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post #511 of 2247
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Originally Posted by derekjsmith View Post

Yes we are working on CalMAN 5.04 update to include the added pulse sync mode for the D3 OEM, D3 Retail and SpectraCal C6. This added mode is in addition to our Auto sync mode we have had for the C6.
So the sync choices are:
- Off (all sync modes disabled)
- On (pulse sync enabled)
- Auto (Default setting) (will enable our own sync mode if we detect the device has a unstable light source, Plasma, DLP, etc…)
In addition to the new pulse sync mode we also now allow multiple D3 based meters connected simultaneously. You should see the project this was for smile.gif

If you're using an i1D3 on a plasma, wouldn't it always be used "on" ? Why have these other options???
post #512 of 2247
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If you're using an i1D3 on a plasma, wouldn't it always be used "on" ? Why have these other options???

I was wondering about this too. I would think that just by selecting Plasma as the device type that would be sufficient...?
post #513 of 2247
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

I was wondering about this too. I would think that just by selecting Plasma as the device type that would be sufficient...?

CalMAN does change it's sync mode based on the mode type you select.

But we leave the sync setting visible so you can change it if your display needs something different.
post #514 of 2247
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

If you're using an i1D3 on a plasma, wouldn't it always be used "on" ? Why have these other options???

We have found the new "Pulse Sync" mode works well on Plasma until lower light. Our "Auto Sync" mode works well at all light levels and will automatically switch between, off/on/auto as needed. So in most cases just leaving it at auto is the correct mode. We do allow the user to change that if they find a display is causing erratic readings.
post #515 of 2247
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

What kind of meter were you using?

Spectracal C6, profiled off the i1Pro. Mounted on a tripod, back about 18" from my 55LHX Panel.

Tried clicking on the AutoCal for the 3D LUT, but all it does is blink, and that's it. Click the 1 Click button, and that works.
Edited by p5browne - 11/15/12 at 10:14am
post #516 of 2247
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Originally Posted by derekjsmith View Post

We have found the new "Pulse Sync" mode works well on Plasma until lower light. Our "Auto Sync" mode works well at all light levels and will automatically switch between, off/on/auto as needed. So in most cases just leaving it at auto is the correct mode. We do allow the user to change that if they find a display is causing erratic readings.

I am doing a GT50 plasma, and the auto sync mode on the C6 will not read black correctly. With the sync set to off or auto, the black reads very quickly and reports 0 fL. With the sync set to on, the black reading takes longer, as it used to, and reports the correct number of .003 fL.
However, turning sync on seems to give worse performance at brighter levels.
post #517 of 2247
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

I am doing a GT50 plasma, and the auto sync mode on the C6 will not read black correctly. With the sync set to off or auto, the black reads very quickly and reports 0 fL. With the sync set to on, the black reading takes longer, as it used to, and reports the correct number of .003 fL.
However, turning sync on seems to give worse performance at brighter levels.

Yes I messed that one up in 5.04 RC1. We are working on some new hardware and the code changes I made for it effected the D3 and C6 sync modes. I'm fixing it now.
post #518 of 2247
I just posted a fixed CalMANv5.DLL in the 5.04 RC1 thread that fixes the D3/C6 sync mode issues.
post #519 of 2247
Link?
post #520 of 2247
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Link?
You will have to log in first.

http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=94&sid=0f78bdf1e3de254d7da780f91de25578

Posted In that thread about me just running the updated software including the DLL.
So far what I am seeing viewing Casino Royale (BD) is very good. smile.gif

ss

UPdate, the new 5.04 RC1 with added DLL seems to work fine as long as you don't use the DCC control for RGB (gray scale) if you are calibrating a VT50. That said I would advise you wait until Caman gets 5.04 RC1 working right.

imo 5.04 RC1 is a nice improvement if you use a D3/C6, all be it there is some work on Calmans part to fine tune the D3/C6 sync option. Once Calman really fine tunes this new option it should be a nice improvement.

