New JVC DLA-X75R/DLA-RS56 $7,999 projector with 3D RF glasses and E-shift CEDIA 2012 - Page 6

Saw my first 3D movie on my X75 last night after a while mucking around with a new HTPC and configurations to get 3D. Wow, I didn't have high expectations given all the negative posts about the JVC's 3D but I was certainly impressed with Hugo. Even though I can see with the slight green/gray tint of the glasses that a separate calibration is needed, I thought the movie looked every bit as good as the JVC in 2D and I couldn't see any hint of ghosting. Turning the brightness to full was plenty bright (150" diag screen) and the only downside was in a couple of scenes there was a slight flicker and scenes with a lot of motion the typical 24Hz motion judder was more evident than on 2D, but nothing significant.

I finally took the plunge and purchased the RS56 - I couldn't be happier.

I'm getting ready to mount it but I need some help. My previous Sony projector did not have lens shift so I had to be very careful in aligning the lens with the top of the screen so that the picture filled the entire screen.

It appears that mounting the RS56 will involve installing the projector and using lens shift to align the picture. Is it possible to mount the projector without having to use lens shift? Maybe I'm missing something.

I wonder if I could get some ideas on how other members have mounted their projectors?

I'm considering this for a home theater room I'll have in a home I will soon start construction on. Any brightness concerns used in a CIH setup with 152" 2.35 screen and using the zoom to move between resolutions? That would put the non-zoomed 16:9 at about 121" diagonal.

I have some minor focus uniformity issues but using or not using lens shift had ZERO effect on it.
I used to have it ceiling mounted, but I am in the process of getting my "projector booth" setup finished - my the back HT room in the basement is adjacent to a large storage room, so I just had a carpenter install a large cabinet into a back wall so I have full access to the projector from the storage room. Incidentally, there is less lens shift with this setup but I did not notice any improvement in picture quality. This is not because of lens shift but because when it was ceiling mounted the projector would shake a little if someone walked upstairs. Also my HT room doubles as guest room and I felt a bit uncomfortable with 40 pound projector hanging over someone's head all night

I also tested the projector aimed directly at the center of the screen without any lens shift - the minor focus non-uniformity was still there, not using lens shift made no real difference.

Also, I think it would be very difficult to position the projector without using the lens shift without compromising how many people you can sit down without heads popping up on the screen.

Just finished mounting my RS56 (got to love it); don't you love my $12 screen? I think the screen has 1.0 gain I'm actually waiting for my 106" Stewart StudioTek 130 G3. My suggestion is to buy the projector first and use a sheet or white wall to determine the screen size that best fits your room. I used all the calibration tools I could find to get a good idea of the screen size I needed, but marking the image on the sheet with painters tape and then measuring that image worked well for me. Thanks guys for all the projector cal advice, can't wait to dial it in.

GREAT suggestion!

Tom

Has anyone seen a X55 and a X75 side by side or A/B? Have to figure out which one, and quickly. The X55 is backordered in Canada right now and need to figure out before they come back in stock. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

I am coming from an HD-950 that caused me major heartburn, so I am sure I will be happy with either, but some more info to help pick would be nice.

Anyone running the RS56 at !52" 2.35 (or close to that) on a non-HP screen? I'm leaning towards going with an acoustically transparent screen.

Well, I can't speak to the X55 but am very happy with the new X75R. I have about 130 hrs on it so far and just did a calibration. I also took down a HD950 for the X75R.....the HD950 was flawless for me. The 3-D movies are better than I expected from the reading here on the forum. I will be doing a Autocal as soon as Calman 5.1 software is updated for the X75/X95 projectors and is one of the reason I purchased the 75 over the 55. We'll see how good my calibration is.

Thanks for the breakdown Awesome to get feedback from someone that came from the exact route I am. I really enjoyed my 950 as well, and would have rode it into the ground and still kept it after upgrading, but had nothing but problems with the OB. Glad to be moving on to a hopefully "problem free" design. I am not too hopped up on 3D, but will be a nice bonus if it is better than expected. Kids will like it I am sure.


