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post #61 of 137
2/28/13 at 8:31pm
Prometheus II to star Jodi foster and Matthew Mcaonaughy...
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post #62 of 137
3/1/13 at 1:43am
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Prometheus II to star Jodi foster and Matthew Mcaonaughy...
That's wrong, and somehow... right.tongue.gif
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post #63 of 137
3/1/13 at 10:34am
We may see female engineer/s in the next release.
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post #64 of 137
3/1/13 at 8:35pm
Sorry for being late to the party, but ....
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Fellow dudes, LOST was something special. Trust me on this. For 5 seasons it was the smartest and most entertaining, fascinating, thrilling, mind-bending, and coolest show on TV not named 'Battlestar Galactica'. They had a chance to, literally, create the best television show of all time. Then they hit the proverbial wall, and they hit it hard.

It's like they completely changed the writing staff during the hiatus between S-5 & S-6, and the new guys didn't have a clue what the old guys had done. Never seen anything quite like it.

I'll never understand how you fumble the ball at the one yard line when you're soooo close to entertainment immortality. But Lindelof & Cuse somehow managed to do precisely that. frown.gif

It was a classic case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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post #65 of 137
3/1/13 at 11:19pm
I hated that show LOST. My parents kept trying to get me in the same excitement as they did. They always talked about it front of me like it was some spectacle so like a good sport I would sit down with them whenever I'm visiting and many times in my own home but just did not know WTF they saw in this thing. I'm glad they enjoyed but I just hated it. It was worse than a soap opera, they would obviously try to milk everything out tediously and slowly as possible and it ticked the hell out of me when they kept jumping back between the different characters and their story which just made it even more confusing for someone who is not a regular follower. And ther acting was so overly dramatic and everyone was either depressed or down with a frown most of the time it was just bleh and boring. Who needs that melancholy crap all the time, not me.

That right there for me is a failure on to itself. You should NOT have to follow any show in order for you to enjoy it. For instance you can flip on any Friends or Just Shoot Me episode any time, at any year and find some entertainment or amusement from it IMMEDIATELY. That's a sign of good writing and production. Not prodding you along and along then keeping you waiting for the next ep that's BS alright. Now that's just 1 person's opinion so if anyone out there it was their fav show of all time fine good for you. Just want to give my 2 cents when I hear people talking about Lost like it's greatest thing in the world and if you don't like it something's wrong with you.
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post #66 of 137
3/1/13 at 11:47pm
I tried LOST...it lost me with its stupidity.tongue.gif
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post #67 of 137
3/2/13 at 6:59am
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That right there for me is a failure on to itself. You should NOT have to follow any show in order for you to enjoy it. For instance you can flip on any Friends or Just Shoot Me episode any time, at any year and find some entertainment or amusement from it IMMEDIATELY. That's a sign of good writing and production. Not prodding you along and along then keeping you waiting for the next ep that's BS alright. Now that's just 1 person's opinion so if anyone out there it was their fav show of all time fine good for you. Just want to give my 2 cents when I hear people talking about Lost like it's greatest thing in the world and if you don't like it something's wrong with you.

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I tried LOST...it lost me with its stupidity.tongue.gif

Therein lay the problem for you cool dudes. LOST was a serialized show of the first order. Long-form storytelling, each week another chapter in a great, visual novel. The only things I bother with on TV. I couldn't be more diametrically opposed to zoey's love of procedurals, where every week the killer is gradually unmasked in 5 acts (used to be 4 but hey, they've got more stuff to sell now) consisting of 1) The Crime, 2) The Discovery, 3) The first Red Herring (and some clever dialog between colorful and mismatched cop/doc/lawyer partners), 4) The Second Red Herring (with more clever dialog between afore mentioned partners and perhaps some character reveal that constitutes what little story arc there is), and 5) The Confession, where the bad guy, usually one of an unending stream of serial killers, realizes he's been outwitted by the wisecracking partners and confesses his dastardly crime while being hauled off in cuffs to his deserved fate. All wrapped up in a nice red bow. Wash, rinse, repeat next week. CBS has built an entire prime time schedule on this tired formula.

