New JVC DLA-X75R/DLA-RS56 $7,999 projector with 3D RF glasses and E-shift CEDIA 2012 - Page 5

Isn't this the lamp for the older X70/RS55 model? If so then it won't be any use to X75/RS56 owners as the lamp is different (and the power supply) on the newer models and shouldn't be swopped.

Hey guys..... can anybody tell me if the three MPC controls ARE eShift2, collectively?

eshift2 is what JVC calls MPC on the remote and in the menus. In the RS56 there are 6 settings:

- Film
- High Resolution
- HD
- SD
- Dynamic
- Off

The descriptions of the settings are somewhat meaningless/useless. I use film. Some of the others really (IMHO) make a mess with edge enhancement and similar noise.

Each has 3 fine tuning controls:

- Enhance (sharpness)
- Dynamic Contrast (contrast boost)
- Smoothing (filtering)

I have the 3 fine tuning controls turned down to 0 when using film, otherwise I find it adds too much noise/edge enhancement.

Kal

I am new here. Would like to buy JVC projector for my home theater. Just wonder the difference between JVC DLA-RS56 and X75? Seems they have same spec....Any real / setting difference?

Kal, thank you for that breakdown. So, turning all 3 MPC options to "0" essentially turns most eShift2 processing off, eh? Or do all settings at "0" still result in an eShift1 effect, without the fine-tuning.

No performance differences. The RS56 has a gold ring around the lens, as opposed to the black ring on the x75. Also, I believe one model has an additional year warranty.
Edited by BrolicBeast - 1/16/13 at 3:36am

The 3 options do not turn eshift2 off or alter the shifting at all. They alter the the amount of pixel processing done (sharpning / smoothing / contrast enhancement). I have no idea if setting all to 0 makes it look like eshift1 having not spent much time with earlier JVC models.

The RS56 and the X75 are the same projector sold through different channels (X75 is consumer market, RS56 is pro market). Warranty may be different too as stated. In the past consumer had 3 year, pro had 2.

Kal

Took the plunge and bought Panasonic 3D glasses. They do work.
Model TY-ER3D4MU.

Didn't really notice any noticeable difference between Panasonic and JVC glasses and the price difference - $179 vs $59 is staggering.

Just to make sure they do not blow up halfway through the movie will post an update once I actually finish watching a 3D movie, however this may be a while (probably when Wreck-It Ralph is released on Blu-Ray).

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Are you using the "official" JVC RF emitter or something else?

VERY cool these 3d glasses work with the new JVCs. These are the most comfortable 3d glasses I have experienced yet. We just bought a bunch of these for a newly installed Panasonic VT50 65" flat panel for a family member and they are great.

Just a heads up, we price matched these at Best Buy with the Sears price of $29.97 and bought 6 pair total. That is a steal for 3d glasses in general, especially ones that are this comfortable. That is literally 1/6 (!!!!!) the price of the JVC glasses! JVC should really reconsider what they are selling their glasses for.


http://www.sears.com/panasonic-ty-er3d4mu-3d-active-shutter-glasses/p-05726893000P?prdNo=10&blockNo=60&blockType=G60

Yeah......Amazon.ca has them on sale for $87.00 pr from $99.00 gotta love Canadian pricing.

Yes, I am using the official JVC RF emitter.

I have 4-JVC glasses and RF emitter. I would like to try the Panasonic glasses to see if there is any difference...maybe take a few calibration readings through both glasses.
Edited by RickS - 1/17/13 at 8:45pm

So I’ve discovered that the best way to see eShift2 operating “in the raw” is to send the projector a computer signal. The pixel shifting is so subtle, you find yourself asking: why is it blurry? Now, another question for the gurus—is there a way to turn eShift2 off? I’ll want to do that when I’m on my computer, but I definitely want (and need, at my viewing distance) eShift2 to be on for normal viewing. I found myself turning all three MPC levels to “0” as suggested by a number of folks in this thread.

Kal answered it in post #123....
OFF is the way to turn Off the 4K mode.....Ie, turn eshift2 Off.

Hmmm, Looks like I was focused on whether the MPC at "0" turned it off and completely missed Kal's additional info of how to actually turn it off.....thanks for pointing that out!

I'll just point out that the 3 MPC sliders are active even in the Off Mode....

I'm looking to replace an old Sony projector (8 years old). I'm trying to do a cost vs. performance analysis of the RS48 / RS56 - any recommendations?

I've demoed both and love the RS56 but it would really be pushing the budget.