I am interested in getting into calibration as well. Was considering getting a EyeOne Display 3 Pro, and possibly an I1 Pro 2, are they supported by Calman5.1? Would love to get a good auto-calibration done then can fiddle around while I learn. There is a ISF calibrator a couple hours away from me, and will give several hours of tutelage with his most expensive package, but being the hands on kinda guy, I would rather spend cash on gear and learn, especially if I can get a auto-cal to work off of

I believe that those meters are supported. I use a Spectracal C-6 meter profiled to a X-rite i1Pro meter. I actually got into calibrating by having Michael TLV from the forum do a couple of calibrations on my HD750 and HD950. He comes to Edmonton from Calgary if he has a few jobs lined up. He was a great teacher(certified ISF/THX instructor) and made getting into it much easier. Great guy! I have been bugging L.A from Spectracal to get the autocal done for the new projectors (X75/X95). It would be nice to sit back and watch it do its thing. I also have the Spectracal DPG-2000 pattern generator which really automate's the process with the software sending ir commands to the pattern generator and displaying all the proper patterns. I even walk away for a while and let it go through sections of the calibration.

Most likely the same fella that i have been referred to I will get my x75 most likely next week, then can make a game plan. Perhaps by then Calman 5.1 is out and I can have all the info I need on hand to pull the trigger. A fella sure can churn through some cash in this hobby. lol

Calman 5.1 is out. It just doesn't have the autocal for the "new" JVC projectors yet. Here is the link to Micheal's site.

I'm not sure what you mean by this comment as it's my understanding that Autocal will work with the X55 as well. I could be wrong.

I do believe that the X95/X75R only allow for auto controls to be accessed and falls under the ISF C3 licensing. If you look here I think the OEM Software is for the X75/X95.

Correct. If you have a Spyder colorimeter, you can use it for auto-calibration.

Just want to mention that the Spyder meter is the only one supported by the OEM software and I will wait for Spectracal to get the Autocal done in their software. This way I won't have to invest in anymore equipment.

Right, the OEM software is only for the X75/X95, but Spectracal's autocal feature (when coupled with CalMAN...they call the feature Direct Display Control) worked for the RS45/RS55/RS65 and X30/X70/X90. It only makes sense that once DDC features are implemented for the 2013 JVC projectors they'll support the entire product line just as they did last year.

Well, I stand corrected. I thought it was only the two because of the licensing that only is on the X75/X95.

I've reluctantly joined the rs-56 club... I say "reluctantly" because I was happy as a pig in s*** with my 4+ year old rs-20 until, at around 3000 hours, it developed the dreaded pink-line issue. I had hoped to keep the rs-20 until something radically new and improved came along (led/laser light source, etc.). But as this pink beast was slightly growing week by week I could no longer live with the zoom needed to hide it so I decided to replace it. At about the same cost as the rs-20 the new rs-56 is in the house (thanks to AVS). So far so good... convergence is nearly spot on (slight fringing up close) and uniformity is good (not perfect) but at least as good as the rs-20. IMO, the black level is about the same and, of course, it is a bit brighter so I assume the contrast is better . I'm using low lamp with about -10 on the iris projecting onto a 120" diagonal 2:35 screen (96" diagonal 16x9) with a panamorph 480 lens and transport.

The only place a step backward was taken with the rs-56 versus the rs-20 is the loudness of the unit... As I always use the "high-altitude" mode (Denver metro area) the rs-56 is quite a bit louder than the rs-20 was in this mode.

I don't think I'll have much use for the 4k feature... IMO it doesn't bring much to the table so I am leaving it off... much happier with what the Darbee does to the picture. Did a quick calibration using chromapure (along with our lumagen radiance XS... grey/gamma by hand with a 125 pt auto color) and a pro calibrated D3 and it didn't need much tweeking at all (grey/gamma were very close and only a very few of the 125 colors were out of the 1.75 dE range). Will do a more thorough calibration once 150+ hours are on the lamp.

Haven't tried 3D yet... heck I don't even have a 3D compliant bluray player (oppo 83) but given I really couldn't care less about it I doubt I'll splurge to pick up the equipment necessary to try it.

My X75 is backorderd. Gah!!! Almost 90 days without a projector!! LOL.

I'm trying to understand the vertical lens shift on the X75.