But LOST, now that required some attention be paid. And it was brilliant! smile.gif Ummm, until it wasn't. frown.gif But BSG never faltered -- that was 4 seasons of sustained, thrilling, jaw-dropping excellence. If I'm burning hours of my limited lifetime watching the boob-tube, that's the kind of gripping, long-form, novelized storytelling I'm going to be wasting my life on. wink.gif
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post #68 of 137
3/2/13 at 7:21am
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I hated that show LOST. My parents kept trying to get me in the same excitement as they did. They always talked about it front of me like it was some spectacle so like a good sport I would sit down with them whenever I'm visiting and many times in my own home but just did not know WTF they saw in this thing. I'm glad they enjoyed but I just hated it. It was worse than a soap opera, they would obviously try to milk everything out tediously and slowly as possible and it ticked the hell out of me when they kept jumping back between the different characters and their story which just made it even more confusing for someone who is not a regular follower. And ther acting was so overly dramatic and everyone was either depressed or down with a frown most of the time it was just bleh and boring. Who needs that melancholy crap all the time, not me.

That right there for me is a failure on to itself. You should NOT have to follow any show in order for you to enjoy it. For instance you can flip on any Friends or Just Shoot Me episode any time, at any year and find some entertainment or amusement from it IMMEDIATELY. That's a sign of good writing and production. Not prodding you along and along then keeping you waiting for the next ep that's BS alright. Now that's just 1 person's opinion so if anyone out there it was their fav show of all time fine good for you. Just want to give my 2 cents when I hear people talking about Lost like it's greatest thing in the world and if you don't like it something's wrong with you.

There's a difference between "not liking it" and your first paragraph though. Friends is my favorite sticom (still is) but you can't compare that format to a show like Lost. As archiguy said it above, Lost was a serialized drama. Like Homeland, like Game of Thrones, like a lot of shows actually. Of course something stands out each week but there has to be a deeper storyline that covers then entire season, or even the entire show. Does everything have to be said in 45 mn otherwise people lose attention these days? rolleyes.gif
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You should NOT have to follow any show in order for you to enjoy it

So you watch one episode and you move on? and you come back 3 months later to see if you're gonna enjoy tonight's episode? Well that's not how I enjoy a show. If I happen to discover a new series that I like mid-season for example, I will try to catch up asap with what I missed.

If you enjoy it, you follow it, period.

Even sitcoms like Friends have many inside jokes referring to earlier seasons... Maybe you just don't like serialized shows and that's fine, but your "should not have to follow to enjoy" rule can only apply to sitcoms imo. There are some Two and a Half Men episodes that I like and find funny, I have never watched an entire season (and probably never will) ; but again that's not the same format.

...for a moment I thought we were in the HDTV programming forum wink.giftongue.gif
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post #69 of 137
3/2/13 at 8:03am
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If I happen to discover a new series that I like mid-season for example, I will try to catch up asap with what I missed.

That is what we did with The Sopranos, Mad Men, and Lost.

We didn’t get into The Sopranos until it was over. Watched the entire series in two months over the summer in ’07. Started Mad Men this past summer and caught up in October when the last season was released on BD. Caught up with Lost at the start of the 4th season. The only thing that pissed me off about Lost was the way they drew it out over the last three years.

Sitting down and watching as many back-to-back episodes as you like – nothing better.
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post #70 of 137
3/2/13 at 9:14am
I think he;s talking about the fact that each episode needs to have something to draw an audience in. Obviously you're not going to pick up the season or overall story arcs. But LOST really did make no effort to hook viewers and relied heavily on keeping the ball rolling. If you jumped in mid series it was incomprehensible, mainly because it drifted so far into fantasy land/melodrama IMO.

BSG didn't at first, but also fell into that camp later. Still as a whole it's individual episodes tended to have much more tight stories and quicker payoffs for audiences, structured around episode, intraseason, and series story arcs.
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post #71 of 137
3/2/13 at 9:20am
There are only so many hours in a day.
Therefore, there are only so many shows I can follow.

