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post #121 of 755
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

That is very concerning...
One more review of low lumens and I will have to cancel my Pre-order. frown.gif

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post #122 of 755
Hmmm JVC taking a bad step backwards I hope not
post #123 of 755
387 lumens with aperture at 0 does not sound right at all.
I'm over 550 lumens aperture at 12 with 250 lamp hours on my RS45.
I don't doubt Kraine's numbers. I do doubt JVC would ship customers anything that bad.
post #124 of 755
Something does not sound right with Kraine's last two reviews. In the Sony HW50ES review he got lumens that sounded too good to be true and the JVC has lumens that are so bad that I find it hard to believe. Two other reviewers did not get numbers near as high for the HW50ES. Not saying that Kraine did something wrong, but color me skeptical on the reported lumen numbers for both of these projectors.
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post #125 of 755
Did Cine4 measure any of the newer JVC's lumens yet?
post #126 of 755
This looks like DejaVu from 2 years ago with the RS50/60. Put me in the concerned camp as well. Even more curious to see the upcoming other reports now to find out if this is a fluke, or a repeat of 2 years ago.
post #127 of 755
Yeah somethings clearly wrong. I have the RS45 clamped all the way down on low lamp, when watching fringe last night my eyes hurt in some of the scenes from the brightness. This is on a 120" screen.
Kraine needs a new sample.
post #128 of 755
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

I hope the longer lasting slower dimming lamp is not because it's been pre-dimmed.....rolleyes.gifeek.gif

Lol.....I got a good laugh out of that. smile.gif

Mike
post #129 of 755
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

Hmmm JVC taking a bad step backwards I hope not

I can't remember the last time they took one forward. biggrin.gif
post #130 of 755
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

387 lumens with aperture at 0 does not sound right at all.
I'm over 550 lumens aperture at 12 with 250 lamp hours on my RS45.
I don't doubt Kraine's numbers. I do doubt JVC would ship customers anything that bad.

Kraine should discuss his findings with JVC since this is a pre-production sample. The current X70/RS55 would be brighter if that was the true lumen output upon final release.

I'm reserving judgement until Cine4home does his deep dive on models that are closer to prod. He didn't mention this in his preview.

If it was actually this dim, I think folks at Cedia would have picked up on it.
post #131 of 755
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Kraine should discuss his findings with JVC since this is a pre-production sample. The current X70/RS55 would be brighter if that was the true lumen output upon final release.
I'm reserving judgement until Cine4home does his deep dive on models that are closer to prod.
If it was actually this dim, I think folks at Cedia would have picked up on it. The 3D would have been difficult to see.

+ 1. Let's not jump the gun yet to declare this is the RS40/50/60 again.
post #132 of 755
http://www.avforums.com/forums/projectors/1678363-hands-exclusive-jvc-launch-dla-x35-x55-x75-x95-d-ila-3d-projectors.html

JVC product engineers were standing right there with them, that would have been the time to say something if their pre-prod units were noticeable dimmer than the current R45/55.
post #133 of 755
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Originally Posted by SOWK

That is very concerning...
One more review of low lumens and I will have to cancel my Pre-order.

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+1

Ruh Roh .... no kidding ..... not again....the 50 is what it would be replacing for me eek.gif
post #134 of 755
Sounds like JVC fan boys are starting to get worried
post #135 of 755
I agree no one should jump the gun. That said not many wanted to believe the RS50 numbers either. I doubt Kraines numbers are typical results.
What's worrisome is it may be that Kraine has a defective unit and if so then I wonder what's the root cause and can it happen again.
post #136 of 755
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Keep in mind that it was a pre-serie model (X55) but I'm not surprise with this low level of brightness it remind me some previous JVC models (X7) that I had test by the past.
post #137 of 755
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Something does not sound right with Kraine's last two reviews. In the Sony HW50ES review he got lumens that sounded too good to be true and the JVC has lumens that are so bad that I find it hard to believe. Two other reviewers did not get numbers near as high for the HW50ES. Not saying that Kraine did something wrong, but color me skeptical on the reported lumen numbers for both of these projectors.

Don't shoot the messenger wink.gif
post #138 of 755
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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post

Yeah somethings clearly wrong. I have the RS45 clamped all the way down on low lamp, when watching fringe last night my eyes hurt in some of the scenes from the brightness. This is on a 120" screen.
Kraine needs a new sample.

We are dealing with a new lamp/power supply though so we really dont know what to expect exactly. IF these numbers turn out to be "normal" for these lamps, this will be an easy jump ship from my pre-order. I certainly dont want to loose any significant amount of light moving from my 45. frown.gif
post #139 of 755
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

This looks like DejaVu from 2 years ago with the RS50/60. Put me in the concerned camp as well. Even more curious to see the upcoming other reports now to find out if this is a fluke, or a repeat of 2 years ago.

