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how are everyone's bulbs hanging on? i've been so busy the last 3 months that i don't think i've put more than 50 hours on mine since i opened the box sadly...

am curious how everyone's lamps are keeping up in terms or lumens and/or lux versus when it was brand new.

thanks,
rukus
post #722 of 795
Just ordered a JVC RS4810 & Darbee from Mike. Can't wait to see this beauty in action in my new theater room! Thanks for your help Mike!

Got new black carpet installed yesterday & the seating moved in. cool.gif


post #723 of 795
Nice theater! Great comfy seating too.
post #724 of 795
Hey Jim Cutter. What are you doing to kill the light coming through those big windows?
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Originally Posted by MichAVdude View Post

Hey Jim Cutter. What are you doing to kill the light coming through those big windows?

I will be building some frames to fit inside the window covered with a room darkening material. My wife is then covering the windows with curtains that will fit the dark colors of the room. smile.gif
post #726 of 795
That sounds great. How do you plan on keeping the wooden frames in place? I've got four windows and two sliding glass doors in my family room. We would like to cover all the windows with fabric and be able to remove the covering and let in light when we're not using the projector. Having trouble figuring out what to do.

Just purchased my first ever projector (JVC RS4810) biggrin.gif and would like a very dark room.
post #727 of 795
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Originally Posted by MichAVdude View Post

That sounds great. How do you plan on keeping the wooden frames in place? I've got four windows and two sliding glass doors in my family room. We would like to cover all the windows with fabric and be able to remove the covering and let in light when we're not using the projector. Having trouble figuring out what to do.

Just purchased my first ever projector (JVC RS4810) biggrin.gif and would like a very dark room.

I installed old fashioned blackout window shades. Works great. Use chain roller for lowering/raising.
post #728 of 795
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

Just ordered a JVC RS4810 & Darbee from Mike. Can't wait to see this beauty in action in my new theater room! Thanks for your help Mike!

Got new black carpet installed yesterday & the seating moved in. cool.gif



You are welcome. Enjoy your projector with Darbee. smile.gif Let us know what you think of the two together. I think it is a great pairing.
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post #729 of 795
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Originally Posted by rukus29 View Post

how are everyone's bulbs hanging on? i've been so busy the last 3 months that i don't think i've put more than 50 hours on mine since i opened the box sadly...

am curious how everyone's lamps are keeping up in terms or lumens and/or lux versus when it was brand new.

thanks,
rukus


Here's a thread for it. Seems to be a winner of a lamp design. Never seen anything close to the way mine has retained its simple center lux readings since new.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461758/props-and-simple-lux-readings-for-2013-jvc-lamps
post #730 of 795
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Originally Posted by MichAVdude View Post

That sounds great. How do you plan on keeping the wooden frames in place? I've got four windows and two sliding glass doors in my family room. We would like to cover all the windows with fabric and be able to remove the covering and let in light when we're not using the projector. Having trouble figuring out what to do.

Just purchased my first ever projector (JVC RS4810) biggrin.gif and would like a very dark room.

I was going to build them & put a pull tab on them to remove them if needed. I don't ever plan on using the room for anything but movies so it will just feel like a basement TR. smile.gif The frame will just sit in with friction in the window opening. I have room darkening blinds in another room but some light can still get around them so this will block out 100% of the light & help keep the room cooler during the summer.
post #731 of 795
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

You are welcome. Enjoy your projector with Darbee. smile.gif Let us know what you think of the two together. I think it is a great pairing.

Just received them today, Mike! Can't wait to get them up and running. biggrin.gif



post #732 of 795
Yes, I just tortured Mike with a million questions. While he was trying to enjoy his Florida vacation no less eek.gif

He finally got me set up with the RS4810, Chief mount, and 120" 2.35:1 screen.

I've been reading all the threads I can find about blacking out windows, but there just doesn't seem to be a common answer. I like your idea about the removable frame. I'm sure I could build one.

@ JackB: I like your idea of the blinds, but doesn't a bit of light spill out around the edges? I've been reading about guys who do so much to avoid light spill from their screens. All that trouble to remove every ounce of extra light in the room. I may have to wait a bit to do all that "extra" stuff. But for now, I'd like to remove all outside light (if possible).
post #733 of 795
guys - how is the 3D performance on this 4810? Do you see any annoying ghosting/ crosstalk when watching 3D? If yes, how bad is it? Have you compared with any other PJ

thanks - looking for help to close this.
post #734 of 795
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Originally Posted by MichAVdude View Post

Yes, I just tortured Mike with a million questions. While he was trying to enjoy his Florida vacation no less eek.gif

He finally got me set up with the RS4810, Chief mount, and 120" 2.35:1 screen.

