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post #391 of 496
10/4/12 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by tlogan6797 View Post

gnolivos -
It's based on content.
For example, using a 2.35 screen:
You set up a screen size for 16:9 such that the image takes up the entire height of the screen with black bars on the side.
You set up a screen size for 2.35 such that the image takes up the entire height AND width of the screen. To do this, you need to zoom out and refocus the lens.
When playing a disc, if it is in 16:9, you get the image with the bars on the side. When the aspect ratio changes to 2.35, the projector automatically zooms out and refocuses so that the image takes up the entire screen. And vice versa, from 2.35, it zooms and refocuses to 16:9.
Now, if I could only find a way to stop it from displaying "PROCESSING" while it's doing it.

I have an ae4000 with a 2.35 screen and really, this is a wonderful feature. When playing a 2:35 blu ray, then going to a 16 X 9 football broadcast, then an internet streaming Netflix at 2.35 --- everything happens automatically. It's really cool, like the curtains moving wider in the theater back when Cinemascope first came out... Until Epson gets that feature, there is no chance I would prefer at Epson projector to a Panasonic. I am really sorry to hear it does not occur for 3D material on the AE8000 (which I was about to order).

Has anyone noticed the sound output of the ae8000 versus the ae4000? I notice projector noise, and the ae4000 is very quiet versus the older Sanyo projector I had or those I used to use to give business presentations with.
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post #392 of 496
10/4/12 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

Thanks for the explanation mate. That's pretty awesome!
I only wish projector panels had the ability to completely mask 'unused' pixels. Either turn them off altogether, or mask them physically... anyway, I know why that is near impossible to do under current LCD/DLP technology on PJs , with the lightpaths and all... but still, one can dream.

Again, I have only 3 year old technology.... the Panasonic AE4000... but even with it the masking on the unit is fairly good for 2.35 material... you select which lines to completely black out... When the room is totally dark except for the projector, only on Very dark scenes, slightly lighter areas can be seen on my white ceiling from where the top of the lcd panel is projected when zoomed to the 2.35 mode.... I have a high power screen (gain 2.4) so that may minimize what I see outside the screen... but really I have to look hard to notice any light on the top fringe that projects off the screen. Below the screen is a mantel and I see no light there.
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post #393 of 496
10/4/12 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by tlogan6797 View Post


Now, if I could only find a way to stop it from displaying "PROCESSING" while it's doing it.

Best feature of the new 8000U...you can turn it OFF!!!!!!!
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post #394 of 496
10/4/12 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by sblack010 View Post

GAMING on the AE8000
I replaced my epson 5010 with the panasonic AE8000 so that is the only comparison I have. I don't have the equipment to measure the lag but I can give my initial impressions after a couple of hours playing halo reach in game mode. First, it is significantly better than the 5010 which I would say was unplayable. The 8000 was playable, however, the lag on the 8000 was still noticeable. It was not to the point where I didn't enjoy playing the game anymore or to the point of wanting to throw the controller across the room. Also, I felt like I started to get used to it after a while and subconsciously correct for it (I also lowered the controller sensitivity which helped). I played campaign for a bit and while it was a little harder to get a head shot, I still managed fine with the 8000 (head shots were close to impossible on the 5010). Next I played some multiplayer and things went better than I thought they would. First, I would describe myself as a casual player with decent skills (1.05 kill death ratio) and I generally come out of a match with positive kills. I also will use this projector 40% for gaming and 60% for movies. In my time playing multiplayer on the 8000, I stayed positive for the most part but there were a couple of one on one battles each match that I lost that I felt like I would have normally won. Overall, I love the 8000 for the great 2D/3D and pretty good gaming (for a projector). If you are a hardcore gamer and only care about gaming on a projector, I would keep looking.

I'm assuming you were playing in game mode? Thanks for the great feedback.. How would you rate the 2d/3d picture vs your 5010?
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post #395 of 496
10/4/12 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by sblack010 View Post

GAMING on the AE8000
I replaced my epson 5010 with the panasonic AE8000 so that is the only comparison I have. I don't have the equipment to measure the lag but I can give my initial impressions after a couple of hours playing halo reach in game mode. First, it is significantly better than the 5010 which I would say was unplayable. The 8000 was playable, however, the lag on the 8000 was still noticeable. It was not to the point where I didn't enjoy playing the game anymore or to the point of wanting to throw the controller across the room. Also, I felt like I started to get used to it after a while and subconsciously correct for it (I also lowered the controller sensitivity which helped). I played campaign for a bit and while it was a little harder to get a head shot, I still managed fine with the 8000 (head shots were close to impossible on the 5010). Next I played some multiplayer and things went better than I thought they would. First, I would describe myself as a casual player with decent skills (1.05 kill death ratio) and I generally come out of a match with positive kills. I also will use this projector 40% for gaming and 60% for movies. In my time playing multiplayer on the 8000, I stayed positive for the most part but there were a couple of one on one battles each match that I lost that I felt like I would have normally won. Overall, I love the 8000 for the great 2D/3D and pretty good gaming (for a projector). If you are a hardcore gamer and only care about gaming on a projector, I would keep looking.
sblack...comparing this to your 5010 does the new panny8000 seem to handle motion better than the 5010?
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post #396 of 496
10/4/12 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by Gjlloyd View Post

I'm assuming you were playing in game mode? Thanks for the great feedback.. How would you rate the 2d/3d picture vs your 5010?

