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post #781 of 1601
1/15/13 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Hello. Yes. I tried generate report, print report etc. none of these functions work for me. All i get is a blank Screen. I then have to back out and restart the workflow session, then tab through the workflow to get to the report inside the workflow.
You can also use Print Screen (full screen) or Alt Print Screen (active window) to copy the window, then paste to Paint and print.
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post #782 of 1601
1/15/13 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Hello. Yes. I tried generate report, print report etc. none of these functions work for me. All i get is a blank Screen. I then have to back out and restart the workflow session, then tab through the workflow to get to the report inside the workflow.

If the screen is blank, then you need to open a report template, they are available from the main menu (upper left hand button).
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post #783 of 1601
1/16/13 at 3:24am
Thanks everyone for the tips on my report question.

I am able to "print screen" while in the calibration workflow and I am able open a report template, however the data from any of my calibration session doesn't populate to the report template. I'll put in a call to SpectraCal again today to see if I am doing something wrong in the workflow or perhaps I don't have some other needed setting in place elsewhere in the software.
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post #784 of 1601
1/16/13 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by cobhc2010 View Post

Tried smaller window sizes and it's ok if I leave the pattern on for a while, but during a grayscale sweep the variances in luminance are ridiculous for anything above 50% White. I'm getting so frustrated; kind of wish I didn't fork out on Calman Control and the i1D3 now, as I can't get any stable enough results to make me certain that the tweaks I'm making are making the image more accurate.

Are you still having this problem? I am getting inconsistent readings too. When I Autocal the greyscale I get almost textbook perfect RGB graph. A few minutes later I get to the post-cal reading and the RGB balance and gamma are off by 20%. Repeated both steps and it's off by 10% from 10 to 50 IRE and gamma is still drooping. How many iterations is it supposed to need?

There is also a spike in gamma at 95 (too close to 100 to permit a manual correction). I am afraid to make manual corrections because I don't know what to trust.

I am using full field patterns because it is the only way to get a reading off my projection screen at 5 IRE. Maybe the low light nature of my setup is the problem?
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post #785 of 1601
1/16/13 at 10:24pm
Low light can be an issue.

What are the actual Y values (fL or cdm).
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post #786 of 1601
1/16/13 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

No, any old workflow is fine, unless you are planning on doing a full 3D LUT for the radiance, then you should use the Color Cube (3D LUT) workflow.

Thanks. I tried doing a 125-point cube, it took 76 minutes and my CPU overheated! Since I have CRT with color filtered lens goodness decided to stick with regular 8-point CMS since it is much faster and I'm having to redo greyscale and gamma many times. Only thing is I have to select Radiance CMS for the display, not "Radiance 3D LUT fw 091612 or later" otherwise it doesn't work. Makes sense right? Since I am having issues want to make sure I got the right setup.
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post #787 of 1601
1/16/13 at 11:44pm
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

Low light can be an issue.

What are the actual Y values (fL or cdm).

5 fL at 100 IRE
0.02 fL at 10 IRE
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post #788 of 1601
1/17/13 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

5 fL at 100 IRE
0.02 fL at 10 IRE

What meter?

Those are very low light levels. Even you're 100% you're putting out less light than most flat panels at 35-40%.
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post #789 of 1601
1/17/13 at 9:13am
Spectracal Chroma5 setup just like "(2) Meter Position For Projector" example graphic in the Basic Workflow.

Is there a way to change the order of the greyscale sweeping or slow down the transitions, perhaps even a pause between transitions? I know you can increase the time the patterns are on the screen, but I would like to try less time for the really bright ones and more time for the darker ones.
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post #790 of 1601
1/17/13 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Spectracal Chroma5 setup just like "(2) Meter Position For Projector" example graphic in the Basic Workflow.

Is there a way to change the order of the greyscale sweeping or slow down the transitions, perhaps even a pause between transitions? I know you can increase the time the patterns are on the screen, but I would like to try less time for the really bright ones and more time for the darker ones.