I've been reading all the threads I can find about blacking out windows, but there just doesn't seem to be a common answer. I like your idea about the removable frame. I'm sure I could build one.

@ JackB: I like your idea of the blinds, but doesn't a bit of light spill out around the edges? I've been reading about guys who do so much to avoid light spill from their screens. All that trouble to remove every ounce of extra light in the room. I may have to wait a bit to do all that "extra" stuff. But for now, I'd like to remove all outside light (if possible).

Light spill is a bit of a problem but not enough to spoil the picture. I do use square u shaped slots on the sides running top to bottom of the opening. The shade edge goes down inside the slot and so the light from the sides is nil. These are aluminum and found at Home Depot. Spray paint them the color of the sill they are attached to.
post #735 of 795
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Originally Posted by anm View Post

guys - how is the 3D performance on this 4810? Do you see any annoying ghosting/ crosstalk when watching 3D? If yes, how bad is it? Have you compared with any other PJ

thanks - looking for help to close this.

I just got my RS4810 going last week & set up 3D tonight for the first time. I hate 3D in the theater but I was actually enjoying 3D on the RS4810. I don't have any other 3D experience to compare it too but my wife, daughters & I all liked what we saw tonight! biggrin.gif
post #736 of 795
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Originally Posted by Jim Cutter View Post

I just got my RS4810 going last week & set up 3D tonight for the first time. I hate 3D in the theater but I was actually enjoying 3D on the RS4810. I don't have any other 3D experience to compare it too but my wife, daughters & I all liked what we saw tonight! biggrin.gif

thanks! that's reassuring. 3D is mostly for watching with family and friends. And if they are happy, I'd be happy too smile.gif
post #737 of 795
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Originally Posted by rukus29 View Post

it is purely an effect of how you set the three controls in combination. straight from a JVC engineer who was helping me and Mike determine if there was something wrong with my PJ (turns out i dont think there is, just most of the effects are due to software enhancements rather than actually eshifting the image): "The 4K Profile choices are simply preset combinations of Enchance/Dynamic Contrast/Smoothing settings."

so if one profile seems soft to you, it just means you prefer a different combination of the 3 mpc controls. play around with them.

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rukus29... That is just not true.

Set all to 50,50,50 and switch between them. There are drastic differences.

Also anyone that is getting e-shift for the first time... You must turn off e-shift while checking convergence and focus. E-shift up close looks very blurry, and you will think there is something wrong with your projector.


If those are the 3 different (types) adjustments in the mpc. When you have all 'modes' set at the default 50/50/50. Then go from each mode (film, high resolutions, hd, etc.) back and forth, I see the difference between each one... So does that mean, that even though there all set at 50/50/50, there actually at other numbers preset in each 'mode' (to begin with).

Then in each 'mode' you can adjust the 3 different types (enhance/contrast/smoothing) to your liking...

Does anyone have experimented settings that they think are the sweet spot (for them...). That I can try like as if it was another default. Example the 35/20/20 & what mode (that someone else had).

Thanks, eh.
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Hey Jim Cutter. I'm interested in watching a 3-D movie or two with my 4810. What glasses did you go with? And where do you get that emitter? Thanks!
post #740 of 795
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Does anyone have experimented settings that they think are the sweet spot (for them...).

I use "Off" and Darbee at around 45%
post #741 of 795
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Originally Posted by Jedi View Post

I use "Off" and Darbee at around 45%

I just keeped everything @50 for now...

When you focus the lens are you suppose to focus it so it focuses the letters so there 'focused' or so their straighter edges (which is a hair in either direction of 'focused'...).

When you zoom out to 'fit screen' for scope movies & to make 16-9 larger, does it affect pq or focus.
post #742 of 795
Just a footnote that the softness slider doesn't do anything in certain modes. For example in Film mode, softness does have an effect, but in High Definition it does nothing.
post #743 of 795
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Just a footnote that the softness slider doesn't do anything in certain modes. For example in Film mode, softness does have an effect, but in High Definition it does nothing.

Does it then mess anything else up at all, having it on on cinema mode (a mode where it doesnt make a difference).

Is there any better pq on the screen, if it not zoomed out as much (regardless of source)...

Thanks, eh.
post #744 of 795
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Does it then mess anything else up at all, having it on on cinema mode (a mode where it doesnt make a difference).

Is there any better pq on the screen, if it not zoomed out as much (regardless of source)...