Below is the post calibration check with using 5.04 RC1 and DLL, I use a second laptop with Calman 5.3 to open up my ISF modes and do my pre calibration settings using the controls in ISF mode, I use my other laptop to run the 3D LUT cube 125 point CMS and 21 point Gray scale inputted into my Mini 3D.



ss
Edited by sillysally - 11/18/12 at 4:43am
post #521 of 2247
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

You will have to log in first.
http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=94&sid=0f78bdf1e3de254d7da780f91de25578
Posted In that thread about me just running the updated software including the DLL.
So far what I am seeing viewing Casino Royale (BD) is very good. smile.gif
ss
UPdate, the new 5.04 RC1 with added DLL seems to work fine as long as you don't use the DCC control for RGB (gray scale) if you are calibrating a VT50. That said I would advise you wait until Caman gets 5.04 RC1 working right.
imo 5.04 RC1 is a nice improvement if you use a D3/C6, all be it there is some work on Calmans part to fine tune the D3/C6 sync option. Once Calman really fine tunes this new option it should be a nice improvement.
Below is the post calibration check with using 5.04 RC1 and DLL, I use a second laptop with Calman 5.3 to open up my ISF modes and do my pre calibration settings using the controls in ISF mode, I use my other laptop to run the 3D LUT cube 125 point CMS and 21 point Gray scale inputted into my Mini 3D.

ss

Very nice! Is that a calibration from a VT50?

I may try to calibrate a VT25. What is the procedure for the actual hookup to the VT25? RS-232? And through that CalMAN takes care of telling the TV what patterns to display? I know how to use CalMAN but have never used it directly with a display (only through a Radiance).
post #522 of 2247
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Very nice! Is that a calibration from a VT50?
I may try to calibrate a VT25. What is the procedure for the actual hookup to the VT25? RS-232? And through that CalMAN takes care of telling the TV what patterns to display? I know how to use CalMAN but have never used it directly with a display (only through a Radiance).

We have fairly limited control over the VT25. It is supported over RS-232, but the display only has it's two point (Red and Blue) cuts and gains. The CMS is also crippled with no control over gamut luminance (only hue and saturation).

We will run AutoCal against it, but the results will be commensurate with the level of control we have over the display.
post #523 of 2247
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Very nice! Is that a calibration from a VT50?
I may try to calibrate a VT25. What is the procedure for the actual hookup to the VT25? RS-232? And through that CalMAN takes care of telling the TV what patterns to display? I know how to use CalMAN but have never used it directly with a display (only through a Radiance).

Yes its from my VT50.

I did use my Radiance and the somewhat unstable ver 504 RC1 with the DLL fix rolleyes.gif My first laptop runs the 3D LUT cube 125 point CMS and 21 point gray scale inputted into my Radiance via RS-232 cable (no USB adapter).
I also use a second laptop and the last stable version of Calman 503 (DCC controls) to access the ISF modes in my VT50 via LAN for my pre calibration setup only. Doing this you bypass your Radiance for the settings you input into your display, but still using the Radiance as a pattern generator, the 3D LUT workflow to control the patterns from the Radiance, meter readings and pre calibration workflow.

If you don't use the ISF modes then you don't use a second laptop or have a second Calman running. You simply run the 3D LUT workflow and adjust pre calibration settings in your display , RGB (in your case R/B), contrast, brightness, color, sharpness, temp mode, screen brightness, gamma and turn off all enchantments, via your remote for your VT25.
After you have that done with the proper settings using your meter and 3D LUT workflow, you then run your 21 point gray scale and 125 point CMS.

imo, you should wait until Joel and the boys have fixed and stabilized there 504 version.

ss
post #524 of 2247
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

My first laptop runs the 3D LUT cube 125 point CMS and 21 point gray scale inputted into my Radiance via RS-232 cable (no USB adapter).
I also use a second laptop and the last stable version of Calman 503 (DCC controls) to access the ISF modes in my VT50 via LAN for my pre calibration setup only. Doing this you bypass your Radiance for the settings you input into your display, but still using the Radiance as a pattern generator, the 3D LUT workflow to control the patterns from the Radiance, meter readings and pre calibration workflow.
ss