We already only display the pattern for as long as the meter is reading.

The pattern delay is how long to wait before starting a reading, I wouldn't change the pattern delay unless you have a good reason.

If you want to change the exposure time of the meter, all the settings for that are under the meter configuration tab.
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post #791 of 1601
1/17/13 at 6:37pm
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Just got an email touting some of the features coming in CalMan version 5.1. Here they are:


VirtualLUT/AutoCube. We’ve completely abstracted the hardware away from our 3D LUT Calibration. This means we can be much more flexible in setting up how we calibrate any device. The end result is a significant increase in speed and accuracy.

ColorComparator. This new tool helps users better understand dE. By giving them a visual aid users will be able to see relative amount of difference between their Display and the target color.

Workflow Load Speed. Workflows are faster, way faster.

Multithreaded Calculation Engine. We use multiple cpu cores when we have to recalculate all target points (gamut changes, white max changes, gamma formula changes). Once again more speed.

Uniformity Tool. This allows us to measure and quantify uniformity of an nxn grid. We can run grayscale, gamut or colorchecker. You can view all the data in a datagrid or export the tab data to get all nxn of all the data.
Unified AutoCal Framework. With the work done for AutoCube, all AutoCal procedures should now be more reliable producing fast repeatable results.

AutoCal Start Dialog. This feature prompts users for AutoCal Settings, this helps make AutoCal even easier to Use.

SpectraCal Software Cube Maker. We now can write out 5 different LUT formats. This combined with our VirtualLUT means we can create LUT files any display for use with a software based LUT system or to load into hardware later.

Datagrid Scale Size. You can now scale Datagrids to be larger or smaller.

Sources. Sources are now easier to find, and we will persistently store your choices for that pattern generator.
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post #792 of 1601
1/17/13 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

Just got an email touting some of the features coming in CalMan version 5.1..

It's still a little rough around the edges, but if you want to play with the new goodies, you can get it here:
http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=4535
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post #793 of 1601
1/17/13 at 8:31pm
I really am enjoying using CalMAN 5. The results of calibrations are much better than when I was using ColorHCFR. When I used ColorHCFR, my 6500K calibrations would always be a little more red compared to my CalMAN calibrations. (Just FYI, my Colorimeter is an i1Display Pro)

The picture definitely looks more accurate after calibrating with CalMAN 5.

I've done both my KDL60EX645 and my ASUS PA246Q PC monitor now...

Just finishing up my ASUS PA246Q monitor now... I did pretty good considering this monitor only allows a 2 point Grayscale calibration. It's CMS does not have luminance adjustments either, just Hue and Saturation... (Pretty much all of my dE problems with colors were all luminance...)

Results below:

Thanks for such a great program, everyone involved in it's creation!

EDIT: Now I got some better results, but what's funny is the points aren't as centered as much as they were on my old calibration, for the colors, but the dE is much lower! (Except Cyan... I can't seem to fix that...)


Edited by sodaboy581 - 1/17/13 at 10:08pm
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post #794 of 1601
1/17/13 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

We already only display the pattern for as long as the meter is reading.

The pattern delay is how long to wait before starting a reading, I wouldn't change the pattern delay unless you have a good reason.

If you want to change the exposure time of the meter, all the settings for that are under the meter configuration tab.

Would many sleepless nights, trying to get a half-decent calibration be a good reason? tongue.gif
What is the default pattern delay? I think I changed it by mistake, it's at 2 now.

So during the delay, no reading is happening, would it make sense to display black to give the phosphors a rest?
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post #795 of 1601
1/17/13 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

Workflow Load Speed. Workflows are faster, way faster.

Multithreaded Calculation Engine. We use multiple cpu cores when we have to recalculate all target points (gamut changes, white max changes, gamma formula changes). Once again more speed.

Unified AutoCal Framework. With the work done for AutoCube, all AutoCal procedures should now be more reliable producing fast repeatable results.

