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post #31 of 72
12/17/12 at 4:31am
Ah, the unedited version. One of the great urban myths.
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post #32 of 72
12/17/12 at 5:30am
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Ah, the unedited version. One of the great urban myths.

"Myth" implies that it never existed. The movie played in theaters, and was released on VHS and Laserdisc without the edits that were imposed later.
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post #33 of 72
12/17/12 at 8:47am
I heard that they've added some vajazzle.
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post #34 of 72
12/17/12 at 10:13am
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"Myth" implies that it never existed. The movie played in theaters, and was released on VHS and Laserdisc without the edits that were imposed later.

Exactly. I still have the original CAV laserdisc release that includes all the so-called naughty bits. Subsequent home video releases have undergone continued changes to the point where Jessica gets flung out of the car when it hits a lampost, she's been completely re-drawn.
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post #35 of 72
12/17/12 at 12:22pm
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I wonder if they'll finally include the fully unedited version?

Yeah, no chance
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post #36 of 72
12/17/12 at 1:53pm
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Exactly. I still have the original CAV laserdisc release that includes all the so-called naughty bits. Subsequent home video releases have undergone continued changes to the point where Jessica gets flung out of the car when it hits a lampost, she's been completely re-drawn.
I have the laserdisc too and have viewed the so-called naughty frames a number of times. There is nothing there that is the least bit naughty. There was some color that was not filled in. That is all. There are no "private parts" to see. The other scene usually cited is the goosing scene and that is open to interpretation.

There is much excitement in this case over essentially nothing. I remember when the laserdisc came out and there was all kinds of discussion of this until the frames were posted on a board I frequented at the time. They also showed there was nothing really there to see unless you had an extremely vivid imagination. Much ado about not much. wink.gif
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post #37 of 72
12/17/12 at 2:04pm
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I have the laserdisc too and have viewed the so-called naughty frames a number of times. There is nothing there that is the least bit naughty. There was some color that was not filled in. That is all. There are no "private parts" to see. The other scene usually cited is the goosing scene and that is open to interpretation.
There is much excitement in this case over essentially nothing. I remember when the laserdisc came out and there was all kinds of discussion of this until the frames were posted on a board I frequented at the time. They also showed there was nothing really there to see unless you had an extremely vivid imagination. Much ado about not much. wink.gif

The degree to which the original frames were "naughty" is debatable. What is not debatable is that the original animators intentionally drew in gags (such as Baby Herman's hand up Jessica's dress) that the studio later edited out - and rather crudely so, in that example. Herman's whole arm mysteriously vanishes in that scene, and it looks awful.

Whether you think this is a big deal or not is up to you, but some of us would prefer that the Blu-ray contain the original version.
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post #38 of 72
12/17/12 at 2:13pm
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The phone number also, the word myth was not the right one
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post #39 of 72
12/17/12 at 2:50pm
Myth might be too strong a word but the most often cited edit is the Jessica upskirt and the original just doesn't contain the "naughtiness" that has been claimed for it.

Disney has a history of editing things out of their movies so as not to offend anyone. I don't like this either. There have been worse things done in other cases. The removal of Pecos Bill's cigarette is a far worse edit IMO since it changes the character and removes animation that represents the time it was created.

Anyone who is hoping to see unedited versions of many classic Disney works can probably forget about it. Disney edits even more than Lucas.
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post #40 of 72
12/17/12 at 2:56pm
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He extends his finger clearly in the upskirt shot, and Disney don't censor anywhere near as much as Warner do, their history is a literal whitewash
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post #41 of 72
12/17/12 at 4:40pm
What Warner censorship are you talking about? I haven't seen much in the films but you may know more than me. Now they have told a lot of stories that are less than true about the history of the studio and the brothers.
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post #42 of 72
12/17/12 at 4:44pm
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Their animated stuff, the looney tunes especially is a mess, you don't see them putting out releases like this:



Warner hide the more sensitive stuff
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post #43 of 72
12/17/12 at 5:01pm
You weren't around in the Laserdisc days when there was a whole collection of Warner wartime cartoons on a set called "Bugs and Daffy: the Wartime Cartoons". These preceded the rather mild Disney stuff by years. They were totally uncensored. They'll show up again on Blu-Ray at some time, I'm sure. I believe "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips" (on the LD) has already shown up on DVD but it would take me some time to check.