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Kraine should discuss his findings with JVC since this is a pre-production sample. The current X70/RS55 would be brighter if that was the true lumen output upon final release.
I'm reserving judgement until Cine4home does his deep dive on models that are closer to prod. He didn't mention this in his preview.
If it was actually this dim, I think folks at Cedia would have picked up on it.

The new JVC's will be as bright or slightly brighter in 2D than last years models. 3D should definitely be brighter than last year's models. If the JVC's were as dim as Kraine is reporting then the JVC projectors would not have been able to light up the screens at CEDIA. It means the show floor projector would have only had 14.7 2D Foot Lamberts (126" 1.78 ST130). The screens at the off site venue were even larger. The JVC's would not have been able to get above 13FL with those size and gain screens. I can tell you the images were every bit as bright if not brighter than last year. The off site venue used the same size and same gain screens as last year.
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post #140 of 755
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Don't shoot the messenger wink.gif

Not shooting the messenger. Just saying something is not right. if lumen output was this low, the JVC's would not have been able to light up the screens at CEDIA. What size and gain screens were used with the JVC's at the German show? Run the numbers and calculate what max Foot Lamberts based on your max calibrated lumens and see if that even comes close to what you saw at the show. it does not come close to what I saw at CEDIA.
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post #141 of 755
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I can only speak about the measures I have taken on the X55 that was with me Thursday under the conditions that I have describe, there is no hidden facts or reasons behind it, I report the measures after calibration.
post #142 of 755
Kraine - I'm guessing JVC has provided this to you for review? I'd share the information with them and see what they have to say in return.
post #143 of 755
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I won't write a review this time because it's a pre-serie model, I will wait the definitive version like the 2 hw50es I have actually at home.
post #144 of 755
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I can only speak about the measures I have taken on the X55 that was with me Thursday under the conditions that I have describe, there is no hidden facts or reasons behind it, I report the measures after calibration.

No problem, it just does not match up with what I saw at CEDIA, nor does it match up with the lumen output the engineers were talking about at CEDIA. If it was just this one projector, I would chalk it up to a bad sample. When you also look at the lumen numbers that you got for the Sony HW50ES, then it makes me wonder. Those readings were just as strange, but in the oposite direction. When have you ever gotten more calibrated lumens out of a projector (1,704) than the manufacturer lists as max lumens for a projector (1,700)? I don't recall that ever happening.
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post #145 of 755
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I'm guessing that you are able to check the HW50ES brightness in your shop, it's easy to check. I have 2 models at home for the reviews and one more to come next week (my own wink.gif). The HW50ES also need a very few correction to reach 6500k
post #146 of 755
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

I'm guessing that you are able to check the HW50ES brightness in your shop, it's easy to check. I have 2 models at home for the reviews and one more to come next week (my own wink.gif). The HW50ES also need a very few correction to reach 6500k

Sony distribution will not have them until 10/20 and 10/22. Where we pull from (NJ) it will be 10/22. While I would love for the Sony to have those lumen numbers, I just think people should be careful with their expectations. Don't want an unhappy customer because they purchased an HW50ES and a 160" wide (1.0 gain) AT screen, expecting it to light it up well. Then a month down the road once they have everything setup, find that their image is too dim. Does not make for happy customers when that happens. smile.gif
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post #147 of 755
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I know a couple of french happy new owners and early adopters of the HW50ES wich are really happy with the high brightness (and not only this wink.gif) of the SONY so I'm not really worried about my evaluation of this new projector.
post #148 of 755
Believe me, being a Sony dealer, I am not complaining about the lumens at all. The Sony HW30 was a well rounded projector that received a few complaints from owners. Sony addressed those complaints and have made one very nice projector. Expect it to be a big seller this year. I love its best mode lumens, improved contrast and improved sharpness. Shame it does not have lens memory. smile.gif
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post #149 of 755
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I can't remember the last time they took one forward. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by rpconrad View Post

Sounds like JVC fan boys are starting to get worried
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Don't shoot the messenger wink.gif
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post #150 of 755


The past 24 hours... not so much. I'm not really worried and quite frankly don't put a lot of credence in a pre-prod unit (especially when people I trust who actually saw these in person say we are going to be very happy with these units).

He had to have gotten a bad unit (as Mike's logic is sound re: Cedia units).

Let's all just all relax, light up a fatty and wait for Ekke's review (hopefully we'll get those pics showing his unit in a million pieces!). biggrin.gif
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