If I have a 2.35 screen that is 56" high? If using no horzontal shift, how far above the viewing surface can I mount the projector? If I'm reading the chart correctly (80% of image) that means I can put it about 15" above the top of the viewing surface (probably wouldn't want to go to the extreme, so maybe 10-12"). Does this sound right or am I calculating this wrong?

Do you have any before/after graphs available for posting? I'd be interested in seeing how far off yours was and where exactly. (Disclaimer: For curiousity sake only of course - people new to calibration shouldn't assume that all units will track the same way).

Thanks for posting!

Kal

After having lived with Infocus IN76 for the last 7 years, I'm just getting back into researching projectors.

Am I reading this correctly, that with a Spyder meter (or other meters and their software), you can auto-calibrate the projector?

I'm assuming this isn't going to do the same as an ISF professional calibration, but how good a job do these auto calibrations do?

Based on what I know of the Spyder 4 it will be better than off the shelf, but there are much better options. I would go for an actual calibration from a professional personally, but after CALman 5.1 adds the profiles to support auto-calibration and you can use quality meters to do an auto-calibrate, I think you could get close enough that you would be hard pressed to notice the difference between a pro calibration and the results of the auto.

I am pretty sure the route I am going to take is this. Get my X75 and put some hours on the bulb while I collect my meters and other required gear and then have a pro come out that is willing to do some teaching and do the initial cal and put that into one of the user modes. Then after getting the basics, one can begin fooling around with auto calibrations to get an idea of how it is done and work my way to doing the whole thing myself. Really interested in getting it down because of all the displays in my life

Comparison between Sony VW1000 Reality Creation and JVC X75R E-Shift2

The original article is in Japanese and the quality of translation is really bad. But it's still worth to check this.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.avac.co.jp%2Fakihabara_inp%2Finp46.htm&act=url

Automatic calibration featured by such software as ChromaPure and CalMAN when used with a video processor like the Radiance can do 125 point auto-calibration instead of the usual 6 point we're accustomed to.

With the 6 point calibration we're used to we only calibrate the colours at the primary and secondary points which are the most saturated (colourful) points on the outside of the colour gamut triangle and then the very center greyscale point. We make the "assumption" that the millions of points between the two are correct which is usually not the case. Some displays track horribly between the two. There are millions of colours but people are fond of saying that their display is "perfectly" calibrated when they only measured 6 points. Odd.

Long story short: 125 pt does calibration at various levels of saturation between inside this colour gamut triangle so the end result is often that someone doing 125 auto-calibration themselves at home (you click a few buttons and watch) can be a lot more accurate than paying a pro to come in and calibrate the 6 points we're accustomed to.

Calibrating to 6 points takes time to be by hand even for a pro. 125 points is only possible when done automatically. The time requirement would be ridiculous. If you're interested in auto-cal, I'm not sure I'd pay someone to come out to click a few buttons. You can do that yourself.

Kal

Sadly no... as this was a "quick and dirty" calibration with a low hour lamp I didn't bother to save anything... but IIRC the pre calibration measurements indicated (started with user 1, 6500 color temp and standard gamma) that greyscale was a bit green but tracked nicely... gamma was very flat at around 2.25 from 10IRE to about 50IRE then gradually raised (dropped?) to around 2 at 100IRE. The 6 colors all measured within a dE of 3 (all slightly oversaturated). I think I remember about 20 of the 125 colors in the auto calibration portion needing to be corrected as they fell outside the 1.75 dE threshold.

Bear in mind this was with my "pro" Display 3 (as calibrated by chromapure against what meter I have no idea) so not exactly a $20K meter :-) but the end results sure look nice (and this was the same setup used with my RS-20 which also looked great to my eyes). I do have an i1 pro that I might use to train the D3 and see how that differs from the chromapure provided calibration adjustments (but I assume that chromapure used a better meter than the i1 pro so I have yet to bother with that).

Once I hit 150 plus hours I'll reset everything and do a more rigorous calibration and actually save the report :-)

Thanks!
FWIW. It's done against this JETI 1211. Only about half way to $20K. If the Display 3 PRO's fairly new (as it likely is as they haven't been around that long), it should be pretty accurate. Thanks again!

Kal