Do any of the more experienced JVC projector users (Kris) have an opinion?

You can't apply scientific things like a "cost vs. performance analysis" on subjective things like image quality. Does the RS56 have the potential of better image quality in a perfect room? Yes. Is it worth it the extra money? Only you can answer that. Nobody else can do that for you.

Demo both (in a room similar to yours in terms of light reflection if you can), look at the cost incremental and decide for yourself if it's worth it. Wtih the higher end models having no light bounce on the walls/floor/ceiling immediately adjascent to the projector will help greatly. The higher end the projector in this lineup, the more difference it will make. There's really no point in an RS56 or RS66 is a family room with white walls and light leakage. In fact, even the RS46/4810 will suffer.

Kal
Edited by kal - 1/22/13 at 9:03am

Tested Samsung's Samsung SSG-4100GB glasses which also work. Not the most comfortable but heck they are $18.78 on Amazon.

I think I will buy a few of those as "overflow" glasses in case I get a bunch of people over - since I am certainly not buying a bunch of $180 glasses "just in case".

We watched a couple of 3-D movies last weekend and really enjoyed it. This is the first time on a larger screen with a projector....I was very impressed. We are using the JVC emitter and 4 sets of glasses. We went direct from OPPO BDP-105 HDMI 1 into the X75 and HDMI 2 to the Denon 5308 for HD audio.

Can you try the Samsung glasses as well?

I may be able to try out the Samsung 3-D glasses. Is the RF frequency Bluetooth?

I am not sure.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/SSG-4100GB/ZA

Of note, just watched Dredd 3D (off topic - I think this is a vastly underrated movie) using default 3D present. I was using the Samsung glasses, gave the JVC and the Panasonic to my friends. Everything looked beautiful. Will order 5 more Samsung glasses just in case.

I have 2 Samsung LED 60" 8000 series tv's with multiple set's of 3-D glasses. I will try and sync them to the JVC projector in the coming days.

Well, out of curiosity I pulled out the 3-D glasses that I have from my Samsung 60ES8000 TV's. They all synced with the X75 JVC emitter. The JVC glasses are much brighter and seem to have better depth in the 3-D picture to me. But, for spares they'll be just fine. Here are the model numbers of the glasses that work with the JVC DLA-X75R projector.

Thank you. It's good news. I also have a few different types of RF glasses from Samsung. I'll share the model name if they work.

Many thanks in advance to all of you for any responses to the below.

I own a JVC DLA-HD750. I believe this is two generations ago, meaning that my guess is that the new projectors represent two new "generations" of models since I bought mine three years ago.

If I was to upgrade to the DLA-X55R or 75R or 95RKT -- how much of an improvement would I see in *2D* ? How much of a difference does e-shift2 result in? I know that such an upgrade delivers 3D, but the purpose of my question here is to determine if that is the only change, or whether the latest and greatest also results in an improvement in 2D.

To the extent that there is an improvement, is it in the overal density of the picture, such as moving from SD to HD, or it also in detail, or both?

I know that this is hard to subjectively describe, so here are my six standards to try to define such things:

(1) SO TINY IT IS DEBATABLE -- Is the improvement tiny and, and barely noticeable, even to any of us? So small that we would debate among ourselves whether the improvement is, in fact, real?

(2) SMALL AND VERY SUBTLE -- Or is it a small improvement, that we might see -- those who own these projectors? The type of an improvement that only sustained watching might confirm for any of us, the visual equivalent of a subtle change in sound quality in an amp or speaker cable?

(3) SMALL BUT CLEARLY EVIDENT TO THE OWNERS -- Is the improvement clearly noticeable to any of us, but is nonetheless small enough that our occasional guests, even those who have seen a number of movies on our projects, would not notice?

(4) CLEAR ENOUGH WE IMMEDIATELY SEE IT, BUT GUESTS SEE NO CHANGE -- The next step would be an improvement we would clearly see in the first five minutes of looking at the picture from the new projector, but our guests might not see the difference, and say "it looks the same to me," unless those guests saw the two projectors in quick succession, and only with such a direct comparison would our guests notice the difference?

(5) CHANGE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT EVEN GUESTS SEE A SMALL CHANGE -- Or is a significant improvement that any of us would immediately notice and even our occasional guests would detect and those guests would comment on the improved picture?

(6) CHANGE SO LARGE THAT EVEN GUESTS DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY WITH A WOW! Or, finally, is it such an improvement that it passes the wow! factor?