AutoCal Start Dialog. This feature prompts users for AutoCal Settings, this helps make AutoCal even easier to Use.

Datagrid Scale Size. You can now scale Datagrids to be larger or smaller.

Sources. Sources are now easier to find, and we will persistently store your choices for that pattern generator.

Hooray! It's the little things like this that make me very happy smile.gif

Thank you.
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post #796 of 1601
1/17/13 at 10:09pm
Got a better calibration (updated post above). dE is much lower across the whole thing, but the points inside the squares aren't as centered as before.

ANYWAY!! I'm fine with this calibration and very happy.

Thanks again to CalMAN 5. biggrin.gif
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post #797 of 1601
1/17/13 at 10:19pm
Good job, nothing wrong with a little boost in the low end for a workstation monitor.

For the points the squares, did you redo the gamut (cms) after redoing greyscale? I think your peak luminance raised a bit, causing the colors to fall short in luminance.
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post #798 of 1601
1/17/13 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Would many sleepless nights, trying to get a half-decent calibration be a good reason? tongue.gif
What is the default pattern delay? I think I changed it by mistake, it's at 2 now.

So during the delay, no reading is happening, would it make sense to display black to give the phosphors a rest?

The delay is how long we wait for the pattern to be completely changed and for the display to settle. Depending on the pattern generator it can take several seconds after receiving the command for the actual pattern to update. The pattern delay time didn't use to persist until 5.1, so I would be nearly sure that 2 is the default for the pattern source you're looking at.
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post #799 of 1601
1/18/13 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

The delay is how long we wait for the pattern to be completely changed and for the display to settle. Depending on the pattern generator it can take several seconds after receiving the command for the actual pattern to update. The pattern delay time didn't use to persist until 5.1, so I would be nearly sure that 2 is the default for the pattern source you're looking at.

Joel don't worry to much about read time and total time, 10 or 15 minuets on a cube calibration is fine, its the results that we want. Ends justifies the means. wink.gif

ss

Update, the new beta seems to be stable, did a nice job with the Gamma.

Update II, Luminance is looking better along with the luma.smile.gif

Update III, Something is not right with the 1077 beta and the Mini 3D.
Reran 1077 LUT cube 21point GS using my Mini, this time the RGB tracking for 80,85,90,95 IRE's was all over the place. Stopped the 21 point auto twice, each time I put the Mini back to default for GS. Re-installed 504 only to find my profiles are gone. To bad the first run did seem to work well.
Edited by sillysally - 1/19/13 at 4:02am
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post #800 of 1601
1/18/13 at 2:56am
does the software cube maker include the ability to create .3dlut files for use with MadVR? If not, is this something that might be possible in the future?
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post #801 of 1601
1/18/13 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by ttnuagmada View Post

does the software cube maker include the ability to create .3dlut files for use with MadVR? If not, is this something that might be possible in the future?

It's not supported in this release, but it is something we can look at doing.
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post #802 of 1601
1/18/13 at 10:54am
Will the updated version require a recommended hardware level for the PC? Would seem so. And will this have any impact on the external processors or displays that work with CalMAN (e.g. Lumagen, DVDO, JVC, etc.)?
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post #803 of 1601
1/18/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

Will the updated version require a recommended hardware level for the PC? Would seem so. And will this have any impact on the external processors or displays that work with CalMAN (e.g. Lumagen, DVDO, JVC, etc.)?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

We've improved performance of the application in terms of how responsive the app is, but many of the slowest bits are still limited by CPU and GPU speed, so our overall "requirements" will stay the same. None of the application performance optimizations have any effect on AutoCal.

We have made a bunch of improvements to AutoCal, some of which are just framework bits that will enable us to do some really neat stuff soon.
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post #804 of 1601
1/18/13 at 10:49pm
Joel, are you guys saying not to use this beta (1077) with a radiance and using a 3D LUT cube and 21 point GS???

