, cooler GPU) did. Look for the HDMI port right next to the much bigger port that you're currently using -- you'll have to unplug the big Xbox cable to see it, because the ports are so close together and the end of the cable has so much extra rubber on it. (Obviously, the new slim model has HDMI out.)
While you're down there, check the cable you're using. It has a somewhat-sensitive HD/SD switch at the end that plugs into the XBox...that could have been turned to SD by accident. ** EDIT ** oh, I see you found that already. Setting your receiver to HDMI-out didn't work, because receivers don't like to go from non-HDMI inputs to HDMI output.
OK, so for whatever reason your cable was set to SD, and switching it to HD didn't work. You said your receiver is connected to your PJ with a "regular video cable" -- do you mean a VGA cable? Like just the one cable with the yellow head? You'll not get a good picture with that..

Yes, it is a vga cable. What I can't understand is that it's been that way for years and the picture has been good. Not blu-ray good, but way, way better than it was tonight.
post #358 of 497
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Originally Posted by manning99 View Post

Yes, it is a vga cable. What I can't understand is that it's been that way for years and the picture has been good. Not blu-ray good, but way, way better than it was tonight.

I can't say why it was better before. It's possible that the 8000 does a worse job with composite input than your old PJ -- personally I only use composite input on devices where I have no other option, like old VCRs. When you pass it through your receiver and the signal moves from component cables to composite, it's getting downgraded pretty severely. Just swapping out the composite cable from your receiver for component cables will make a big difference. But you'll be even better off if you have HDMI all the way from the Xbox to the PJ. If you still have a blurry picture with HDMI cables, I'll be surprised.
post #359 of 497
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Originally Posted by afurdell View Post

The very old, prone-to-red-ring-of-death XBoxes didn't have HDMI out, but later versions (which fixed the RROD issue via a smaller, cooler GPU) did. Look for the HDMI port right next to the much bigger port that you're currently using -- you'll have to unplug the big Xbox cable to see it, because the ports are so close together and the end of the cable has so much extra rubber on it. (Obviously, the new slim model has HDMI out.)
While you're down there, check the cable you're using. It has a somewhat-sensitive HD/SD switch at the end that plugs into the XBox...that could have been turned to SD by accident. ** EDIT ** oh, I see you found that already. Setting your receiver to HDMI-out didn't work, because receivers don't like to go from non-HDMI inputs to HDMI output.
OK, so for whatever reason your cable was set to SD, and switching it to HD didn't work. You said your receiver is connected to your PJ with a "regular video cable" -- do you mean a VGA cable? Like just the one cable with the yellow head? You'll not get a good picture with that..

You were exactly right, there was an hdmi port under the big xbox cable. So now I'm running hdmi from xbox to receiver, hdmi from receiver to projcetor. Picture is fabulous. So far I'm very impressed with the picture quality from all sources on the 8000, haven't tried standard dvd yet though.

Stupid question though, and yes, there is such a thing as a stupid question. It occurred to me that I've never passes any visuals through the receiver. I've always run sound through the receiver and picture straight from source to pj. So now I have no sound with the xbox. As I said, picture's great, but no sound. I've never had this issue as all my other sources have separate audio and video output. The huge xbox cable makes it impossible to do both separately.
post #360 of 497
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Originally Posted by manning99 View Post

You were exactly right, there was an hdmi port under the big xbox cable. So now I'm running hdmi from xbox to receiver, hdmi from receiver to projcetor. Picture is fabulous. So far I'm very impressed with the picture quality from all sources on the 8000, haven't tried standard dvd yet though.
Stupid question though, and yes, there is such a thing as a stupid question. It occurred to me that I've never passes any visuals through the receiver. I've always run sound through the receiver and picture straight from source to pj. So now I have no sound with the xbox. As I said, picture's great, but no sound. I've never had this issue as all my other sources have separate audio and video output. The huge xbox cable makes it impossible to do both separately.

well HDMI carries audio and video.. so if you aren't getting sound i'd say you've got some config/setting issue with your receiver. what receiver to you have?

or perhaps you have to tell the xbox how to output the audio.
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