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post #121 of 489
Skyhill. Just disengage until after the Battle Rounds are over. I have read dozens of posts by you about how horrible the next phase is. Can we just skip all that please?
post #122 of 489
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I still really like Juliet Simms -
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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

Skyhill. Just disengage until after the Battle Rounds are over. I have read dozens of posts by you about how horrible the next phase is. Can we just skip all that please?

I for one, and I may be the only one, like the Battle Rounds .. just throwing that out there ..
post #124 of 489
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

She's good .. although there were a few spots where she lost a little control .. coaching will help with that ..

The song was fine. I was more of a fan of that dress/shirt thing that was one gust of wind away from revealing her goods. She's really cute.

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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

Skyhill. Just disengage until after the Battle Rounds are over. I have read dozens of posts by you about how horrible the next phase is. Can we just skip all that please?

You can put me on ignore if you feel like it. I won't be offended. I've also said I'm interested in the new version of Battlerounds. My biggest issue isnt so much the format, it's that they bog the show down for weeks for a process that should take up the smallest portion of the season.
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I for one, and I may be the only one, like the Battle Rounds .. just throwing that out there ..

They're not terrible. They're just too long. And often times unfair to one or both of the participants based solely on song choice.
post #125 of 489
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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

The song was fine. I was more of a fan of that dress/shirt thing that was one gust of wind away from revealing her goods. She's really cute.
You can put me on ignore if you feel like it. I won't be offended. I've also said I'm interested in the new version of Battlerounds. My biggest issue isnt so much the format, it's that they bog the show down for weeks for a process that should take up the smallest portion of the season.
They're not terrible. They're just too long. And often times unfair to one or both of the participants based solely on song choice.

Yep, the dress was nice .. and sure, I'd agree that the battlerounds could be condensed ..
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Yep, the dress was nice .. and sure, I'd agree that the battlerounds could be condensed ..

Now with everyone having 16 singers, they're either going to be interminably long, or edited down much better than they have in the past. I'm looking forward to the "steal" aspect they've added. Even at it's worse, though, this show is a million light years ahead of the drek Simon is serving over at X Factor.
post #127 of 489
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Even at it's worse, though, this show is a million light years ahead of the drek Simon is serving over at X Factor.

So I've heard .. wink.gif
post #128 of 489
Next season can they please stop with that nonsense of showing a closeup of the coach's hand like they are going to hit their button? Not once has the coach ever hit it when they show that.
post #129 of 489
Here are some details on the new format.
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The Battle Rounds will start off with each coach having 16 members on their teams. They will each have two steals that they can use. If, for example, two members of Green’s team are battling, then any of the other coaches can choose to steal the person who Green does not choose to keep. If more than one coach chooses to steal a contestant, it’s up to the contestant to choose his or her coach.

Then, the show will move into The Knockout Rounds. Each team will have 10 members at the beginning. The contestants will choose their own song to perform. On the day of the show, they’ll find out who they are paired up against, which is up to their coach. One of the contestants will then sit in the corner of the stage and watch as the other performs. The coaches will then cut their teams down to five members for the live shows.

“It worked better than we hoped,” Burnett said.
post #130 of 489
For every team to have 10 contestants each moving into the Knockout Rounds, that means they probably predetermine the steals to ensure those numbers. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of predetermination. It takes the reality out of it.
post #131 of 489
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of predetermination. It takes the reality out of it.

This is an odd statement about a show that you have not seen yet. Maybe you should watch it first, ...then determine if it seems real or faked.

Each judge has 2 steals to use for the 24 battles (other teams only) that they will observe. Since many of these contestants were people the judge also turned around for in the audition phase, I'm sure they will have no trouble spending their steals.
post #132 of 489
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

For every team to have 10 contestants each moving into the Knockout Rounds, that means they probably predetermine the steals to ensure those numbers. Sorry, but I'm not a fan of predetermination. It takes the reality out of it.

What? All it means is they're making the judges keep 10 people from a pool of their own 16, plus 2 more that they're allowed to "steal" from the pool of singers that other judges have cut loose. The only thing being pre-determined is the number of people going into the knock-out round.
post #133 of 489
Maybe I'm somehow counting this wrong so if I am please correct me.

