CalMan 5 Release Notes and Discussion - Page 25

Originally Posted by p5browne 

Don't like the results from the C6 - will only profile off an i1Pro. What Menu Option are you picking for the Meter? Meter was crazy originally because I made the wrong Menu choice.

Originally Posted by sotti 

Both grayscale and gamut work on the GT50. There is a still a bit of an issue having to set brightness and contrast to default before running autocal, but we are working on that.

Originally Posted by cobhc2010 

Thanks Sotti. So I'd have to do Gamma manually?

Originally Posted by sotti 

If you want to get the results to be well beyond visual perception than you'll want to touch it up after you re-adjust brightness and contrast. The results of just an autocal are very good, but changing the brightness and contrast causes our calibrated points to measure slightly differently. So you can re-tweak them manually, or just leave the small error.

Originally Posted by cobhc2010 

I understand that some touch up will be required, but wondered if the Autocal did gamma alongside grayscale.

Originally Posted by sotti 

Oh yes, absolutely.
When dealing with two point systems you might separate grayscale out since 2 point controls don't effect gamma and 2 point systems nearly always have a separate gamma control. But when we look at multi-point grayscale data we always show the information to calibrate both the gamma and the grayscale. So our autocal works the same way.

Originally Posted by Calby 

I profile it against my i1pro so thats good.
I have the original menu options.

Originally Posted by sodaboy581 

Does CalMan offer an OPTION calibrating for 9300K? I know 6500K is the standard and I've done a calibration for that using ColorHCFR, but ColorHCFR doesn't have an option for 9300K calibration. (I've heard CalMan is better overall than ColorHCFR, so I figured I'd buy a basic license for it and give it a whirl if it had this option.)
Anyhow, I'm sure you're asking WHY 9300K? Well, I'd like to have an alternate picture mode on my TV for 9300K for watching Japanese television. My fiance is Japanese and sometimes watches Japanese dramas and movies. In Japan, the standard white point is 9300K, so I figured I'd match it using a different scene setting on my TV.
Sometimes, I do some gaming too, both import and domestic, and games typically look better through 9300K than 6500K.
I mean, of course, we can just set the color temperature to "Cool" on that scene setting, but I'd really like to do the gray scale if I could as well.
Thanks in advance for the answer!

Originally Posted by Joshua Quain 

Yes you can. See here:

Originally Posted by sodaboy581 

Well, I'd like to have an alternate picture mode on my TV for 9300K for watching Japanese television. My fiance is Japanese and sometimes watches Japanese dramas and movies. In Japan, the standard white point is 9300K, so I figured I'd match it using a different scene setting on my TV.r!

Originally Posted by Kirnak 

Just got a DVDO Duo and have a stupid question: Which level o Calman 5 do I need to do an AutoCal with the Duo? How about whiich level do I need to use the Duo as a pattern Generator? I have Calman 5 control. Which features of the Duo will I unlock by going to enthusiast? Thanks!

Originally Posted by hrc4u 

What I can see it should work with control licence...
http://store.spectracal.com/support/hardware-support.html
GT-i9300 CM10.1

Originally Posted by sodaboy581 

Does CalMan offer an OPTION calibrating for 9300K? I know 6500K is the standard and I've done a calibration for that using ColorHCFR, but ColorHCFR doesn't have an option for 9300K calibration. (I've heard CalMan is better overall than ColorHCFR, so I figured I'd buy a basic license for it and give it a whirl if it had this option.)
Anyhow, I'm sure you're asking WHY 9300K? Well, I'd like to have an alternate picture mode on my TV for 9300K for watching Japanese television. My fiance is Japanese and sometimes watches Japanese dramas and movies. In Japan, the standard white point is 9300K, so I figured I'd match it using a different scene setting on my TV.
Sometimes, I do some gaming too, both import and domestic, and games typically look better through 9300K than 6500K.
I mean, of course, we can just set the color temperature to "Cool" on that scene setting, but I'd really like to do the gray scale if I could as well.
Thanks in advance for the answer!

Originally Posted by sotti 

The japanese 9300K thing is a myth.

In ARIB of Japan, a Task Group on Flat Panel Display (FPD-TG) was established to set up the user requirement for flat panel display, using it as an HDTV master monitor in a TV program production environment (example: studio, editing room, outside broadcast van, etc.) in June 2004. This is not only because the picture quality of flat panel displays has recently greatly improved, but also because CRT master monitors will no longer be supplied in the near future.

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There were two differences: one is that the room was made very dark and the other is the colour temperature of CRT and LCD was set to 9300K (D93). Because it was thought that the subjective assessment test should preferably be conducted under the same viewing conditions as those in the actual TV programme production environment at Japanese TV stations, considering that the purpose of this test was to evaluate the adequacy of picture quality of LCD as a master monitor.

Originally Posted by sodaboy581 

It's not a myth

As a rule of thumb, most Japanese film titles assume a 9300 K environment, while non-Japanese films assume a 6500 K environment. This means one is highly likely to achieve color reproduction close to that intended by filmmakers by setting the color temperature of an LCD monitor to 9300 K when viewing a Japanese film and 6500 K when viewing a non-Japanese film. (Naturally, this doesn't apply universally.) When using a model with a wide range of choices in Kelvin values—an Eizo Nanao LCD monitor, for example—users can adjust the color temperature to whatever looks best.

D65 (except in Japan, where the standard white reference is 9300 K).

Originally Posted by turbe 

I have also heard about this stuff in the past from my Australian users, it seems like there are many down under who watch content from japan.... unlike North America, UK Europe, Australia models are usually directly manufactured in Japan / asia and brought in to. I just think most here including Professionals have no direct knowledge about the past standards in Japan.
I also saw at EIZO's website that talks about this (EIZO is a Japanese Company, founded in 1968) but was getting lazy on posting additional links lol
Here's also a LINK to preview Page 643 from Poynton's book (though he's going from D65 to 9300K labels:
All this has peaked my interest again, to see how this looks. I may look at sourcing some original and proper content from there and of course a proper source device and then some calibration sessions..

Originally Posted by sodaboy581 

I will agree that D 9300K looks wrong in your photos. I also appreciate your effort, but you did your comparison using a DVD released for this region. (I believe in your PM to me, you said you doubt that they rebalanced the color for release over here... but there isn't any way to tell unless you got your hands on a copy of the film for that region.)
I would actually try with some native Japanese content instead of a domestic release here.
Even so, usually the Studio Ghibli movies come out in the theater in Japan first. It's possible that Japanese movies that come out in the theater first are balanced for 6500K first. (Theater equipment and not home equipment.)
And, even if your movie DOES look right at D65, it doesn't stop the fact that Japanese content that airs on TV has and is broadcast at 9300K.
As seen above, there's lots of evidence (from both consumers and professionals) that the Japanese use this as their white point for broadcasting.
This isn't a matter of "Well, gee, since I tested one thing from Japan that was released in the US, that everything native from Japan is done in 6500K!" it's actually a lot more complicated than that.
I downloaded the Persona 4 animation (broadcasted from HDTV, not ripped from DVD or Blu-Ray and on D65, it's clearly far too red.)

Originally Posted by AVfile 

Just got a Radiance and have a newbie question. Should I be using any particular workflow to Autocal it or will the default quick analysis one do? So far the latter seems to work and is looking good!