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post #805 of 1601
1/19/13 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Joel, are you guys saying not to use this beta (1077) with a radiance and using a 3D LUT cube and 21 point GS???

ss

You'll likely get better results for the radiance in 5.0.4 at this moment, By the time 5.1 is official, it will exceed the performance of 5.0.4.
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post #806 of 1601
1/19/13 at 2:14pm
For Joel,

Is it possible for CalMAN to have an option somewhere easily accessible to enable or disable the pattern change each time you click a button for a meter reading? Reason is... when working on particularly touchy steps or colors, I tend to stay on that particular step or color for a while making changes and re-measuring, Every time I re-measure, the signal generator (AV Foundry Video Forge in this case) is told to display the window pattern again and there's a 3 second delay before each meter reading. It would be great if I could disable the pattern re-render every time when I don't need that. Every re-measurement would be 3 seconds faster. Or maybe there's a way to do this already and I just haven't found it?
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post #807 of 1601
1/19/13 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Update III, Something is not right with the 1077 beta and the Mini 3D.
Reran 1077 LUT cube 21point GS using my Mini, this time the RGB tracking for 80,85,90,95 IRE's was all over the place. Stopped the 21 point auto twice, each time I put the Mini back to default for GS. Re-installed 504 only to find my profiles are gone. To bad the first run did seem to work well.

I get the "all over the place" any time I try the cube workflow in 504. In fact I've never got a clean run, but only had the Mini a short time.

I've gone back to basic CMS with good results but color checker says I'm better off not using any CMS at all!
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post #808 of 1601
1/19/13 at 3:31pm
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Calman5 Control/C3/DPG2000/ControlCAL

Question to the forum: I've runCalman5 autocal ( with manual ajustments as needed to ) on my VT50 about 6-7 times now in the last few weeks and each results in what I consider a dimmer overall picture and gray tint when I compare to other peoples settings I have downloaded from the forums. The gray tint is more noticiable when viewing lighter scenes like blue skies and clouds. I have spent considerable time tyring to make manual adjustments to brighten and eliminate the gray tint to no avail to include adjusting gama, contrast, brightness etc. I've tried calibrating with gama set to 2.4 instead of 2.2 and the other way around. I've tried changing warm 1 to warm 2 and back. When calibrating I change the DDC settings to 100 Contrast, 50 Brightness, Color 50 and panel brightness to "mid" everything else off.Likewise I keep the room failry dark when doing the claibration.

Below are my recent screen shots and the settings resulting form my latest calibration with a few manual adjustments to the Main settings with ControlCAL ( You'll note the 10pt setting in my chart below--I always struggle with this setting compared to the others which are much easier for me to adjust manually after the auto cal )

Screen Shot 2013-01-19 at 6.26.30 PM.png 152k .png file
Screen Shot 2013-01-19 at 6.26.48 PM.png 209k .png file



ISF DAY LBJ2 1.0.xml 3k .xml file
Edited by LBJ2 - 1/19/13 at 3:41pm
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post #809 of 1601
1/19/13 at 5:01pm
New Beta plus Radiance XE plus .net 4.5 - result a closer to flat Grayscale, but setting the dE to 0.4 got results of 0.38 up to 0.52.
Gets frustrating to see Calman take one or 2 goes at any particular IRE, then move on to the next IRE, leaving a raised or lowered Red or Blue, and the odd rare Green, and nowhere near the 0.4. It's like the program says the heck with this, take what you get and be satisfied! At least it's not as far out of whack as the older version. It would be nice if you could get the AutoCal to AutoCal any particular IRE that's giving trouble! With the New Beta, 20IRE is behaving a lot better! Now it's 100 and 50IRE, plus a couple of others being the bad boys! Grayscale in the final check, No longer Linear - though I read this is fixed, or is it being fixed?
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post #810 of 1601
1/19/13 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

It would be nice if you could get the AutoCal to AutoCal any particular IRE that's giving trouble!

You can. It's called Interactive mode. Same as AutoCal but for a single point. Although in my opinion if the dE is below 1 either leave it the way it is or adjust manually.
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