If each team starts with 16 contestants that would drop them to 8 each after the battle rounds. How do you get 10 from dividing 16 in half?

That's what I mean by predetermined. In order for each team to get to 10 contestants each, every coach has to steal 2 each. What if they don't want them? Based on this rule it seems like they have to no matter what.
post #134 of 489
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

What if they don't want them? Based on this rule it seems like they have to no matter what.

They are allowed to progress into the Knockout Rounds with their 8 battle winners, plus 2 more players from steals. There is no advantage gained by not using all your steals, and no disadvantage to using them.
post #135 of 489
Playing devils advocate here...the judges could potentially use the singers they "steal" to protect/pad the singer they really want to move on. Does that make sense?
post #136 of 489
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Playing devils advocate here...the judges could potentially use the singers they "steal" to protect/pad the singer they really want to move on. Does that make sense?

Who decides which singer goes home during the knockout rounds? The audience? If so then yes, your point is very good. Just "steal" two people you dont give a crap about, and put them up against your two favorites.
post #137 of 489
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I pretty much fast forwarded thru the recap .. however, the last few minutes made some of the battles look excellent .. and there does appear to be some stealing going on ..
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Originally Posted by Jon_B View Post

Playing devils advocate here...the judges could potentially use the singers they "steal" to protect/pad the singer they really want to move on. Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by skyehill View Post

Who decides which singer goes home during the knockout rounds? The audience? If so then yes, your point is very good. Just "steal" two people you dont give a crap about, and put them up against your two favorites.

That's probably how I would do it if I were a coach unless the person I stole killed it in their next battle.

I just hope that if there are people who really suck and then get picked up by another coach, they don't last any further than their next challenge. Last thing we need is another Erin Martin continuing on when she couldn't sing to save her life.
post #139 of 489
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Who decides which singer goes home during the knockout rounds? The audience? If so then yes, your point is very good. Just "steal" two people you dont give a crap about, and put them up against your two favorites.

In the knockout round, the judge still decides who gets eliminated. These shows are not live yet, so there cannot be any audience voting. Even when the next phase begins, the audience only votes for the bottom 2, and the judge decides between them.

There definitely is strategy involved here, not only for this season, but how the judge is viewed in future seasons. Cee Lo and Christina already have built a reputation for unfairly eliminating contestants, and we saw this season that given the choice, most artists went with Blake or Adam if they were available.
post #140 of 489
If this was X Factor, a 13 year old rap artist would fall off the stage after losing a battle round and be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance, then his mother would be arrested by police after slapping security staff. Next, Simon would travel to the hospital to personally save the fallen "artist" by stealing him for his team. TMZ would post a cell phone video of Simon restarting a patients heart on his way out of the hospital. smile.gif
post #141 of 489
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Originally Posted by Shedrock View Post

If this was X Factor, a 13 year old rap artist would fall off the stage after losing a battle round and be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance, then his mother would be arrested by police after slapping security staff. Next, Simon would travel to the hospital to personally save the fallen "artist" by stealing him for his team. TMZ would post a cell phone video of Simon restarting a patients heart on his way out of the hospital. smile.gif

Thanks for the laugh .. smile.gif
post #142 of 489
Tried to watch the bootcamp episode of X Factor the other night and was repulsed again. They did their usual bit where they embarrass as many of the contestants as possible by showing them singing poorly and then via awkward editing they show the judges and other contestants making faces as if they just smelled the worst fart ever. One of the people they were humiliating was a 13 year old boy who became so nervous that he forgot the words etc. Never wanting to miss a chance to humiliate someone, they showed him crying and crying and at one point telling all the camera people surrounding him that "I want my mother." It was incredibly heart-breaking and disgusting all at the same time. The other thing that disgusted me was that X Factor is still editing the singing after the fact. Apparently none of their singers are good enough to show live. The difference in quality between Voice and X Factor becomes more and more apparent. I have no idea what the ratings will be like as live shows come, but to this point The Voice has decimated X Factor, and that's even with them going up against real competition (MNF and DWTS).
post #143 of 489
Here is a preview of a Battle Round match, the winner and steal are not shown:


http://youtu.be/Xrpj2-IhOq8
post #144 of 489
Damn that was good. I thought the dude was better, though. Somehow I knew they'd cut the preview before we saw who got picked. Dammit. I like the drama that the steal adds to this.
post #145 of 489
I love the toned down Christina look. So much hotter.