FINALLY, are there other manufacturers and other projectors for 3D that more clearly also deliver an improvement in 2D compared to what I am used to with the DLA-HD750?

I have seen some very favorable comments about a recent Sony model, but am not clear as to how much of an improvement it might represent and whether it is better than these recent JVC models.
Edited by Emosewa09 - 1/25/13 at 6:54am

I have recently moved from the HD750/RS20 to a X75/RS56 and can make the following comparison comments:
1) The motion is better. On the HD750 the Blu-ray motion judder inherit in 24 frames/sec was more obvious than the X75 (without the CMD setting on)
2) Appreciably brighter. Not by a huge margin but the X75 allows me to use more of the iris than the HD750 did for the same screen size when the bulb was new
3) Better blacks. Like the motion and brightness, this was an incremental improvement and not a night and day difference.
4) MPC/e-shift. Jury is still out on e-shift for me. I sit at 1.2 screen widths and previously couldn't see pixels on the HD750 and when comparing e-shift on & off as the screen blanks for 1 second when switching I can't really tell the difference. I leave it on anyway as in theory it should be improving the picture. For the MPC settings, I find the settings either have no effect on the picture or make the picture too digital. I use a darbee and the change the darbee makes is more pleasing and obvious to me. So I use a little of the MPC settings with e-shift on, along with the darbee

As I have been watching mostly older titles since the changeover that don't have great transfers I have not noticed an overall significant improvement in the picture, although on one title with a good transfer I thought the picture clarity surpassed anything I had seen on the HD750. So in summary from my experience you should see an overall small and incremental improvement. If I had demo'd the X75 alongside my HD750 I probably would not have bought it as the changes are not overly significant however as my HD750 developed the dreaded pink stripe problem I had to upgrade. I have a dedicated light controlled room with dark colors which helps to get the best picture quality, but depending on your room you may see different results to me.

Also FYI I went with the X75 over the X55 as the X55 black level is similar to the HD750 and I wanted to see an incremental improvement in black level in the changeover. With your 6 step rating system I would give the upgrade a 2.5 rating. Guests and wife definitely wouldn't notice but I do (and its definitely not a 'wow' change for me). The added 3D feature may also be a reason to change.
Edited by deandob - 1/25/13 at 1:52pm

A few brief impressions. Just had RS 56 (X75) installed in theater room. Going from RS -35.
Changed from 110" 16:9 Carada BW to 140" 2.40:1 Carada BW Masquarade system. Basically just wider for scope films, same height. So far very impressive. Chad B. to calibrate Tuesday, (I know, too soon), just can't wait. My original plan was to use old projector with anamorphic lens system, but after seeing a demo of the concept on a Sony 95 (I think) I decided to go this route. Chad recommended a new projector based on what he knows of my taste and need for perfection, or as close as I can afford.
Overall brightness has increased, dramatically, to my untrained eye. In low lamp mode the thing puts out plenty of light, I had just replaced lamp on RS-35 and the difference is noticeable. Sharpness is tough to gauge due to brightness increase. Looks better to me after adjusting picture settings in User 1 without NR, and 4K to Film as many have suggested. Wow! Spent Saturday going through the usual discs that I am familiar and already it looks better. Hard to compare when blown up to 2.40:1, but for me the overall impression is staggering from my seat at about 13 ft. Away.
The singlr greatest asset of this unit is its fantastic black level. My old projector was state of the art at $10,000; 3 years ago. Now, however things have gotten darker and brighter, at the same time. Full field black is darker, and as a result, contrast is noticably greater. Life without black bars is heaven. Star Wars (please Disney, remaster them in 4K with original footage now that you own Lucasfilm) looks as close to my theatrical experience as I have yet witnessed. I do not notice drop in light output when zooming. Once your eyes adjust to the size, the effect is what I have always aspired; large film like picture with the resolution to pull it off at home. JVC glasses don't seem to want to work, lucky I bought some Panasonics for $30. 3D initially was, frankly, awful. Took me a bit to figure out that I had to change to separate picture settings. Still not as impressed as I'd hoped to be. After Chad takes care of it, I'll report back. I only watched a bit of Promethius and found it less than I'd hoped. After that, however, tried Avatar, and things got Much better. Not sure why. I will reasses later. The point is that 2D is the reason to have this great projector. Once calibrated I will give more detailed thoughts, but so far, very happy. My theater room is 21' by 16', with black ceiling, walls and no light; so take that into consideration. If you have the area for it, JVC makes a great product. Someday, when 4K is mainstream, then more options at this price point may exist, but