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post #421 of 586
Could they actually do rigged strings? Before they start a challenge they draw for spots, or so Jeff says.
post #422 of 586
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I suppose rigged string knots could be considered a possibility .. but personally, I think it's a stretch .. she did not compete in the first 2 courses, she stayed calm, she focused and she had some luck .. I was not rooting for her, but I'll respect her win ..
She's putting herself into fight mode and using whatever she can come up with to stay .. I'll also give kudos for coming up with the "won't read the rest of the note" comment as well as her lie to Malcolm on her having another Idol .. I kinda think he did not buy it, though ..
As we near the end game, it's refreshing for me to see some good play going on .. Penner's discussions to the end were great, IMO ..

for the record, i think it's a stretch as well. most likely, the advantage and good luck came together to get her the win. and that's what i really want to believe because i enjoy the show smile.gif
post #423 of 586
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Originally Posted by lexluthor View Post

Somehow that (person who absolutely needs it, wins immunity) happens more than you'd think.
That challenge seemed a little curious though. They make the 3rd leg totally different from the first 2? I wonder if the producers may have changed it to something Abi could win once they know she got the express pass to the final round?

In past seasons, the advantage you bought at the auction bought you only a marginal lead. The winner got to skip one leg of a race or the first part of a challenge.

In this case they decided at the challenge that Crabbi should skip all of the challenge except for the very last part so she would compete with people who were completely exhausted.
post #424 of 586
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I suppose rigged string knots could be considered a possibility .. but personally, I think it's a stretch .. she did not compete in the first 2 courses, she stayed calm, she focused and she had some luck .. I was not rooting for her, but I'll respect her win ..
She's putting herself into fight mode and using whatever she can come up with to stay .. I'll also give kudos for coming up with the "won't read the rest of the note" comment as well as her lie to Malcolm on her having another Idol .. I kinda think he did not buy it, though ..
As we near the end game, it's refreshing for me to see some good play going on .. Penner's discussions to the end were great, IMO ..
Yes, it was quick thinking on her behalf about the two-part note. And, Penner's exit was magiificent all the way to the end when he made that last little appearance. It reminded me a bit of the final scene in Ferris Bueller where, after the credits, he looks at the camera and says to the movie audience, "You're still here? It's over. Go home. Go."
post #425 of 586
I'm still not sold on the fact that Abi thought of that lie on her own.

Like I said earlier, it wouldn't surprise me if the producers or someone on the show told her she couldn't outright lie about the clue, hence her comment about not compromising Probst's position. Do you really think she would have thought of that part about Jeff on her own?
post #426 of 586
Auctions were more fun when people could pool money and share food. It was like a reward challenge where you got to choose people and reveal who your friends were.

In Guatemala (I think) contestants were allowed to sell shares of their food and even reauction hidden items after they had been bought. It was a riot and showed how resourceful some contestants were. No wonder they outlawed it.
post #427 of 586
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I'm still not sold on the fact that Abi thought of that lie on her own.
Like I said earlier, it wouldn't surprise me if the producers or someone on the show told her she couldn't outright lie about the clue, hence her comment about not compromising Probst's position. Do you really think she would have thought of that part about Jeff on her own?

Based on her use of English as a second language as well as her ability to formulate thoughts into understandable lingo, I have seen her as having a good degree of intellegence .. regardless of her rants and attitude, there seems to be a good brain in there to me ..
post #428 of 586
wow, only six left. it's getting down to the nitty gritty. on last night's show, skupin, lisa, malcolm and denise voted together. i have to wonder how strong will they be as an alliance going forward. do skupin and lisa really want to go to the final 4 with malcolm and denise? and vice versa. i would think that one of these couples would go to carter and abi knowing that they would be much easier to beat in a jury vote. it seems malcolm and denise have the edge because malcolm has an idol and lisa is always on the verge of a "this game is too big for me" meltdown.
post #429 of 586
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Based on her use of English as a second language as well as her ability to formulate thoughts into understandable lingo, I have seen her as having a good degree of intellegence .. regardless of her rants and attitude, there seems to be a good brain in there to me ..