Anyway, as for that battle, they were both great and I would be shocked if whoever loses doesn't get stolen. If I were to pick, I would give the slight edge to Amanda on this one, but Trevin deserves to continue on.
post #146 of 489
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Damn .. they can both belt it out .. CeeLo's people this season have strong kung fu .. I'd have a hard time picking either of them .. leaning toward Trevin .. love it ..

And yes, the toned down Xtina look is nice ..
post #147 of 489
I didn't watch yet, but I have a scenario for everyone.

Say you took part in the blind auditions and 2 coaches turned around. I won't give actual names as to who to avoid any potential bias. Now, we'll call those 2 coaches A and B.
You decide to go with coach A. Now, after the battle rounds, your coach doesn't choose you to move forward, but the other 3 coaches decide they want to steal you.

Here's my question. Do you go with coach B because they initially wanted you whereas coaches C and D didn't, or do you not pick coach B because you think there may be a little animosity and they will only be using you as cannon fodder for getting through one of their original picks?

I'm personally torn on this, but I think I would roll the dice and go with coach B because they did show interest in the beginning.


On a side note, I think that the 2 stolen contestants of each team should automatically be paired against each other in the next round to avoid any potential cannon foddering like I mentioned above. This way they can't say they were eliminated just to help an original team member move on.
post #148 of 489
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I didn't watch yet, but I have a scenario for everyone.
Say you took part in the blind auditions and 2 coaches turned around. I won't give actual names as to who to avoid any potential bias. Now, we'll call those 2 coaches A and B.
You decide to go with coach A. Now, after the battle rounds, your coach doesn't choose you to move forward, but the other 3 coaches decide they want to steal you.
Here's my question. Do you go with coach B because they initially wanted you whereas coaches C and D didn't, or do you not pick coach B because you think there may be a little animosity and they will only be using you as cannon fodder for getting through one of their original picks?
I'm personally torn on this, but I think I would roll the dice and go with coach B because they did show interest in the beginning.
On a side note, I think that the 2 stolen contestants of each team should automatically be paired against each other in the next round to avoid any potential cannon foddering like I mentioned above. This way they can't say they were eliminated just to help an original team member move on.

Myself, I'd just hope a coach would turn for me .. last night, you could almost feel the letdown when they did not .. and so far, IMO, the steals are very much justified and the contestants that got more than one to turn picked the right person ..

Last night was a great show .. my only beef is I wish they would not do any pre-battle clips .. let's just go into each one cold .. don't show a snippit before the comercial break .. I'm fast forwarding thru them, myself .. and the pairs practice sessions with the mentors / etc seem to drift toward emphasizing a singer that is sub par during that phase yet comes out on stage and suddenly blows the paint off .. that's fine once in a while, but I hope it's not a trend ..
post #149 of 489
Although early, I think the steals have made the battle rounds much more enjoyable (and meaningful) to watch. It also helped that there were no stinker performances - they were all pretty decent.

mgkdragn - like you, as soon as I hear the words "coming up after the break", I start skipping forward. Why do they feel the need to spoil something that is coming up in 3 minutes time? And why do they need to do a quick recap right after the the commercial?
post #150 of 489
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

Although early, I think the steals have made the battle rounds much more enjoyable (and meaningful) to watch. It also helped that there were no stinker performances - they were all pretty decent.
mgkdragn - like you, as soon as I hear the words "coming up after the break", I start skipping forward. Why do they feel the need to spoil something that is coming up in 3 minutes time? And why do they need to do a quick recap right after the the commercial?

It's nothing more than a time stretch I think .. they could have done the entire 1st Battle Round in one two hour episode .. even with the mentor footage ..

Armstrong seemed pretty laid back .. Rob Thomas seemed fairly engaged ..

Nelly just tried too hard, IMO .. De'Borah did a great job ..

And was it just me, or did anyone else know Blake would pick Gracia even before the Battle .. ??
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