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post #331 of 2247
Yeah, I've read that a number of times, but I feel stupid because I don't know what most of it means.eek.gif
post #332 of 2247
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

Yeah, I've read that a number of times, but I feel stupid because I don't know what most of it means.eek.gif

Is their anything on this page that we can help explain differently/better? What part(s) do you have questions with? I'd be happy to help answer them. smile.gif
post #333 of 2247
Thank you Joshua! I think my biggest issue is simply the fact that I don't know about the technical aspects of what all the tools are in each package and how they're used to help with calibration. I understand which features each level has but I don't know how more advanced and specialty workflows might help me. Like I said, I'm going through each area as eval, so maybe I'll pick it up as I go along and understand better. But from barely understanding how white balance is calibrated with x,y,Y values, it's a lot to try and grasp. Are the Client Licenses of the Enthusiast license for PC monitor calibration? I didn't quite understand that and why there is two of them.
post #334 of 2247
It doesn't matter if you use xyY or HSL -- to change saturation if you are using xyY you simply move x&y at the same time if the CMS control is adjusting Saturation.

In xyY, the CMS control for Saturation will move the measured point closer to or farther from the d65 point (generally... if the display is linear). The control for hue would move the measured spot closer to or farther from one of the oher primaries (moving x&y at the same time)

The Luminance CMS control always moves luminance (if you are in RGB space, it would move all 3 coordinates higher or lower at the same time).

The point is to get each primary and complimentary color accurate using the 3 controls available. Whether you use xyY or HSL isn't really relevant. You simply have to understand how each CMS control moves the measured point in the coordinate system you are using.
post #335 of 2247
I don't have CMS available, just color and tint.
post #336 of 2247
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

I don't have CMS available, just color and tint.

The basic license has access to the Quick Analysis workflow, which is about as concise a workflow as we have.
With that you can see an immense amount of information for your display, so your ability to maximize your calibration, won't be limited by your license.

Also our Tutorial Basic and Tutorial Advanced workflows are the perfect place to start as a beginner. They walk you through a calibration and teach you the concepts and how they apply in practice. By the time you've finished walking through those workflows you'll have a calibrated TV.
post #337 of 2247
Thank you, Sotti.
post #338 of 2247
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

Yeah, I've read that a number of times, but I feel stupid because I don't know what most of it means.eek.gif

I looked into it a bit more carefully and it seems like Basic will be fine for you, unless you plan on getting a spectro or higher-end colorimeter like a C6 (both of which require Control). You get the HT Advanced Workflow with Basic, which IMO is necessary for a full calibration (even with just 2-pt grayscale and color/tint like on your set).

Control adds:

"A greatly extended range of meters and pattern sources. (See the hardware support matrix.)
An expanded range of workflows
Direct Display Control access to supported panels and projectors, via direct controls and interactive charts
Autocalibration of supported displays and processors - including gamma, grayscale, and now unprecedented color gamut autocalibration as well!
The Meter Profile Editor
The Disc Player IR Editor"

none of which you need at the moment, unless you plan on getting more gear
post #339 of 2247
Thank you, Plasma. smile.gif
post #340 of 2247
I now mostly use Quick Analysis Workflow for calibration as it's fast and you have access to lots of information that's useful for fine tuning. Pair with a signal generator (I'm using Lumagen as a signal generator) that can do an Auto Series reading, you can easily do a gamma, grayscale and CMS below an hour once you truly understand how it works.
post #341 of 2247
Also my favourite.

Must admit I like the Color Checker feature as well.
post #342 of 2247
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

I don't have CMS available, just color and tint.

That still doesn't matter. You'll move the measured points when you adjust either control and either xyY or HSL graphs will show whether the change helped or not. The main difference is that when you adjust color or tint, you'll move all 3 primaries and all 3 complimentary colors at the same time (assuming the TV has headroom to move all those colors in the direction you moved the control... for example, you may find that blue doesn't start moving until you decrease the Color control quite a bit because it is limited by the display's electronics, the phosphor used, the color of the LEDs used in the backlight, or the filter color built-in to the LCD panel.

Technically you can't have an HSL or xyY graph on a screen because both are 3-dimensional color spaces (as are all color spaces). So you'd really only be looking at xy or HS on the graph. Luminance would have to be displayed in some sort of separate graph that showed you whether color luminance was too high or too low. Color and Tint might not even adjust Luminance at all. If that's the case, and you really have no CMS controls, you'll just live with whatever luminance measurements come up while your measuring xy or HS. Also be warned... Color and Tint control adjustments MAY mess-up your grayscale calibration. So you may have to re-adjust grayscale after each Color/Tint adjustment, then re-adjust grayscale again... if there is a lot of interaction there, you may even find yourself in a loop where each time you "improve" the color settings with Color/Tint, it upsets grayscale and when you fix grayscale, the color measurements are messed-up again. That's where the art of calibration comes into play... how do you compromise when you can't bet 2 or 3 parameters to be accurate at the same time... it's not something that's easy to deal with as a beginning calibrator.
post #343 of 2247
Thanks, Doug.

With the enthusiast license, is the seminar credit for the video or PC calibration ($99/$149) webinar? I think I read someone on here didn't think it was useful, but I think any help I can get would be useful. I mean, I understand Kal's write up okay, but just trying to figure out what the next step is proves I have a lot more to learn. And of course this is just for a hobby/personal interest so I think there's a peak of how much I need to learn to be proficient enough at calibration.
post #344 of 2247
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With the enthusiast license, is the seminar credit for the video or PC calibration ($99/$149) webinar?