I'm assuming the only reason you use 2 laptops is, b/c you prefer the direct RS-232 connection to the Mini, which u probably achieve with an older laptop... But - trying to picture this - there is no advantage of using 2 notebooks, as you could do all of your pre cal settings in the VT50 ISF modes on the same laptop that you then afterwards use for the 125 point cal, correct ? Or am I missing something (besides the 2 different C5 release versions) ?

Or is it b/c the DDC in 504 RC1 are broken ?

Thanks.

- M
Edited by Iron Mike - 11/19/12 at 11:00pm
post #525 of 2247
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

I'm assuming the only reason you use 2 laptops is, b/c you prefer the direct RS-232 connection to the Mini, which u probably achieve with an older laptop... But - trying to picture this - there is no advantage of using 2 notebooks, as you could do all of your pre cal settings in the VT50 ISF modes on the same laptop that you then afterwards use for the 125 point cal, correct ? Or am I missing something (besides the 2 different C5 release versions) ?
Or is it b/c the DDC in 504 RC1 are broken ?
Thanks.
- M

its not only the DCC, its the 3D LUT cube that's broke, at least when you have the meter sync mode set to on (default in 504). The problem lies with Red and Calman's 504 RC1 LUT cube with updated Dll, plus the color lum's.

I even profiled my I1pro 2 with my C6 using 504 RC1, along with doing a few 3D LUT cube calibrations, just to make sure. Plus I did a second clean install of 504 RC1.

Of-course this is using 504 on my VT50 and Mini 3D.

btw, the case on the Mini acts as a heat sync, so I use a small fan to keep the Mini cool.

ss
post #526 of 2247
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

btw, the case on the Mini acts as a heat sync, so I use a small fan to keep the Mini cool.
ss

what fan do you use and where did you place it ?

- M
post #527 of 2247
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

what fan do you use and where did you place it ?
- M

Lasko fan, its small, quiet and cheap.
Placed it on one of my shelf's that I have some other gear on, about 4 feet from the Mini and direct it at the Mini. Just a breeze that's all, I also have little rubber feet under the Mini so the airflow can get under the Mini..

ss
post #528 of 2247
Question for anyone with Spectracal.

In the color managment module, why is blue so far off and hard to get into the ballpark????

I also have Chromapure and it calibrates blue pretty easy as it does with any other color.

This is on a Panasonic 65VT50 using 75% color in Calman and on an Accupel 5000 signal generator and both an i1display3 and i1pro2.

In Calman, it acts very much like you're using a lower saturation signal with the software trying to read it as higher saturation.
Edited by JimP - 11/21/12 at 4:00am
post #529 of 2247
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Question for anyone with Spectracal.
In the color managment module, why is blue so far off and hard to get into the ballpark????
I also have Chromapure and it calibrates blue just fine....just as easy as any other color? This is on a Panasonic 65VT50 using 75% color in Calman and on an Accupel 5000 signal generator and both an i1display3 and i1pro2.
In Calman, it acts very much like you're using a lower saturation signal with the software trying to read it as higher saturation.

Hi Jim,

I have found difficulty with my Blue mainly because it will not fully saturate at 100% saturation.
So perhaps my comments will not be typical.

However, like you I use 75% sat and 75% Lum patterns.
With latest Calman I am simply unable to use IT.1886 gamma because of massive sensitivity between Y and y at tweaking stage (I get large color differences for a single click on my Duo's OSM).

Using Power Gamma 2.2 all is OK, but it is most important to change Y and y in tandem otherwise the process loses direction and gets lost easily.
This is not so with other colours where I can adjust Y fully initially (via DDC for speed) then Duo's OSM to tweak x and y.