I disagree. If she was in her late teens or early 20s I would go along with you more.

But she is 32 -- old enough where it is not just lack of maturity and experience. It is lack of intelligence and self-awareness.
Edited by blitzen102 - 11/29/12 at 12:22pm
post #430 of 586
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Based on her use of English as a second language as well as her ability to formulate thoughts into understandable lingo, I have seen her as having a good degree of intellegence .. regardless of her rants and attitude, there seems to be a good brain in there to me ..

I think she's just unable to read people's faces and figure out how they feel, i.e. "read a room". I don't think she maliciously annoys people. Maybe her friends help her out by telling her to shut up regularly. In Survivor, you want people to keep flapping their lips like this.

Also tweets have revealed that there were edits in the auction. It looked like Carter got screwed with both of his purchases but in fact he bought a meaty dish that was edited out. Since it still had a head and feet attached, it could have fallen under the "gross" items which were missing this season.
post #431 of 586
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Originally Posted by Foxy7 View Post

Reality TV 101 if someone comes to you wanting to be in an alliance you agree even if you don't want that alliance.If Penner had agreed to the alliance with Lisa and Skupin, Denise would have been voted out.
There is almost always an immunity advantage in the Survivor auction so one of the six should have saved their money to bid on it for the team. I remember Jaison spending all his auction money for the immunity advantage in Samoa to help his alliance.He said then he wanted to step up and do something for his team. He also ended up winning immunity.I'm not sure why food was so important at this point in the game since all of the final six this season had been on at least one food reward.

Very true. Did you see the look on Jonathan's face when Abi won the advantage? It was almost like an "aw, crap, I forgot!" So easy to forget the game. Also, what was up with the auction having no gag gifts? One of the hidden items is always garbage.

And what was up with not airing the challenge questions? Were they afraid of them coming under critique? Jonathan got 3/3 questions correct. Everyone else missed one or two questions. What were they? It was a chance to bring some learning and intelligence into the game!
Edited by Lord_Zath - 11/29/12 at 12:04pm
post #432 of 586
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zath View Post

And what was up with not airing the challenge questions? Were they afraid of them coming under critique? Jonathan got 3/3 questions correct. Everyone else missed one or two questions. What were they? It was a chance to bring some learning and intelligence into the game!

More intelligence is definitely needed. I can't believe ANYONE would get the number of islands in the Philippines question wrong when they probably flew over many of them on the way out there.
post #433 of 586
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Originally Posted by Foxy7 View Post

Reality TV 101 if someone comes to you wanting to be in an alliance you agree even if you don't want that alliance.If Penner had agreed to the alliance with Lisa and Skupin, Denise would have been voted out.
There is almost always an immunity advantage in the Survivor auction so one of the six should have saved their money to bid on it for the team. I remember Jaison spending all his auction money for the immunity advantage in Samoa to help his alliance.He said then he wanted to step up and do something for his team. He also ended up winning immunity.I'm not sure why food was so important at this point in the game since all of the final six this season had been on at least one food reward.

Yeah, the failure of Penner and the alliance preventing Abi from getting the immunity advantage was one of the worst cases of bad play that I've ever seen.

BTW, how is it that Malcolm is never competitive in any of these challenges?
post #434 of 586
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

Could they actually do rigged strings? Before they start a challenge they draw for spots, or so Jeff says.

It's illegal to rig a game show, and Survivor counts as a game show for those purposes.
post #435 of 586
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Originally Posted by blitzen102 View Post

I disagree. If she was in her late teens or early 20s I would go along with you more.
But she is 32 -- old enough where it is not just lack of maturity and experience. It is lack of intelligence and self-awareness.