Thanks, eh.

Just to be clear I was referring to the MPC modes and not the picture presets. So in MPC mode film, the softness slider does something, and in MPC mode High Definition, it does nothing at all. The picture preset such as Film, or Cinema has no bearing on the effect of MPC.

The e-shift 1 did not have the softness functionality at all. It did have a combination of edge and contrast enhancement but only with limited presets of 0,1,2,3. E-shift 2 added this softness parameter. I have played around with it and its effect is extremely subtle. It seems to focus on "noise" in out of focus parts of the scene that could be distracting from the very things you want your eyes to be drawn to. I can see the effect on a scene as I slide it up and down but I am not convinced I am that "aware" of it while watching a scene through. Interesting concept though!

I am not sure I understood your question about zooming and picture quality. Do you mean if you are watching with a smaller screen size, can you appreciate the effects of e-shift as much? I think that partly depends on your seating distance and your eyesight. For me the effects of e-shift are very obvious even on my 80" screen sitting 9 feet away. It does something a Darbee alone cannot do which I know Zombie has referred to a few times. I describe it as increasing the dynamic range of the image. Of course this must be done by squashing the top shades of grey/white together, but on my own tests, it seems to automatically "back-off" if there is a risk of clipping highlights. To put it another way, I find that you can close the aperture down further (thereby increasing on/off contrast) with e-shift on because of the perceived increase in dynamic range. I find with e-shift on, that 10ftL is more than sufficient. But if e-shift is off, I prefer to increase that to 12ftL.
post #745 of 795
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Just to be clear I was referring to the MPC modes and not the picture presets. So in MPC mode film, the softness slider does something, and in MPC mode High Definition, it does nothing at all. The picture preset such as Film, or Cinema has no bearing on the effect of MPC.

The e-shift 1 did not have the softness functionality at all. It did have a combination of edge and contrast enhancement but only with limited presets of 0,1,2,3. E-shift 2 added this softness parameter. I have played around with it and its effect is extremely subtle. It seems to focus on "noise" in out of focus parts of the scene that could be distracting from the very things you want your eyes to be drawn to. I can see the effect on a scene as I slide it up and down but I am not convinced I am that "aware" of it while watching a scene through. Interesting concept though!

I am not sure I understood your question about zooming and picture quality. Do you mean if you are watching with a smaller screen size, can you appreciate the effects of e-shift as much? I think that partly depends on your seating distance and your eyesight. For me the effects of e-shift are very obvious even on my 80" screen sitting 9 feet away. It does something a Darbee alone cannot do which I know Zombie has referred to a few times. I describe it as increasing the dynamic range of the image. Of course this must be done by squashing the top shades of grey/white together, but on my own tests, it seems to automatically "back-off" if there is a risk of clipping highlights. To put it another way, I find that you can close the aperture down further (thereby increasing on/off contrast) with e-shift on because of the perceived increase in dynamic range. I find with e-shift on, that 10ftL is more than sufficient. But if e-shift is off, I prefer to increase that to 12ftL.

Yea, I knew what you meant (in mpc mode). I was asking about just zooming in general. This is my first projector setup.

What do you have your mpc # at. Some poeple are saying film-20-20-20.
post #746 of 795
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Originally Posted by MichAVdude View Post

Hey Jim Cutter. I'm interested in watching a 3-D movie or two with my 4810. What glasses did you go with? And where do you get that emitter? Thanks!

I bought a bunch of the Sharp SSG-4100 3D glasses for only $17 each at the time. They are a little higher now but the newer SSG-5100 are only $19 each on Amazon right now. They work great & everyone liked how they felt, even over glasses. cool.gif
post #747 of 795
that's an amazing piece of info you shared! will these or similar work for benq w7000 which is dlp link?
post #748 of 795
Jim, Thanks for the info. You must have meant "Samsung" not "Sharp", as that is what came up when I searched Amazon.

I would have been very worried about their compatibility with the JVC since most of the reviewers were actually using the glasses for Samsung televisions. But if they work for us, then I'm going to get a few pair.

Thanks again!
post #749 of 795
Jim! One more thing. I went to purchase the 3-D emitter, but the glasses don't say whether they're RF or IR. Which emitter are you using?

Thanks! biggrin.gif
post #750 of 795
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Originally Posted by MichAVdude View Post

Jim! One more thing. I went to purchase the 3-D emitter, but the glasses don't say whether they're RF or IR. Which emitter are you using?

Thanks! biggrin.gif

I have the JVC RF emitter.
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