Not yet adjusted via CP but I must admit I am more familiar with it than Calman. Will have a look later.
post #530 of 2247
Currently using the iScan Duo for Patterns for calibrating my LG 55LHX. Picked up a Lumagen Radiance XE on Black Friday Special, and I'm assuming this unit will allow me a better calibrating experience than the iScan Duo?
Also have the Darbee in line to the set and it works fine with the iScan Duo. Should this also be OK with the XE?
post #531 of 2247
Is there a special license required to calibrate an LED Backlit LCD display? I read somewhere that someone had Version 4 and when they picked that as the display it prompted them for a license or something like that? Does V5 allow LED backlit at all license levels?


bob
post #532 of 2247
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Is there a special license required to calibrate an LED Backlit LCD display? I read somewhere that someone had Version 4 and when they picked that as the display it prompted them for a license or something like that? Does V5 allow LED backlit at all license levels?
bob
It might not have been a license issue. Certain meters like the I1Pro can be enhanced by SpectraCal for use with new display types, and the new enhancements go by meter serial number to access the updates. Or they tried to use a meter their software wasn't licensed for. Not all meters will show all available display types as options.
post #533 of 2247
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Is there a special license required to calibrate an LED Backlit LCD display? I read somewhere that someone had Version 4 and when they picked that as the display it prompted them for a license or something like that? Does V5 allow LED backlit at all license levels?
bob

Yeah, I think it was an older Monaco X-rite meter with version 4.

Will the D3 support the LED displays?

bob
post #534 of 2247
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Yeah, I think it was an older Monaco X-rite meter with version 4.
Will the D3 support the LED displays?
bob

We don't add any tables to the OEM D3, but we certainly don't take any way.

The meter has full capabilities at all license levels and yes it has an LED LCD table from the factory.
post #535 of 2247
I ran the latest version Calman's 504 RC2 LUT cube, and took a picture of were the problem lies. Using my VT50, Mini 3D, profiled my C6 with my I1pro 2.



I then tried using RC2 with the sync option set to auto form its default of on.

I did however see a change in the RGB when I ran 30/100% RGB balance in optimize mode. Green was much higher and Red and Blue were much lower, so I simply did nothing and let the auto gray scale balance them. .I also checked my mini's CMS and nothing seemed to change from the default setting.

ss
Edited by sillysally - 11/27/12 at 5:59am
post #536 of 2247
Will calibrating keep me from going senile?
So much to remember, and in what order, then when half done, realize you missed a step, and have to start over!
I think the answer is yes, calibrating exercises the brain, therefore, all us Forum Members that Calibrate, will outlive those that don't!
(IF, the wife doesn't do you in before!)
post #537 of 2247
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Will calibrating keep me from going senile?
So much to remember, and in what order, then when half done, realize you missed a step, and have to start over!
I think the answer is yes, calibrating exercises the brain, therefore, all us Forum Members that Calibrate, will outlive those that don't!
(IF, the wife doesn't do you in before!)
Big George Foreman says so. He's a big believer in exercising the brain. wink.gif
post #538 of 2247
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Will calibrating keep me from going senile?
So much to remember, and in what order, then when half done, realize you missed a step, and have to start over!
I think the answer is yes, calibrating exercises the brain, therefore, all us Forum Members that Calibrate, will outlive those that don't!
(IF, the wife doesn't do you in before!)

I completely agree! I think it would be odd if I didn't forget to do something early in the process. biggrin.gif
post #539 of 2247
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Big George Foreman says so. He's a big believer in exercising the brain. wink.gif

With all the calibrating you've done, you should live to be 101, that is, barring Dec 21, 2012!

How did you like calibrating with Calman 5 and the Radiance XE?
Edited by p5browne - 11/29/12 at 7:36pm
post #540 of 2247
Would anyone be able to tell me (in this thread or via PM) how to calibrate 3D on a Panasonic screen if available? I've done the 2 point in the service menu for 2D, but I don't know if there's a place to be able to calibrate 3D.
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