All I'm saying is if you discount her rants and emotional outbursts, she is able to communicate pretty well as far as use of the English language .. and it is a second language for her .. that, in and of itself seems to indicate, to me anyway, that she's not stupid .. but as scowl said, not very well in touch with things as far as social awareness goes ..
post #436 of 586
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

It's illegal to rig a game show, and Survivor counts as a game show for those purposes.
So you're saying the challenge they have nearly every year where they have to stand on foot pegs or steps that get progressively smaller as the challenge goes along doesn't favor the contestants who 1. weigh less 2. have smaller feet 3. are more physically fit? Give me a break. I've seen women struggle with those big old rope knots just like the two guys were struggling with the little string knots. Perhaps the knots were all theoretically tied the same but you'll never convince me Abi didn't have an advantage in that final competition (and I'm not just saying that because the guys were tired).
post #437 of 586
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Favoring a contestant with a challenge they are better suited to than another is not the same as intentionally rigging a challenge so that one contestant has a much better, if not guaranteed chance to win ..

There is no way any challenge could ever be equally matched to each and every player ..
post #438 of 586
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Favoring a contestant with a challenge they are better suited to than another is not the same as intentionally rigging a challenge so that one contestant has a much better, if not guaranteed chance to win ..
There is no way any challenge could ever be equally matched to each and every player ..
I know. As I've said before, it's just the Internal Auditor comng out in me. smile.gif
post #439 of 586
I don't buy the rig knots either, but smaller hands on the right size rope...not that her rope differed in size than theirs, but the overall size of the rope could have been better suited for small hands to remove knots in them. My first impression, when I saw the challenge, was thinking it favored Abi. The overall difficulty was neither rigorous, or stamina oriented, although it was strenuous. Not just untying the rope was to the advantage of smaller hands, but also climbing thru what was like a part of a play structure for kids... Size advantage again to Abi. Rigged? More like some luck, some weakening of a challenge to make it easier for someone like Abi or any smaller weaker player to compete, meaning dumbing down the challenge isn't necessarily rigging it, and her determination, which is where she does deserve credit, all formed a perfect storm.

Having said all that I care less for her and wish she was gone before the season started. I could be more brutal and vulgar, but I'll refrain. smile.gif
post #440 of 586
Watching less and less of each episode. I would laugh, but it's ridicules.
post #441 of 586
I don't buy the rigged knots either, but earlier I suggested that they may have changed the final part if the challenge to knots from what the first 2 legs was in order to give Abi an advantage. I think that's possible an probably still keeps within gaming laws.
post #442 of 586
But what if Denise had made it through to the final? I think she may be even smaller than Abi so any "planned" advantage would be out the window.

Granted, Denise would have run the whole thing and would have added weight attached to her, but still.

I personally am getting tired of the recycled challenges. How many friggin times do we have to see the same thing again and again?
post #443 of 586
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Originally Posted by 33idolfinder View Post

Watching less and less of each episode. I would laugh, but it's ridicules.
Why are you watching less and less? Because you think it is rigged ? This season has been better than expected and there is still alot up in the air.
post #444 of 586
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Originally Posted by jimbology View Post

Why are you wtaching less and less? Because you think it is rigged. This season has been better than expected and there is still alot up in the air.

IMO, it has been better than expected as well ..
post #445 of 586
So I guess last week's preview that led us to believe that Malcolm's bro said something was just a tease and clever editing or did I miss something?
post #446 of 586
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

So I guess last week's preview that led us to believe that Malcolm's bro said something was just a tease and clever editing or did I miss something?

Easily a manipulation. Only Lisa's brother proved instrumental in creating a possible game changing move.
post #447 of 586
Looks like we get to see that little bikini for one more week.
post #448 of 586
What a boring episode! Can't believe no one is targeting Denise.
post #449 of 586
Note to editors - if you don't want to make it obvious who will not make it to the end give them a bit more air time. cool.gif
post #450 of 586
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Originally Posted by lokilarry View Post

Isn't it odd that they will be going into the finale show with only 4 left? Usually they have 5 for that, don't they?

Maybe, and I pray, this means they are going to have a final 2 instead of final 3 this season.
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