I give a pilot an opportunity, a reason for me to want to come back for the next episode.
If it doesn't...oh, well.wink.gif
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post #72 of 137
3/2/13 at 9:35am
The LOST pilot was, and might still be, the most expensive series pilot ever filmed - around $10 million I've heard. I thought it was worth every penny; definitely hooked me from start. The BSG pilot was actually a 3 hour mini-series that was equally ambitious. It took another year for the show to make it onto the Sci-Fi channel schedule and then it ran for the next 4 years. Worth. Every. Hour.

Can't say that about too many TV shows, some of which badly overstay their welcome as long as they're still pulling in the glazed eyeballs.
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post #73 of 137
3/2/13 at 9:39am
I'd consider Lost and BSG two of the best in recent memory that set the bar high enough that other similar shows can't reach. It's also hard to get into a new show because of that bar. Fringe was the closest for me. It has a good blend of self contained freak of the week like X Files and the series long story arc.

Seems like too many shows are hiding clues in the graffiti or similar and it just doesn't work.
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post #74 of 137
3/2/13 at 11:31am
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The LOST pilot was, and might still be, the most expensive series pilot ever filmed - around $10 million I've heard.
WOW! eek.gif
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post #75 of 137
3/2/13 at 2:01pm
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There are only so many hours in a day.
Therefore, there are only so many shows I can follow.
I think you are underestimating the capacity of our brain when it comes to the activity of sitting in front of "screen". smile.gif
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post #76 of 137
3/2/13 at 3:02pm
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I think you are underestimating the capacity of our brain when it comes to the activity of sitting in front of "screen". smile.gif
It isn't brain "capacity," although to be honest, it ain't what it used to be (damn Irish Whiskey!biggrin.gif).
It's about the amount of hours available per day.
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post #77 of 137
3/2/13 at 3:37pm
And there are fewer and fewer of them as time goes on. Either that or they don't make hours like they used to.
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post #78 of 137
3/2/13 at 5:06pm
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Friends is my favorite sticom (still is) but you can't compare that format to a show like Lost. As archiguy said it above, Lost was a serialized drama. Like Homeland, like Game of Thrones, like a lot of shows actually. Of course something stands out each week but there has to be a deeper storyline that covers then entire season, or even the entire show. Does everything have to be said in 45 mn otherwise people lose attention these days? rolleyes.gif
So you watch one episode and you move on? and you come back 3 months later to see if you're gonna enjoy tonight's episode? Well that's not how I enjoy a show. If I happen to discover a new series that I like mid-season for example, I will try to catch up asap with what I missed.

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Well at least we have that much in common. Friends IMHO was the best written, acted, comedy sitcom in the history of TV. There will never be another one like it. 6 uniquely strong characters all hold they own weight and then some brought out the most hilarious and entertaining hours I've was able to enjoy for that era. It was truly amazing like the Pax Romana..The Golden era > It was perfection.

And a big yes on your rhetorical question. Every passing year goes by with modern tech: ipad, iphones, laptops, we are bombarded with data and info that most of us don't have the attention span that a person did 30 yrs ago before the cell phone and internet. You know that networks and sponsors know fully well of this and they have the best writers money can buy to catch a person's attention prob less than 15 min to hook them or lose them. And with hundreds of channels we are constantly flipping the competition among networks and cable is ferocious to say the least.
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post #79 of 137
3/2/13 at 5:58pm
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Well at least we have that much in common. Friends IMHO was the best written, acted, comedy sitcom in the history of TV. There will never be another one like it. 6 uniquely strong characters all hold they own weight and then some brought out the most hilarious and entertaining hours I've was able to enjoy for that era. It was truly amazing like the Pax Romana..The Golden era > It was perfection.

And a big yes on your rhetorical question. Every passing year goes by with modern tech: ipad, iphones, laptops, we are bombarded with data and info that most of us don't have the attention span that a person did 30 yrs ago before the cell phone and internet. You know that networks and sponsors know fully well of this and they have the best writers money can buy to catch a person's attention prob less than 15 min to hook them or lose them. And with hundreds of channels we are constantly flipping the competition among networks and cable is ferocious to say the least.

Yes we both agree on this. That's a kind of very sad situation actually isn't it?