Yes, I was playing in game mode. I don't have a good sense of how the picture compares since I have not calibrated the 8000 yet. I will say that I have the projector mounted in the back of the room about 21' from the screen and 5010 seemed to be a little bit brighter.

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sblack...comparing this to your 5010 does the new panny8000 seem to handle motion better than the 5010?

Yes, it does seem to handle the motion better.
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post #397 of 496
10/4/12 at 4:22pm
Sorry, "5010 seemed to be a little bit" brighter
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post #398 of 496
10/5/12 at 1:15am
You can turn off the annoying "PROCESSING" message? Really?? That's great news!

I just ordered this projector to replace my 4000U. It shipped out yesterday. I will receive it on Monday. What about Auto Detect with 3D content?
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post #399 of 496
10/5/12 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by IQ22 View Post

Best feature of the new 8000U...you can turn it OFF!!!!!!!
How many seconds is it proccessing?
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post #400 of 496
10/5/12 at 5:22am
I'm happy for all those new owners enjoying their new pj. But I'm still anxious to hear from a 7000 owner regarding any improvements in reducing crosstalk.
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post #401 of 496
10/5/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by JamesN View Post

I'm happy for all those new owners enjoying their new pj. But I'm still anxious to hear from a 7000 owner regarding any improvements in reducing crosstalk.

I think that's the question everyone wants to know. The 'through the lens' screenshots are the only objective way of comparing the various models 3D performance like I did in the mini 3D shootout thread.
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post #402 of 496
10/5/12 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I think that's the question everyone wants to know. The 'through the lens' screenshots are the only objective way of comparing the various models 3D performance like I did in the mini 3D shootout thread.

Hi, Jason.
Will we see AE8000 in shootout vol.2? That would be great!
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post #403 of 496
10/5/12 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by Yusuf.0088 View Post

Hi, Jason.
Will we see AE8000 in shootout vol.2? That would be great!

Not likely, I have access to the majority of the new projectors except the 8000. Hopefully someone else can run through the 3D screenshots, it's not hard to do.
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post #404 of 496
10/5/12 at 8:14am
thought others might be interested in this recent (oct 1) video review of the european model (PTAT6000E), its in german (i think) but they do have some video in a dark environment.. be sure to set the youtube setting to 1080p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7zRVV6jPfc
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post #405 of 496
10/5/12 at 11:42am
Hey Jason..when do you think shooutout 2 will happen?
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post #406 of 496
10/5/12 at 2:44pm
Thanks for this info. A little disappointing to me. I have a Sanyo Z2000 with totally unperceptable lag with hardcore FPS gaming (Mainly Bad Company 2 on PS3). Im super sensitive to this stuff. minor lag just drives me crazy. I'll wait and see what Epson X020 has to offer in this regard, but I have little hope.
The Pana may well be my next PJ.

Can you comment on the difference in the feeling of 'lag' between regular modes and the Gaming mode please?

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Originally Posted by sblack010 View Post

GAMING on the AE8000
I replaced my epson 5010 with the panasonic AE8000 so that is the only comparison I have. I don't have the equipment to measure the lag but I can give my initial impressions after a couple of hours playing halo reach in game mode. First, it is significantly better than the 5010 which I would say was unplayable. The 8000 was playable, however, the lag on the 8000 was still noticeable. It was not to the point where I didn't enjoy playing the game anymore or to the point of wanting to throw the controller across the room. Also, I felt like I started to get used to it after a while and subconsciously correct for it (I also lowered the controller sensitivity which helped). I played campaign for a bit and while it was a little harder to get a head shot, I still managed fine with the 8000 (head shots were close to impossible on the 5010). Next I played some multiplayer and things went better than I thought they would. First, I would describe myself as a casual player with decent skills (1.05 kill death ratio) and I generally come out of a match with positive kills. I also will use this projector 40% for gaming and 60% for movies. In my time playing multiplayer on the 8000, I stayed positive for the most part but there were a couple of one on one battles each match that I lost that I felt like I would have normally won. Overall, I love the 8000 for the great 2D/3D and pretty good gaming (for a projector). If you are a hardcore gamer and only care about gaming on a projector, I would keep looking.
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post #407 of 496
10/5/12 at 10:58pm
Have been very happy with my upgrade to ae8000 from ae7000. Most noticeable is the boost in Contrast and Brightness. However, with the boost also comes louder fan noise (than ae7000) especially in Normal mode, so I switched back to Eco. Picture is still very bright! smile.gif Lens Memory can now be loaded in 3D but Auto Switching is greyed out and doesn't work but at least lens memory now works whlle in 3D. "Processing" message can now be turned off when Lens Auto Switching is working. I think it is worth the upgrade and very happy. smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
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post #408 of 496
10/6/12 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by Francis Medina View Post