Yes you get one webinar credit with your Enthusiast license to use as you see fit from all the webinars we offer.

http://store.spectracal.com/calman5/licenses
post #345 of 2247
That sounds worth the price difference between control and enthusiast, to me. I think I will probably go with enthusiast when the time comes, Doug really made it.sound like a real value with his examples of adjusting color. Even though my UT50 only has color and don't control, my parents' LCDs do have CMS at least on the aquos and that will give me experience in that regard. smile.gif
post #346 of 2247
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That sounds worth the price difference between control and enthusiast, to me.

That was one of the reasons we included a webinar credit with that license. Not to mention all the other really cool stuff you get with Enth.
post #347 of 2247
how do the webinars work? are they live and/or interactive?
post #348 of 2247
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how do the webinars work? are they live and/or interactive?

Do you get to keep a copy of it or powerpoint slides or something? I bet it's a lot to take in since the video calibration is 90 minutes.
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how do the webinars work? are they live and/or interactive?

+1 to that...
Gt-I9000 Cm10
post #350 of 2247
I have on disc the latest (I think) AVS Rec 709 disc when I click on the AVS center title it says 2D, is there actual differences between this and the 2B version downloaded at SpectraCal's website?
post #351 of 2247
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I have on disc the latest (I think) AVS Rec 709 disc when I click on the AVS center title it says 2D, is there actual differences between this and the 2B version downloaded at SpectraCal's website?

yes, there are
post #352 of 2247
Okay, that's what I guessed. I downloaded and burned it. I'm just waiting for my license to arrive in my email for the software. Then I can get the show started. biggrin.gif
post #353 of 2247
and the download on the SpectraCal site is for 1.2B, not 2B
post #354 of 2247
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Hello all
I'm using calman5 with i1 display pro meter getting some funky readings
Can anyone using this combo post up the settings they use and more importantly the correction numbers or ccfx file if they had this meter profiled against an i1 pro or other spectro ???
post #355 of 2247
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and the download on the SpectraCal site is for 1.2B, not 2B

Thanks, I just noticed the last two digits in in download URL. smile.gif
post #356 of 2247
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Hello all
I'm using calman5 with i1 display pro meter getting some funky readings
Can anyone using this combo post up the settings they use and more importantly the correction numbers or ccfx file if they had this meter profiled against an i1 pro or other spectro ???

Which Meter setting are you using from the Meter Menu? I was told to use Wide Gamut (White LED) and it gave funky readings. Now use Standard LCD (White LED) and everything working great!
post #357 of 2247
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Hello all
I'm using calman5 with i1 display pro meter getting some funky readings
Can anyone using this combo post up the settings they use and more importantly the correction numbers or ccfx file if they had this meter profiled against an i1 pro or other spectro ???

Profiling is a display to display thing. So if someone did a profile on a different display its not going to help you.

When you say funky do you mean erratic or just plain inaccurate?

If you are getting erratic readings, try lengthening your exposure mode.

Also what type of display are you measuring and how much light is it putting out?
post #358 of 2247
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

Profiling is a display to display thing. So if someone did a profile on a different display its not going to help you.
When you say funky do you mean erratic or just plain inaccurate?
If you are getting erratic readings, try lengthening your exposure mode.
Also what type of display are you measuring and how much light is it putting out?

Hey P5browne, Im using "plasma" as my meter mode. I didnt think to try any others as my tv is a plasma.

Hey Joel, I have a Samsung 64d8000 putting out 33 ftL at my desired contrast setting. I am getting what i think is inaccurate reads, both blues and reds are too high IMO. Blues way up there... and also occasional erratic reads. I do not have a second meter. My OS is windows 7 Home edition brand new laptop...just fyi,also my meter is brand new. (I guess it is unlikely it is faulty but it can be). I'm just trying to rule out all other possible problems here...
I did increase my exposure to 2 seconds and have played with sync mode but it has not changed the outcome color-wise although i dont recall seeing erratic swings since then...I will try again this weekend but was hoping that someone with similar conditions as me would have a meter profile i could use. I did get some numbers from one of the the forum members here but he had some negative XYZ numbers that I could not enter into calman5 ( i spoke with yr tech support on this) I know it wont be exact but should be closer than not using one at all...

Thx for the help guys
post #359 of 2247
Which gamma settiing would you choose?

I have 3 gamma choices on my 60" Pioneer Kuro (non Elite) : Gamma 1, Gamma 2 & Gamma 3.

I selected the 2.2 gamma target on Calman 5..... Here is what my results were:

Kuro on Gamma setting of 1 : I got a flat line reading at the 2.4 mark on Calman. (Ideal for Theatre room)

Kuro on Gamma setting of 2 : I got a flat line reading at the 2.3 mark from 0-50 and than it dipped to a flat line at the 2.2 mark from 50-100 on Calman.

Kuro on Gamma setting of 3 : I got a flat line reading at the 2.2 mark on Calman. (Ideal for a dim room)

I watch cable/Sat TV in a very dim room, but I watch my BD movies in total darkness...... I do not want to be changing the gamma everytime I want to watch a BD movie (dark room).
What setting should I use?

Thanks

Paul
Edited by hidefpaul - 10/18/12 at 10:18am
post #360 of 2247
^^^

If your Kuro is one of the Elite's (NA Model), activate and calibrate the ISFccc Interface, setup isf Night memory for Reference (BD, total darkness) viewing and use isf Day memory for the other .. very easy to switch between ISF memories.
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