And I'm sure we have more in common Zoey goddammit! wink.gif

Now I dont' know how much nostalgia has to do to do with it, but I think I'll never get tired of Friends. Often perfect writing, perfect timing, perfect chemistry between the 6 of them, really a one-of-a-kind sitcom.

I'm sure eventually we'll get back to Prometheus, right? biggrin.gif
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post #80 of 137
3/2/13 at 6:04pm
It isn't about ADD, at least for me.

The theory I work from is if ever there would be an episode of a series where the showrunners have the time to get it "right," it is the pilot.
There are NO excuses for not getting a good pilot, excepting, of course, from a crappy TV series.wink.gif

As the old proverb goes: first impressions are the most important.
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post #81 of 137
3/2/13 at 10:13pm
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It isn't about ADD, at least for me.

The theory I work from is if ever there would be an episode of a series where the showrunners have the time to get it "right," it is the pilot.
There are NO excuses for not getting a good pilot, excepting, of course, from a crappy TV series.wink.gif

As the old proverb goes: first impressions are the most imptanort.
Yup, once again you nailed it right on the head. Often you only have 1 chance to make a lasting impression. So on one fine Thursday 1993 it was the usual day come home dead beat tired from college and work and just flipping through the channels and stumbled on one of their earliest episodes where there's this nerdy guy(Ross) rambling and bumbling with this girl(Anniston) at a Laundromat. They were green and so wet behind the ears but you didn't realize it until much later on. Never seen this sitcom before but stayed on it because something is keeping me captivated and I watched it til the end and thought..Hmmm pretty funny and interesting. Then from that 1st hook, I watched every episode on thur from 1993 all the way to their last in 2003...plus many repeated reruns.

And it wasn't until years later in retrospect that you realize the 1st few years were really NOT that great compared to their 3rd, 4th, 5th season where they were like a highly tuned piece of machinery that got better and better as they honed their craft and performance to perfection. Then you have the last 2 yrs which were not as fresh and strong as the peak years...as with any product cycle. By then they were raking in a record salary of 1 million per ep each + a 20 million bonus for I think the final 2 years = about 40 million per person...80 million for 2 years of easy street. By then you could tell they were all jaded and tired of TV and already had plans for movies. The "bounce" freshness was gone.
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post #82 of 137
3/3/13 at 4:50am
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And it wasn't until years later in retrospect that you realize the 1st few years were really NOT that great compared to their 3rd, 4th, 5th season where they were like a highly tuned piece of machinery that got better and better as they honed their craft and performance to perfection. Then you have the last 2 yrs which were not as fresh and strong as the peak years...as with any product cycle. By then they were raking in a record salary of 1 million per ep each + a 20 million bonus for I think the final 2 years = about 40 million per person...80 million for 2 years of easy street. By then you could tell they were all jaded and tired of TV and already had plans for movies. The "bounce" freshness was gone.

With that said; how can you say it was the best ever? A show that was on for 10 years, but as YOU point out, half of those 10 were not that great. Granted, most, if not all series go through what you described, but what you just described is far from perfect. I’d vote for Seinfeld. Maybe Cheers. Possibly M.A.S.H. What if you never watched those or Friends and sat down to watch an episode and said; “My parents kept trying to get me in the same excitement as they did. They always talked about it front of me like it was some spectacle so like a good sport I would sit down with them whenever I'm visiting and many times in my own home but just did not know WTF they saw in this thing. I'm glad they enjoyed but I just hated it.” What then? Unless you’ve invested time in a series and gotten to know the intricacies of the characters, IMO, it’s not fair to judge a program based on a limited number of viewings, especially one that is serialized.
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post #83 of 137
3/3/13 at 5:25am
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With that said; how can you say it was the best ever? A show that was on for 10 years, but as YOU point out, half of those 10 were not that great. Granted, most, if not all series go through what you described, but what you just described is far from perfect. I’d vote for Seinfeld. Maybe Cheers. Possibly M.A.S.H. What if you never watched those or Friends and sat down to watch an episode and said; “My parents kept trying to get me in the same excitement as they did. They always talked about it front of me like it was some spectacle so like a good sport I would sit down with them whenever I'm visiting and many times in my own home but just did not know WTF they saw in this thing. I'm glad they enjoyed but I just hated it.” What then? Unless you’ve invested time in a series and gotten to know the intricacies of the characters, IMO, it’s not fair to judge a program based on a limited number of viewings, especially one that is serialized.

