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New home construction. Trying to figure out which WHA system

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Greetings all. I am in the midst of purchasing a new home (preconstruction) and am wanting to get it wired for WHA.

We would likely need 6 zones (master bedroom + bath, backyard, kitchen, basement, dining room, guest room).

Some other requirements are the Ability to stream from pandora, my NAS, other Internet sources, etc. I'd also like keypads in each zone with metadata display that can also control these input sources.

I've been looking at all sorts of brands but frankly my head is spinning from all the choices.

Since I'm wiring it I will home run all the speakers as well as pull cat5 to all the zones for control.

I've looked at HTD Lync, Nuvo Grand Concerto, Russound, etc.

Any suggestions on any of the above or something I haven't even considered yet?

Thanks much!!
post #2 of 14
Those are the top choices at this point. CEDIA is just a month away, so anything new (aka "coming soon") will get announced there. But you've got the list of players there. Unless we get something more custom-install-styled from Sonos! But you're on the right track - make sure you get the wiring done (and correct), and don't be afraid to over-wire for potential future zones (other bedrooms, garage, etc.).

The HTD is a great value, but has very limited keypad metadata support. NuVo / Russound should be considered with their respective music server/streamer as a "mandatory" part of the system... I chose the NuVo because at the time they were the only ones with digital library w/metadata support (Russound has this now), and I still like the look of the NuVo keypads over Russound.

Jeff
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Those are the top choices at this point. CEDIA is just a month away, so anything new (aka "coming soon") will get announced there. But you've got the list of players there. Unless we get something more custom-install-styled from Sonos! But you're on the right track - make sure you get the wiring done (and correct), and don't be afraid to over-wire for potential future zones (other bedrooms, garage, etc.).
The HTD is a great value, but has very limited keypad metadata support. NuVo / Russound should be considered with their respective music server/streamer as a "mandatory" part of the system... I chose the NuVo because at the time they were the only ones with digital library w/metadata support (Russound has this now), and I still like the look of the NuVo keypads over Russound.
Jeff

Excellent. I just wasn't sure if I was missing anything.

I'm leaning toward Nuvo since their media streamer (although very pricey) seems to do what I want.

The russound c-series with dms doesnt seem to natively do pandora - has to have an airplay source. And I'm not sure if the collage fits my needs since it uses powerline and I'm able to install home run speakers as well as cat 5e.

Am I off base with this assessment?
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by ClemsonJeeper View Post

Excellent. I just wasn't sure if I was missing anything.
I'm leaning toward Nuvo since their media streamer (although very pricey) seems to do what I want.
The russound c-series with dms doesnt seem to natively do pandora - has to have an airplay source. And I'm not sure if the collage fits my needs since it uses powerline and I'm able to install home run speakers as well as cat 5e.
Am I off base with this assessment?

Nope, you're spot on... You can also look at the CasaTunes music server/streamer, which works with NuVo (with a NuVoNet adapter), but also lacks native Pandora...

Jeff
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
Great! Thanks for the info.

I'm sure I'll be posting a bit more when we finalize on the house and I get to find out how much their contracted installer wants to rake me over the coals for what I want to have done.
post #6 of 14
If your control system can handle controlling it then you could look at the Autonomic MMS range too - as a source it will do Pandora, Spotify, your itunes collection etc. We install a lot of them because they are a polished solution. Im just not sure how they integrate with your control solutions - we only do Creston.

Got to be worth a look though!
post #7 of 14
Autonomics mms box is great but it's pricey. Like $4000-$4500. Awesome source package and modules for all the major automation controller brands.


Nuvo I prefer over russound or niles. Mainly because of keypads. I am a dealer for all four brands.

However if you want keypads/touchscreens throughout the house that can also control other things you can skip the niles,russound,nuvo keypads or systems altogether. Why have a nuvo keypad in a bathroom that only does audio control when you can have a touchscreen from an automation brand like RTI for example in that wall that can do the audio plus allow for so much expandability. Lighting control, fan control, video, audio, see the weather and on and on. This solution is going to cost more however but it really opens the door for a much more capable system provided budget allows for it. Wiring to every location you can imagine is so essential in the build phase. Go nuts with cat cable everywhere!! So much easier then after drywalls up. Personally I'd never wire cat 5e anymore. The price gap between that and 6 is so small nowadays it's well worth going with cat 6.


For all in one solutions for sources/amps/zone switchers on a cost basis products like niles/nuvo are hard if not impossible to beat. If you want one touch panel in a room for audio and other needs you'll need a solution like I mentioned.


Let me know if I can be of assistance.
Edited by gerard143 - 8/15/12 at 2:47am
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

...don't be afraid to over-wire for potential future zones (other bedrooms, garage, etc.).
This is very important. Garage, patio, deck, MBa, guest BR, half baths. LR, FR, HT, even if will be wired for 5.1.
post #9 of 14
I had a Russound system in my previous house - I am looking at the NuVo with a VidaBox for the new house. I have everything wired, speakers in place, just waiting for CEDIA to go down until I buy.

Anyone have thoughts on the VidaBox solution?

Agreed that NuVo seems to be the best bang/buck when you consider the 'enhanced' keypad options.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by joshwars View Post

I had a Russound system in my previous house - I am looking at the NuVo with a VidaBox for the new house. I have everything wired, speakers in place, just waiting for CEDIA to go down until I buy.
Anyone have thoughts on the VidaBox solution?
Agreed that NuVo seems to be the best bang/buck when you consider the 'enhanced' keypad options.

Hmmm... Didn't know VidaBox had an audio server with NuVo keypad support - although the website only hints at keypad metadata support. I'll definitely have to swing by at CEDIA to see what the real answer is there. But the weak point appears to be the lack of streaming Internet services (Pandora, Spotify, etc.) that would be a no-go for me. What's the MSRP for the audio server as compared to an MPS4?

Jeff
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Hmmm... Didn't know VidaBox had an audio server with NuVo keypad support - although the website only hints at keypad metadata support. I'll definitely have to swing by at CEDIA to see what the real answer is there. But the weak point appears to be the lack of streaming Internet services (Pandora, Spotify, etc.) that would be a no-go for me. What's the MSRP for the audio server as compared to an MPS4?
Jeff

I was told full meta-data support and I want to say the price was right at $2k? What got me was the meta-data and the slick UI.

http://www.vidabox.com/products_rackserverv2_features_streaming_audio.php

http://www.vidabox.com/multiroom_audioservers_features_interface.php
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by joshwars View Post

I was told full meta-data support and I want to say the price was right at $2k? What got me was the meta-data and the slick UI.
http://www.vidabox.com/products_rackserverv2_features_streaming_audio.php
http://www.vidabox.com/multiroom_audioservers_features_interface.php

Cool. Ok, I see they mention the integration on the hardware compatibility list where they show the NuVoNet adapter. So that's believable... Definitely on my Show Planner!

Jeff
post #13 of 14
Is Vidabox sharing a booth with anyone? I don't see them listed as an exhibitor.

I've always had an interest in Vidabox hardware.
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by Neurorad View Post

Is Vidabox sharing a booth with anyone? I don't see them listed as an exhibitor.
I've always had an interest in Vidabox hardware.

Oh, hadn't gotten that far yet... That's surprising.
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