I have both the Disney collection you cite and the LD I mentioned. The Disney stuff doesn't use words like "Nips".
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post #44 of 72
12/17/12 at 5:03pm
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I have the RR Laserdisc and 150 others, and this is not the Laserdisc days.

Also the Censored 11

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/ltcuts/censored11/
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post #45 of 72
12/17/12 at 5:05pm
No, it's not but there is stuff on LD that still has not shown up on DVD or Blu-Ray. That's why I keep those discs. I've dumped the rest of the 1000 or so I used to own.
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post #46 of 72
12/17/12 at 5:23pm
Some of you guys just LOVE to spread false rumors. Missing arms, redrawn characters, etc. None of that is true. The changes are so minuscule, that talking about them is a complete waste of time. Here, this explains it best, with pictures: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=545028
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post #47 of 72
12/17/12 at 10:53pm
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Some of you guys just LOVE to spread false rumors. Missing arms, redrawn characters, etc. None of that is true. The changes are so minuscule, that talking about them is a complete waste of time. Here, this explains it best, with pictures: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=545028

You do understand that page compares the TV version, NOT the original theatrical release or even the first run CAV laserdisc or VHS releases with the dvd release, right? Not to mention those screen caps are so small, it's tough to understand what all the fuss is about (Baby Herman sticks his middle finger up and gooses the secretary). And there's a few other alterations from the original release as well not noted in that page. Granted it isn't as significant or egregious as Star Wars Ep4, but it is worth noting and discussing.
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post #48 of 72
12/18/12 at 3:16am
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The TV version HAS the finger you can clearly see it and the missing underwear again clearly seen, it is missing the phone number tho
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post #49 of 72
12/18/12 at 11:24am
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their history is a literal whitewash

It's a figurative whitewash.
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post #50 of 72
12/18/12 at 3:10pm
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It's a figurative whitewash.

They literally changed colour and removed colour, they made black characters white. Washing them white...
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post #51 of 72
12/19/12 at 9:29am
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They literally changed colour and removed colour, they made black characters white. Washing them white...

... which makes it a figurative whitewash, unless they used actual whitewash to do it.*


*Hint: they didn't.
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post #52 of 72
12/19/12 at 1:21pm
Yes, it can refer directly to episodes of censorship. It's still, in that usage, a figurative term, not a literal one.
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post #53 of 72
12/20/12 at 5:28pm
The Tom & Jerry BD has several black face jokes in it, yeah WB is 'worse' then Disney at censoring.
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post #54 of 72
3/9/13 at 8:34pm
Amazon page now has this little disclaimer:


Please note: Due to a manufacturing issue, the shipping of this product may be delayed.

I have this on order, but maybe it won't be here next Tuesday after all.
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post #55 of 72
3/10/13 at 6:33am
Interesting... I received an email from Amazon yesterday indicating that my copy had been shipped.confused.gif

Perhaps the manufacturing issue limited the supply.
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post #56 of 72
3/11/13 at 8:53am
You lucked out. Although I pre-orderd this disc several months ago, I got the dreaded "your shipment may be delayed due to manufacturing issues" email from Amazon this morning.
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post #57 of 72
3/11/13 at 10:01am
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You lucked out.
Either that or I'm gonna find out first hand exactly what those manufacturing issues are.wink.gif
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post #58 of 72
3/12/13 at 7:08am
You've got a point there.

I did receive an email from Amazon this morning saying that I will now receive the disc between March 22 and 26. Hope this was just a temporary manufacturing capacity issue, rather than a problem with the first production run of discs.
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post #59 of 72
3/12/13 at 7:41am
I pre-ordered this disc in Dec and Amazon shipped mine yesterday. It should arrive today.
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post #60 of 72
3/12/13 at 9:27am
Here appears to be the likely source of the delay i.e. Disney screwed up the initial run.

DVD is 1.33:1 Full screen
Valiant Files omitted
French and Spanish sub-titles omitted
Pop-up menu issues(?)
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