I must admit aliens, I could pick any episode of Friends, from any season, and I know I would enjoy it. But after all to each his own, if for you it's Seinfeld that's great - for me it's Friends. And like you said, it's impossible, and unfair, to compare sitcoms to serialized shows. Besides, sitcoms are made to make us feel good, to make us laugh. That's not exactly what I expect when I tune in to watch The Following, or Lost, or Homeland... wink.gif These shows are more "demanding" and we watch them because the story matters more than anything else. Not because we want to "have a good time for 25 mn". These shows happen to have great production value too, more in fact that a lot of movies. Speaking of production value, given the visual quality of Prometheus, I'm sure the next one will look amazing as well.


...they call it getting back on track! biggrin.gif
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post #84 of 137
3/3/13 at 6:25am
Give me 'Green Acres', 'The DIck Van Dyke Show', 'The Mary Tyler Moore Show' or anything from the "golden era" of TV comedy over any of the sitcoms produced in recent years ('Arrested Development' excluded, of course). And then there's MASH - maybe the best of all time. Of the more recent ones, I'd only put 'Seinfeld' in that potential "best-ever" category. 'Friends' just had too many weak years.
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post #85 of 137
3/3/13 at 10:09am
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IMO, it’s not fair to judge a program based on a limited number of viewings, especially one that is serialized.
Maybe not, but that is the way I do it.
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post #86 of 137
3/3/13 at 11:30am
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The theory I work from is if ever there would be an episode of a series where the showrunners have the time to get it "right," it is the pilot.
There are NO excuses for not getting a good pilot, excepting, of course, from a crappy TV series.

That's just not the way it works a lot of the time. Many pilots are rushed, or have to be produced on low budgets because the network isn't sure that it's ready to commit to the show. And many shows just need time for the cast to build the important chemistry, and the writers and producers to figure out what works and what doesn't work.
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3/3/13 at 12:00pm
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That's just not the way it works a lot of the time. Many pilots are rushed, or have to be produced on low budgets because the network isn't sure that it's ready to commit to the show. And many shows just need time for the cast to build the important chemistry, and the writers and producers to figure out what works and what doesn't work.
I don't doubt it.
But like I said, I don't want to "invest" time into a series hoping it will eventually get good.wink.gif
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post #88 of 137
3/3/13 at 12:16pm
BSG was the best "serial" ever made for TV. Sci-fi that even non sci-fi people could watch. And no smoke monsters.
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post #89 of 137
3/3/13 at 1:36pm
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I don't doubt it.
But like I said, I don't want to "invest" time into a series hoping it will eventually get good.wink.gif

You have to be able to see the potential there, even if the pilot is uneven. Since I don't watch anything on TV besides ambitious serialized dramas (and aren't terribly interested in many of today's movies) and I have a DVR with a basically unlimited storage footprint, I end up trying most of the ones that show promise and get early good reviews by critics I trust. I get burned a lot since most of them get cancelled, especially the really smart, complex-plotted ones ('Rubicon'). Occasionally one of them is so lame I bail early and it gets cancelled anyway ('Zero Hour'). I call that a "win".

But without that policy in place I would have never gotten invested in so many outstanding, brilliantly written & acted series that I'm glad I got to see and were absolutely worth the time ('Breaking Bad', 'Justified', 'Homeland', 'The Americans', 'Treme', 'Game of Thrones', 'Boardwalk Empire', 'Boss', etc.). All but one of those is still running and perhaps the best - 'Breaking Bad' - is finishing up this year on its own terms. I like stories that have endings as well as beginnings.
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post #90 of 137
3/3/13 at 2:04pm
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With that said; how can you say it was the best ever? A show that was on for 10 years, but as YOU point out, half of those 10 were not that great. .
It's called an opinion, to me and many others. And I never said half and "not that great" relatively speaking within itself...only the 1st few years before they were a finely tuned sitcome machine and hit their stride. Kinda like MJ and da Bulls before they won 6 rings.
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