Have been very happy with my upgrade to ae8000 from ae7000. Most noticeable is the boost in Contrast and Brightness. However, with the boost also comes louder fan noise (than ae7000) especially in Normal mode, so I switched back to Eco. Picture is still very bright! smile.gif Lens Memory can now be loaded in 3D but Auto Switching is greyed out and doesn't work but at least lens memory now works whlle in 3D. "Processing" message can now be turned off when Lens Auto Switching is working. I think it is worth the upgrade and very happy. smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

Does the 8000 appear to exhibit less crosstalk then the 7000 on the same content under the same conditions?
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post #409 of 496
10/6/12 at 6:14am
I just purchased the AE8000 to replace a Mits 4900. I have a Peerless PRG UNV mount that has 4 legs. The AE8000 has 5 mount points for ceiling installation. Can anyone tell me if I can mount it with just 4 points connected and, if so, which 4 points are recommended? Thanks. The picture with the AE8000 is obviously a big improvement over the Mits.
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post #410 of 496
10/6/12 at 7:36am
Francis,
That is really too bad that the fan noise has increased in normal mode. I have an extremely quiet theater room and I don't want to hear any fan noises.

I am about to buy my first projector so I do not know when I would run in eco mode vs normal mode. I have complete light control but there are times when I want to watch a football game with the lights on when we have people over. I dont care as much about fan noise then I guess so I could probably run in normal mode or just watch it on the tiny 65" plasma smile.gif.

I assume you run in eco mode when watching movies in 2d but need normal mode for 3d?
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post #411 of 496
10/6/12 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by Francis Medina View Post

Have been very happy with my upgrade to ae8000 from ae7000. Most noticeable is the boost in Contrast and Brightness. However, with the boost also comes louder fan noise (than ae7000) especially in Normal mode, so I switched back to Eco. Picture is still very bright! smile.gif Lens Memory can now be loaded in 3D but Auto Switching is greyed out and doesn't work but at least lens memory now works whlle in 3D. "Processing" message can now be turned off when Lens Auto Switching is working. I think it is worth the upgrade and very happy. smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
Francis, I asked sblack the same question...in your opinion how does the 8000 handle motion compared to the 7000?
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post #412 of 496
10/6/12 at 7:00pm
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Francis,
That is really too bad that the fan noise has increased in normal mode. I have an extremely quiet theater room and I don't want to hear any fan noises.
I am about to buy my first projector so I do not know when I would run in eco mode vs normal mode. I have complete light control but there are times when I want to watch a football game with the lights on when we have people over. I dont care as much about fan noise then I guess so I could probably run in normal mode

You should be fine in Eco mode. The picture is still very bright. If you put it in Normal mode when watching sports, you probably won't hear the fan since your cheers will drown out the fan noise biggrin.gif.
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Francis, I asked sblack the same question...in your opinion how does the 8000 handle motion compared to the 7000?

I'd say it's very similar to the ae7000.
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post #413 of 496
10/6/12 at 7:33pm
Are you seeing any issues with the dynamic contrast feature (are you noticing the brightness levels pumping up or down at the start of certain shots, particularly when a bright image cuts to a darker or more contrasty one)?
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post #414 of 496
10/7/12 at 11:42am
I hope users this weekend are enjoying their 8000. I expect a full report by Monday! hehehehe
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post #415 of 496
10/7/12 at 5:06pm
I got my 8000 late this week but my theater isnt quite done yet (and I haven't gotten my screen yet). I dont really have any white walls to throw an image onto. but I just couldn't wait any longer!
The only place I could get close is my office: it has off-white walls (they have a slightly beige-yellow tint) and it wasnt completely dark in there, but It looked pretty good nonetheless.
I am quite anxious to see how good it will look in my very-dark theater room with a nice white screen to project on.
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post #416 of 496
10/7/12 at 6:48pm
Is the brighter light output creating lighter black levels or do you find the machine can still produce inky blacks?
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post #417 of 496
10/7/12 at 9:11pm
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I just purchased the AE8000 to replace a Mits 4900. I have a Peerless PRG UNV mount that has 4 legs. The AE8000 has 5 mount points for ceiling installation. Can anyone tell me if I can mount it with just 4 points connected and, if so, which 4 points are recommended? Thanks. The picture with the AE8000 is obviously a big improvement over the Mits.

I installed this exact mount with the 8000 this weekend. I just used the 4 "outside" holes...not sure how you'd mount to the one near the center. I seems sturdy enough...my only concern was it seems wobbly when connected together. Not sure that's normal or not...but it's holding:)
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post #418 of 496
10/8/12 at 6:21am
I wound up doing the same thing, using the 4 outermost holes. Mounting this way seems very stable, with no wobble or movement.
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post #419 of 496
10/8/12 at 9:44am
I didn't see anything in the instructions about how to remove the dust filter for cleaning. Is that something PJs don't need anymore?
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post #420 of 496
10/8/12 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by afurdell View Post

I didn't see anything in the instructions about how to remove the dust filter for cleaning. Is that something PJs don't need anymore?

Instructions are on page 87 of the English Operating Instructions Functional Manual.
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